2024 Round 19 - PT Grand Prix of Thailand - Chang International Circuit

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Because it's just a regular number teams can choose in the most popular motorsport championship in the states.
No its not. Again what does that have to do with using a derogatory term about Americans?
 
It is. Or did I miss how Chastain won the championship in 2023?
Did you miss when I mentioned every racing discipline other than nascar uses #1 for the champion? I don't watch nascar its lame. But every racing sport from amateur to pro use 1 designated for the champion. Supercross, motorcross, moto america, cycling, kart, ect. But you are arguing about something you have no knowledge of and leaving out the fact that I only care that you insulted all the Americans on here.
 
I think Ducati were impressed by Ciabatti's work, and most of Ducati's management were on his side. I suspect Gigi wanted to work with Marc, despite Marc not having won a race, and he might have made it a precondition of his tenure with Ducati. I have no idea. I also have no idea whether Gigi's borderline unprofessional bromance with Marquez is of Gigi's own volition or whether a Spanish company was whispering in his ear.

Anyway, Gigi vs. Ciabatti is a very short battle with an obvious outcome.

The admission of guilt I'm referring to is my belief that the GPC brokered a really ugly tire deal at the end of 2007 for "safety" reasons. Ducati and Stoner fell apart. The 2011 season was their attempt to put the sport back together. Rossi and Burgess went to Ducati to fix their chassis. Stoner was given another chance at a world title by moving him to Honda. One of those moves worked out better than the other.

To me, 2025 looks like a repeat. Marquez was on track to win 10 by his 30th birthday. Ducati were allowed to "spice things up" by introducing ride height devices. Marc got injured. The ride height devices and aero started deciding race outcomes. Marc was locked out of contention. After wrecking the latter half of Marc's career, they are trying to put the sport back together again by moving Marc to factory Ducati until the 2027 rules arrive.
Agree with most of that. Dorna doubtless considered Rossi repeating his switch to Yamaha thing would be good box office, another parallel with Marc now.,

There was a problem though, Dorna are a media company who knew/know little about bikes and bike racing, the Ducati was far worse than anybody and particularly JB and Valentino appreciated, and Stoner after a very dominant 2011 title win was still not popular. Seemingly incapable psychologically of going at any speed other than flat out Stoner showed in pre season testing that he was going to devastate the field on the new Honda 1000 bike, so neither plan really panned out long term. .

I was going to say Dorna always seemed to think motogp bikes were funny 2-wheeled F1 cars but they are currently not all that far away from being exactly that.
 
I am not hot under the collar over all this. However, you should understand that the term you applied Is used to disparage low rent, backwards, “ugly American” red neck stereotypes, which hardly describes any of the Americans on this site. And mind you, there have been hundreds of American members over the last few decades, and they all follow MotoGP as closely as anybody else. One of our most respected members here, was a self admitted redneck, and he was one of the most insightful posters on this forum.
 
Not only does he insult all Americans but he goes on to make a false claim in the same sentence based on nascar. Typical of someone who uses a derogatory words. If you polled 100 people in America on why someone had the #1 on their bike or car, 99 people would answer because they are the champion. Its common knowledge.
 
Talk about thread drift, 7 posts about the race that starts tomorrow, 35 posts about ,,,,,,,,, ?????
 
Did you miss when I mentioned every racing discipline other than nascar uses #1 for the champion? I don't watch nascar its lame. But every racing sport from amateur to pro use 1 designated for the champion. Supercross, motorcross, moto america, cycling, kart, ect. But you are arguing about something you have no knowledge of and leaving out the fact that I only care that you insulted all the Americans on here.
My God I never imagined people would throw a tantrum over a term that has been used by Americans themselves a million times.
It has even been used several times in this forum before today if you care to use the forum search.
 
My God I never imagined people would throw a tantrum over a term that has been used by Americans themselves a million times.
It has even been used several times in this forum before today if you care to use the forum search.

Ahh the old other people said it so I can too defense. Good for you. Not only are you totally wrong but totally lack the ability to understand what you said was disrespectful.

Is it an Italian thing to not take responsibility for your actions?
 
For Thailand, my focus is going to be on Moto3 and Moto2.

Moto3 to see if Alonso can take the record for the most wins in a season in the lightweight class. I'm invested in seeing this more than perhaps the record justifies. So sue me :)

For Moto2, I want to see Ogura wrap up the title. It's so close, and I want to see it done.

Clearly I'll still watch the MotoGP race and sessions. But, more interest in the lower classes.
This year I have been really in to the lower classes, normally in the past I did not even watch them (I have VideoPass), many of the races (in particular Moto3) are more exciting than the big boys !
 
Well, I haven't posted for a while, this seems as good a time as any.

We are getting down to the wire and though I have a preference for who wins the championship, the season has been such that whoever wins it, deserves it. Every one of the likely winners has had many good chances and thrown some away. I will be at peace with the outcome and hope to still see some good racing this year. I congratulate Ducati for not overtly hobbling Martin. So far.

Not so sure Marquez is going to have a walk in the park next year. I rather hope that not to be the case. Bagnaia and Martin are still both learning and have time on their side.

Might have to keep my subscription and watch next year after all!
 
