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Actually I'm beginning to think it's you and Jum that need to get a room.
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.... you guys! I'm not a pawn! .... punches all around.
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I wondered how long it would be before you appeared again
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If Dorna/Michelin were to get the ....... basics of tyre manufacture right and produce a product which does not spit off almost every factory rider like they did in their last test, how will they develop over time? Historical evidence suggests they will inevitably become biased in some regard. If Dorna indeed holds the development reigns, and their goal is financial gains by promoting one 'star' rider rather than promoting a 'balance' for the show a-la WSBK, I cannot see them throwing too many eggs in the diminishing-returns column which is Valentino Rossi. Few wise businesses would opt for such short-term potential when a much longer-term option (MM... J-Lo) is available.
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Before I start, I just wanted to say that this thread is now 43 pages! Great to see some life back in this place.
Rossi is also very adept at playing the politics of the 'sport' to his advatage, so does anyone really think that he won't use his influence to try and get a say in tyre development? I mean his best buddy and 2005-2007 test rider is developing them!
That's going to be a new term for me when I fart, internal combustion
And, some argue, sabotaged Ben Spies Yamaha. It is kinda funny how that bike magically had no more problems once it had a 46 plate on it.
Only if he's cut, she doesn't like natural men.
You'll have to have a pretty long reach around to get mine...
Rossi is also very adept at playing the politics of the 'sport' to his advatage, so does anyone really think that he won't use his influence to try and get a say in tyre development? I mean his best buddy and 2005-2007 test rider is developing them!
That's going to be a new term for me when I fart, internal combustion
And, some argue, sabotaged Ben Spies Yamaha. It is kinda funny how that bike magically had no more problems once it had a 46 plate on it.
Only if he's cut, she doesn't like natural men.
You'll have to have a pretty long reach around to get mine...
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I thought this should be migrated to this thread.
"Rossi's" tires (harder construction) happened to be also "Stoner's" tires... so much for the conspiracy.
"All this labeling is just according to riders' stated preferences; if you look at actual results, it's more of a mixed bag because it's not at all assured that a rider will win on "his" preferred tires. They might give a slight better feeling, but results vary.
Lorenzo so far has been perhaps the most consistent on "his" tires (softer construction ensuring more edge grip, better suited to his corner speed style) scoring most of his wins on those; had it been Rossi doing the same, we can imagine the conspiracy conjectures from Jum & C...
Moreover Bridgestone decides which tires to bring to each track months in advance, and there are always solid technical arguments for their choice, based on the track characteristics. Which pretty much dictate the tires to be used.
Conspiracy theorists will then have to move their conjectures back at the track selection level, and declare that Dorna selects tracks to "design" a championship for a certan rider? I woildn't be surprised "
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I don't believe there is any tyre conspiracy this year. I am not entirely convinced there never has been a tyre conspiracy of any kind, or that Dorna would never attempt a conspiracy.
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In respect of Michelin, I think conspiracy is the wrong word. It was pretty much established that comparative bespoke advantage was afforded to certain riders who dined at Clermont Ferrand, or those with the skill to exploit the softer compound afforded by the 16.5 rear. McCoy had his advantage cruelly stripped from him imo when this became the weapon of choice - although most never mastered it to the same devastating effect.
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The Doctor is not a diminishing returns column at the moment.
He only becomes a diminishing return when there are no major records left to break.
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Rossi has been leading the championship, standing on the podium when he's not won, may end up being the reining champion when Michelin enter the series, and all the Devine status that a 10th title would bestow; but Kesh and Mick want to convince us Michelin are like...Valentino who? Uhm got it. Hey boys, I have some beach property in Kansas I'd like to sell you. Its a great deal!
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Only here can you see people claiming that a rider who is leading the championship at almost the halfway point in the season is a "diminishing return" for Dorna.
Rule #4 of the 10 Crack Commandments is never get high on your own supply.
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Can't argue about the unfairness of the SNS era. But in the single supplier era - we're talking about a whole other dynamic.
The key here is "at the moment". Much criticism has been made of Dorna's short-sightedness. But this is Michelin who have been butt-hurt at being tossed out of the game these last seasons. Now there's no tire war - it makes more sense to formulate tires that work across a broad spectrum as Rossi beating ______ won't imply that Michelin is better than _____'s tire because they'll all be on the same tire. It's undeniable that Rossi has enjoyed an incredible resurgence this year, but at 36 it's wishful thinking to believe that he can continue to sustain this streak. Sure, he'll sell lots of t-shirts and memorabilia for years to come, but J-lo and MM (who broke a record number of records last year) are the ones that riders in the near future - will be looking to beat. Any smart company looks to the future. Michelin is in the business of selling tires and benefits from all riders looking good using their product. They're decidedly not, in the business of selling t-shirts.
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One thing is for sure, since 2008 Valentino Rossi is not at all a Michelin man. Just as since 2003 he's quite the opposite of being a Honda man.
On the contrary, he has a more to lose than others if Michelin (as it seems) brings in a weaker front tire, a strong front being so important for his riding style.
On the contrary, he has a more to lose than others if Michelin (as it seems) brings in a weaker front tire, a strong front being so important for his riding style.
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Rossi became a Bridgestone man in nano-second (the first who les the way no less) after years of being the favored son at Michelin. I'm sure he can find it in his heart to become a Michelin man once again. Its not like he is adverse to throwing people under the bus, just ask Burgess.
I'm still laughing at Kesh's reply about Michelin overlooking Rossi to look to the future. I have no response.
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