Assen TT - Rnd 8 2015 - SPOILERS

Keshav said:

For Dorna.... Rossi is seat-selling gold.

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You forgot, "for anyone who has been watching MGP for ten years or more". For the under-twenties he's just the old guy who can ride with MM and J-Lo. And future butts in the seat are not gonna depend on an anachronism.

So Mick, tell me, is MotoGP going to just kill off their golden goose now WHILE HE IS STILL PRINTING MONEY (and leading the championship) to fulfill your desire of a 10-15 year plan with a younger rider?

littlesparrows said:

Are you dissing bill o'reilly? What's he have to do with motogp. Come on mick - the spin stops here.

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You somehow missed Jum's decidedly O'Reilly debating style... shame, shame, shame, shame, shame... [bell rings].

JPSLotus said:

So Mick, tell me, is MotoGP going to just kill off their golden goose now WHILE HE IS STILL PRINTING MONEY (and leading the championship) to fulfill your desire of a 10-15 year plan with a younger rider?

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No Hannity, we're talking about the "future". Difficult to grasp as climate change...

Mick D said:

You forgot, "for anyone who has been watching MGP for ten years or more". For the under-twenties he's just the old guy who can ride with MM and J-Lo. And future butts in the seat are not gonna depend on an anachronism.

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What the .... is this ....?

The Rossi boppers aren't just fans who've been watching for 10 or more years. They encompass old and young.

...., I'm astounded at the ignorance on display here.

Fans old and young LOVE the idea of an older player/rider/driver still competing. It's a great story. I'm sure there are no golf fans here, but Tom Watson nearly won the British Open at 59 years old in 2009, and I don't know anyone who wasn't routing for him to pull it off. He fell short by a stroke, but people love the old man "underdog" story because it's the equivalent of giving a middle finger to Father Time and saying we're going to do this MY way.

You underestimate how much people love this .....

Mick D said:

No Hannity, we're talking about the "future". Difficult to grasp as climate change...

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Ok Brian Williams.

Maybe you can make up some more incorrect .....

Mick D said:

You somehow missed Jum's decidedly O'Reilly debating style... shame, shame, shame, shame, shame... [bell rings].

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eUFY8Zw0Bag

JPSLotus said:

Ok Brian Williams.



Maybe you can make up some more incorrect .....

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Omg! Hahahahahahha I lost it!!!

Mick D said:

divine = holy
Devine = my last name...

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Thank u Mr. Devine. My spell check & grammar button is broken on my device. Easy fix.

Hey, your rationale button is broken. You'll need to return your device to Kesh and the Beanstalk.

Mick D said:

You forgot, "for anyone who has been watching MGP for ten years or more". For the under-twenties he's just the old guy who can ride with MM and J-Lo. And future butts in the seat are not gonna depend on an anachronism.

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Have u been to a GP lately? Most of the geezers look as old as you and Kesh. The retired folk with disposable income to drop on the old horse, living vicariously. All these old guys have kids wearing yellow hats that daddy bought. So the market Dorna is reaching with VR branded stuff is very narrow, only 3-98 year olds.

Jumkie said:

Have u been to a GP lately? Most of the geezers look as old as you and Kesh. The retired folk with disposable income to drop on the old horse, living vicariously. All these old guys have kids wearing yellow hats that daddy bought. So the market Dorna is reaching with VR branded stuff is very narrow, only 3-98 year olds.

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Now, now, Jum.

Kesh and Mick have no time for reality, they're too busy popping tabs of LSD to help them see the world with the utmost "clarity".

JPSLotus said:

Hi Kesh,


You might remember me, the 9-times world champion who basically gets his way every time something doesn't go my way. While I don't like that Jum doesn't worship me, he is right about that timeline. I've been hanging around with the Michelin guys in between race weekends. I take them out to dinner, buy them booze...well Dorna picks up the tab, by I pretend I do everything because I figure it will buy me some love from them.

Carmelo promised me that Michelin would focus their tire development around me. Otherwise I wouldn't be here.

