Joined Aug 2007
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Pomona NY
You're welcome to like whoever you want to like. I have the same option. I like goofballs but not the ones who channel mis-directed anger to lash out at people around whom they feel insecure. This forum has been fun and interesting to be at the last two years without all the ad hominen personal attacks and sycophantic, petty antagonizing of anyone who doesn't agree with the most dominant PS member. In fact nobody was trying to dominate anyone and it got pretty civilized - and that is what brought back so many old-timers who'd got sick of all the hostility and bickering. Both M-Dub and JKD had one thing in common; neither owned a motorcycle or knew ....-all about racing, and both lashed out at anyone who noted how ignorant and completely pointless their posts were. They added nothing to this forum. I don't care who liked those two misanthropic cretins. I have no compulsion to like them because others do.
Two years ago this place was all tumbleweeds after most of the best people here fled this place in disgust over the whole Lord Of The Flies social dynamic. Some interesting and well informed people were run off because those who deemed themselves the alpha-males of PS couldn't stand to have anyone around who knew more or were willing to stand up to their abusiveness. There's a big difference between good natured kidding or taking the piss, and ugly,mean-spirited antagonzing of forum members who espouse a different or unpopular opinion. Whether you agree or disagree with Kropo - you have to admit that he brought a lot of insight to this forum and those of us who stuck it out here after most deserted this place and kept it alive, were enjoying his presence here until the usual suspects came back and .... all over him - rather than engage him in a civil dialog. No sign of Rising Sun either and he posted some of the all-time best stuff that ever appeared on the forum. Barry - who I often disagree with - has been for ages one of the funniest, whackiest guys here, but he's always made things interesting and has never been mean-spirited dispite how overbearing (not to mention boringly repetitive with the tired-... animal jokes) other members are. Zoot was a really smart guy and had an encyclopedic knowledge of racing - which apparently - was too threatening for members who always need to be in the spotlight. People who want to come here to talk about racing shouldn't have to endure some idiotic frat-house hazing in order to be accepted by those who elected themselves the forum elders by virtue of longevity or pure verbosity.
When Rog picked up and took his business elsewhere because he felt PS was too net-nannied - all his cohorts said they'd go with him. And how did that work out? In the interim the folks who were fed up with the abusive atmosphere migrated back and PS started to thrive again. I'd like to see that continue. Most people come here to discuss racing and enjoy the bonhomie. It's only a select few who want to turn this back into the Mean Girls club.
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Joined Aug 2007
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Pomona NY
I got to say... those last two laps made me so HAPPY. That was fun to watch. missed the first few laps so wasn't aware til late in the race that Rossi was not on his usual hard front. The new chassis really seems to be giving him back serious confidence. What happened to Dovi?
I intentionally skipped the post race interviews to avoid the drama. If Marquez only snarks once that's not too bad. We'll see whether the Spanish media bait him into saying something stupid. It was just two weeks ago that he tried to blame his lack of results on Stoner.
I'd be surprised if he doesn't elaborate when he's speaking in his native tongue.
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Hello everybody
hm, that moment on the final turn makes me remember the battle between checa vs ukawa @assen 2002. it's Yamaha vs Honda too.
the trajectory of the bike also quite similar compare to vale vs marc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMUiClqXeJs @46:10
nice battle though, yay \^o^/
Hello everybody
hm, that moment on the final turn makes me remember the battle between checa vs ukawa @assen 2002. it's Yamaha vs Honda too.
the trajectory of the bike also quite similar compare to vale vs marc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMUiClqXeJs @46:10
nice battle though, yay \^o^/
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Rossi = 1 win = mega empolgation, mega audience, super fun race.
Lorenzo = 1 win = crap boring "race" as hell; 4 wins in steak = f*ck that .... I'll stop watching this crap now.
Both are winning riders but what a difference some story makes.
I hate Rossi but mark my words: the day Rossi quits MotoGP will be the day MotoGP will quit itself from earth.
Lorenzo = 1 win = crap boring "race" as hell; 4 wins in steak = f*ck that .... I'll stop watching this crap now.
Both are winning riders but what a difference some story makes.
I hate Rossi but mark my words: the day Rossi quits MotoGP will be the day MotoGP will quit itself from earth.
Joined Sep 2009
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Austin, Tx. USA
epic race today.