I think Ducati were impressed by Ciabatti's work, and most of Ducati's management were on his side. I suspect Gigi wanted to work with Marc, despite Marc not having won a race, and he might have made it a precondition of his tenure with Ducati. I have no idea. I also have no idea whether Gigi's borderline unprofessional bromance with Marquez is of Gigi's own volition or whether a Spanish company was whispering in his ear.

Anyway, Gigi vs. Ciabatti is a very short battle with an obvious outcome.

The admission of guilt I'm referring to is my belief that the GPC brokered a really ugly tire deal at the end of 2007 for "safety" reasons. Ducati and Stoner fell apart. The 2011 season was their attempt to put the sport back together. Rossi and Burgess went to Ducati to fix their chassis. Stoner was given another chance at a world title by moving him to Honda. One of those moves worked out better than the other.

To me, 2025 looks like a repeat. Marquez was on track to win 10 by his 30th birthday. Ducati were allowed to "spice things up" by introducing ride height devices. Marc got injured. The ride height devices and aero started deciding race outcomes. Marc was locked out of contention. After wrecking the latter half of Marc's career, they are trying to put the sport back together again by moving Marc to factory Ducati until the 2027 rules arrive.


Unprofessional bromance?
He has spent years building a bike capable of neutralising Marquez's frequently displayed ability to stuff a bike into a corner past what a front tyre should be able to handle. Clearly aware just how damn good he is given how long and hard they had to work to get there.
Why would he risk another manufacturer getting hold of that ability and risking all of that hard work? Two other European manufacturers aren't a million miles from competing with Ducati. He has seen first hand, and a lot closer than any of us, what a difference Marquez can make, including this year on his first year on a Ducati, compared to others on a GP23 with previous experience on a Ducati. He has access to the data also.
Ample evidence he has used his head not his heart and made the smart move.
 
Unprofessional bromance?
He has spent years building a bike capable of neutralising Marquez's frequently displayed ability to stuff a bike into a corner past what a front tyre should be able to handle. Clearly aware just how damn good he is given how long and hard they had to work to get there.
Why would he risk another manufacturer getting hold of that ability and risking all of that hard work? Two other European manufacturers aren't a million miles from competing with Ducati. He has seen first hand, and a lot closer than any of us, what a difference Marquez can make, including this year on his first year on a Ducati, compared to others on a GP23 with previous experience on a Ducati. He has access to the data also.
Ample evidence he has used his head not his heart and made the smart move.

I’m not claiming Gigi has no reason to work with Marc. I’m just saying that Ducati have other relationships to manage and public favoritism from the team principal isn’t usually good for business. Shuhei Nakamoto did it the right way. He just said Stoner was the best they’d ever seen at HRC and dropped the mic. Gigi is trying to ask Marc out for tapas or something.

I question whether is public display of affection is genuine. I’m sure he wants to work with Marc.
 
My God I never imagined people would throw a tantrum over a term that has been used by Americans themselves a million times.
It has even been used several times in this forum before today if you care to use the forum search.
I think they are just giving you the wind up. I hope.

Ahh the old other people said it so I can too defense. Good for you. Not only are you totally wrong but totally lack the ability to understand what you said was disrespectful.

Is it an Italian thing to not take responsibility for your actions?
Bruh did you just mis-nationalized another user? His user info says he’s from East Germany. He has to drive to Berlin and jump over the wall just to get internet.

Anyway, back to the racing.
 
I think they are just giving you the wind up. I hope.


Bruh did you just mis-nationalized another user? His user info says he’s from East Germany. He has to drive to Berlin and jump over the wall just to get internet.

Anyway, back to the racing.
.... he's Germany? That explains everything. Back to the regular scheduled program.
 
Insulting each other is natural for human beings. Only recently certain world power started using it as a weapon to suppress freedom of speech.
Any unsubstantiated insult is more telling about person who committed it, not the target. This is how it used to be in the free world ... (RIP)
 
I’m not claiming Gigi has no reason to work with Marc. I’m just saying that Ducati have other relationships to manage and public favoritism from the team principal isn’t usually good for business. Shuhei Nakamoto did it the right way. He just said Stoner was the best they’d ever seen at HRC and dropped the mic. Gigi is trying to ask Marc out for tapas or something.

I question whether is public display of affection is genuine. I’m sure he wants to work with Marc.

Dunno. I haven't really taken much note of mannerisms.
Clearly he hasn't bought into the VR nonsense despite his team using their bikes and him being Italian also. He appears to admire Marquez's ability on the bike and demonstates appreciation for the achievement when he does well on the old model bike and beats the better new model.
I don't mind him showing appreciation. It aint nothing compared to me whooping at the tv screen when I watch.
He is more restrained than I'd be. 😳🤣
 
Why wouldn't the best designer of modern MotoGP bikes not admire and want to work with the rider with the best results since the age of modern motorbike racing?
And vice versa?

As for the race in Thailand, this is not a Bagnaia track per se. Marquez did also a very good race on the HRC bike. Martin nailed the weekend though.
A repeat would be more or less the end of the road for the championship for Bagnaia. He needs to finish in front of Martin in the race, and not too far behind in the sprint.

It'll be tense.
 

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