Love,

VR

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Jumkie said:

You mean like how he's not "second" to anyone now, leading the championship against the young future? Or like the "second" (which lasted 2 years) when he sucked at Ducati only for the League to bail him out? Because under both circumstances, he's been treated 'second' to none. But you and Kesh want to take the road that Dorna & Michelin will overlook him and send him to the glue factory? If there was ever a case for your erroneous rationale it would have been when Marc had ascended to glory necessitating Rossi be put out to pasture. But that did NOT happen. However now it supposed to happen because Michelin are butt hurt or will overlook Rossi for Marc or "boring " Lorenzo?


Yea, the balloon, the balloon is floating, gravity is a hoax.

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JPSLotus said:

You think a rider or driver's tendencies change that much? There's always a baseline with which they would prefer things to be. What most people perceive to be change is the rider adapting to technical changes of the machinery. It's about the tendencies, not the actual M1 he rode in 2008.

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Hi - I remember you. You're the guy who always barged in front of the camera and jumped around like a monkey in hopes of getting attention during your dismal years at Ducati when nobody really gave a .... about your tire preferences. I know you drive around in your car with (gay-...) Rod Stewart on MP3 player singing "Do you think I'm sexy?". Maybe you should sit down and watch the movie Sunset Boulevard - so it doesn't come to you as too much of a shock when you find out the world doesn't revolve around you. Oh... but then again... you probably figured that out when you were at Ducati.

Re: Carmelo... he's been known to lie before. You know how it is; you always hurt the one you love.

Again - another straw man argument - re: Glue Factory. Nobody ever said that. Only that development won't necessarily be as narrowly focused on one rider as the Tin Foil Hat crowd predict.

Oh and Jape... pardon me for being so oblivious. I didn't know about this new cutting edge Tendency-ometer. I was under the ignorant misconception that the data was collected from a mechanical device called a motorcycle. I had no idea it was collected directly from Rossi's brain like some SF device from a William Gibson story.




In the event... what was relative to the old Yamaha (using Michelins suited to the bike of that iteration) would be hopelessly out of date with the new one. There have been so many changes to the chassis, the tires and electronics. Does it not occur to you that Rossi has changed as a rider while adapting to new technology over the last four years? Technology that has evolved around the Bridgestone tires???

Wait till Vale doesn't like the new tires. It'll be

Vale: "Zio Carmelo, I wanna the same-ah tires as a Casey!" all over again.

Carmelo: No problem mio figlio - just put on your Tendency-ometer and we'll whip up a special Rossi tire in no time!

Jesus Christ Kesh.

Every rider/driver has tendencies that show up in the telemetry that defines whatever their base riding style is from where they are likely to begin braking into corners as well as applying the throttle upon exit. Tendency-ometer? And you accuse everyone else of straw arguments?

There's a lot to be gleaned from that information as IT GIVES YOU A ....... FOUNDATION to work off of.

JPSLotus said:

Jesus Christ Kesh.

Every rider/driver has tendencies that show up in the telemetry that defines whatever their base riding style is from where they are likely to begin braking into corners as well as applying the throttle upon exit. Tendency-ometer? And you accuse everyone else of straw arguments?

There's a lot to be gleaned from that information as IT GIVES YOU A ....... FOUNDATION to work off of.

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Jape - Amigo - given how much things have changed since Michelin was supplying tires - how much do you think technology has changed?

A. Not at all.
B. A wee bit.
C. Some.
D. A whole lot.
E. A ....-load.

Everybody in the world of journos and serious enthusiasts already know what Rossi's preferences are. The question that begs to be asked is - given how much the bike designs have been skewed towards the Bridgestones - AND - how the surfaces of the tracks have changed in the last few seasons - how well can we realistically expect Bridgestone to design a narrowly focused "Rossi Tire" when they are (according to recent test rides on Michelins) a fair way behind the curve when it comes to the monumental challenge of designing tires that conform (relatively) to the standards that riders have come to expect these last few seasons - from Bridgestone? Recall too that they're under pressure to create tires in several different formulas for tracks that Michelin has never raced at before. Michelins tried by riders in the recent tests were deemed terrible with riders crashing all over the place. Michelin were only capable of keeping Rossi happy as long as they could fly in SNSs, and Michelins were roundly lambasted by all when they could no longer do so. I'd say they have their work cut out for them.