Rossi put his fastest effort in on the penultimate lap. He didn't seem to make a mistake on the last lap so that must have been a scorcher from Marquez to close up .5 seconds.
Marcs do or die mentality is now doubled (or more) since he'll be going all out to take wins since his championship is all but done which will be pretty hairy for other racers.
Rossi put his fastest effort in on the penultimate lap. He didn't seem to make a mistake on the last lap so that must have been a scorcher from Marquez to close up .5 seconds.
Marcs do or die mentality is now doubled (or more) since he'll be going all out to take wins since his championship is all but done which will be pretty hairy for other racers.
The other riders will adapt. Marquez actually showed a bit of maturity today. He followed Rossi around for 2/3 race distance, and protected his tires before making a move.
The other riders will learn eventually. If they don't learn, Dorna will instruct the tire manufacturers to make them learn.
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Chertsey, Surrey, UK
Joined Aug 2007
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Pomona NY
I liked how Rossi was totally unfazed by the last minute kamikaze move. His being totally unruffled by it - I'd like to imagine - must have pissed off MM even more than not getting the top spot on the podium. Rossi pretty much laughed him off in Parc Ferme.
Joined Aug 2007
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Pomona NY
A. I dunno... I was impressed at how unruffled he was. MM looked more bent out of shape than the guy he hit. I'd say it takes a lot to be that cool when being slammed into at that speed.
B. Agree.
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Joined Aug 2009
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Vancouver
Joined Oct 2006
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Your Mom's House
There is no way Rossi hadn't calculated that move beforehand, and it's not the first time he used this tactic knowing Marquez would dive bomb, Laguna Seca Corkscrew.
Agree, both of them (and most spectators) believe using a punting move on the last turn is acceptable to win, and both have employed the tactic successfully.
Marquez move today is equally as dirty as Rossi has used. Except this time Rossi had already worked out the countermeasure in advance.
It was an exciting race, I just wish they both would have deserving crashed so that people would realize what might happen, but as luck will have it, I don't think that lesson will ever be realized as long as they miraculously continue to get away with it.
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Joined Apr 2015
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NJ
I know Rossi's track record is what it is when it comes to using contact to win on the final lap of a race, but I question whether Rossi purposely put himself into that position.
Given Marc nearly torpedoing a number of riders in FP, and then J-Lo two weeks ago, you have to be damn sure Marc isn't going to just plow straight through. I'm not entirely sure if it's a risk worth taking because then that would have put J-Lo up on points in the title battle, and there's simply no upside to it.
Watching the overhead camera angle from the helicopter, all I see is Marc trying to torpedo Rossi right out of the race, he was carrying far too much speed into the corner, and wasn't even on the racing line. If you remove Rossi from the picture, MM would have missed the apex completely, ran wide, then lost even more speed taking the second corner to come out onto the main straight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=10&v=umxpugzctsw
Rossi covers, then moves back to the left to take the corner. I'm sure he was aware of MurderMac probably coming in hot, but I don't know. It's such a huge risk, and as mentioned, he needed the points big time.
Joined Oct 2006
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Your Mom's House
"Kamikaze move"? Wait wait, wait, you said he had "evolved" (laughably sandwiched between two crashes) has the evolutionary period reduced again from 'right now' to 'maybe later'?
Of course Rossi was unfazed by it, he won. Perhaps had he gone cartwheel in off or hit the wall going into the straight he might have a different facial expression (and his fans calling for blood). What was Rossi going to say? Hey, it's not cool to punt riders into the last turn? That certainly would have made Sete smile.
Kesh, the forum was "civil" because there were no civilians left in the ghost town that the forum became. There was Pov and Migs circle jerk, which i guess was safe enough for Krops to return. The old timers did NOT come back because it was "civil", we're did u get this idea?
Joined May 2008
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Southern Aridzona - Hell's doorstep.
Yea. VR stood up slightly the moment they touched. I think he was waiting for a crazy Mad Bomber attack and had his reply ready to go.
Fair enough. As played, MM barely made the corner. Flossi would have wound up in the weeds anyway had he tried to make the corner.
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Joined Mar 2006
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US
You're right that The Doctor's composure is well beyond that of most humans. However I think the ruffling also had something to do with the result. I bet Marquez would have been a cool customer had he won. Rossi might not have been as happy.
Glad to sniff around here again.
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