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If the factory Yams beating the satellite team makes him feel smug, leave him to it. It really shouldn't have taken this long, but the gap is going to grow as Yamaha's support drops now that Tech3 have signed to KTM.
On the Lorenzo win numbers, I make it one more win on a Duke than the supposed GOAT managed in 2 years. I'm sure that the cries of "different bike" won't be long, which are true. However a lot of development done by a rider that supposedly couldn't develop .... seems to have played a massive part in the team's success.
Weird how he so quickly sorted an unfixable bike.
Whoop.
J.Lo just basically confirmed in the post race interview that he won’t be at Ducati next year.
J.Lo just basically confirmed in the post race interview that he won’t be at Ducati next year.
Agree with all three.
I have been thinking the same, Dovi does look as though he only had that one year in him, but he was very close to being the best rider in the world for that 1 year, nothing to be disregarded, particularly given the calibre of the current field. Like Nicky a little, except Nicky very definitely was the best rider for his 1 year, in one of the most even title battles with imo probably the greatest number of riders with competitive equipment ever in the premier class. That the times, bike formulae etc moved against him makes no difference to him having won that year, just as the usual suspects winning the premier league title again since Leicester's title doesn't mean Leicester didn't win their title. Would have been great to see Dovi go the whole way like Nicky and Leicester.
I imagine this forum would be a lot more animated if Rossi had pulled that move.
The silence for yet another reckless MM manoeuvre is telling.
Great to see Lorenzo pick up his first victory. It was interesting to see that Dovi tried to touch fists with him once on the cool down lap, and JL ignored him. A few turns later, Dovi tried again, and JL rebuffed him again, only for Dovi to try a third time and JL to accommodate him. Lorenzo is clearly not happy with Dovi, for whatever reason.
As I've said, it's crazy for people to write him off so easily. Suzuki would be regretting opting for Mir over Lorenzo.
Solid rides from Dovi, the Suzukis and Rossi (whose pace over the last two laps was surprising - where on earth did that come from?).
As I've said, it's crazy for people to write him off so easily. Suzuki would be regretting opting for Mir over Lorenzo.
Solid rides from Dovi, the Suzukis and Rossi (whose pace over the last two laps was surprising - where on earth did that come from?).
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I derived great amusement from the fact that in Parc Ferme, after kissing his M1, Vale immediately hugged his team and mechanics before eventually getting to his new girlfriend who he embraced a perfunctory last as an afterthought. Immediately obvious where a true racers loyalties lie. Great ride today to defy the pressure from the Suzukis.
Superb ride from Iannone and Rins consistently inviting disaster by braking deeper and getting on the gas earlier to stay at the sharp end all weekend.
So Jarvis has implicitly confirmed the quasi "satellite" Yamaha team for Lorenzo. Expect an announcement at Catalunya. There's oil money involved again - so two seats available. For years now, many have hankered after seeing Dani on an M1. "Dani Petronas" - how does that sound after a career bank rolled by Repsol?
Yamaha would be foolish not to pile yen into this project and I wouldn't be at all surprised given the ailing form of Viñales if it's Lorenzo's route back into the factory squad - unless under the direction of Forcada it becomes a third factory project in Petronas livery much like the Nastro Azurro NSR of old.
Had there been sufficient run off before the gravel - I'm thinking some of the F1 circuits, Marc would have saved that. Hilarious.
I'd better mention the Ducatis. That soft front was only going to go with Lorenzo and Dovi knew that. I speculate that he still fared better than if he had elected to run the medium. The widened tank offered greater stability but the rationale lay in supporting Lorenzo's arms which have caused him to fade during the race. It also allowed both riders to hook/lock into the corners when hanging off.
Mugello is seriously beginning to worry me. That stone wall although small looms larger in the background since Márquez's terrifying 2013 crash. Following the slo-mo footage of Pedrosa cresting the rise when his head looked as though it was in a tumble drier due to the buffeting and Pirro's lucky escape due to dislocated pads, what will be the effect of the reduced downforce next year?
Wonderful to see Lorenzo doing again what he does best (in addition to complaining and sulking).
Superb ride from Iannone and Rins consistently inviting disaster by braking deeper and getting on the gas earlier to stay at the sharp end all weekend.
So Jarvis has implicitly confirmed the quasi "satellite" Yamaha team for Lorenzo. Expect an announcement at Catalunya. There's oil money involved again - so two seats available. For years now, many have hankered after seeing Dani on an M1. "Dani Petronas" - how does that sound after a career bank rolled by Repsol?
Yamaha would be foolish not to pile yen into this project and I wouldn't be at all surprised given the ailing form of Viñales if it's Lorenzo's route back into the factory squad - unless under the direction of Forcada it becomes a third factory project in Petronas livery much like the Nastro Azurro NSR of old.
Had there been sufficient run off before the gravel - I'm thinking some of the F1 circuits, Marc would have saved that. Hilarious.
I'd better mention the Ducatis. That soft front was only going to go with Lorenzo and Dovi knew that. I speculate that he still fared better than if he had elected to run the medium. The widened tank offered greater stability but the rationale lay in supporting Lorenzo's arms which have caused him to fade during the race. It also allowed both riders to hook/lock into the corners when hanging off.
Mugello is seriously beginning to worry me. That stone wall although small looms larger in the background since Márquez's terrifying 2013 crash. Following the slo-mo footage of Pedrosa cresting the rise when his head looked as though it was in a tumble drier due to the buffeting and Pirro's lucky escape due to dislocated pads, what will be the effect of the reduced downforce next year?
Wonderful to see Lorenzo doing again what he does best (in addition to complaining and sulking).
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In all honesty - I don't think it was that bad - particularly from the overhead. Had that been Valentino, I would have said the same and the BT commentary team certainly wouldn't have been so quick to pounce on it amid the cheering. Petrucci was slightly wide and Márquez will always try to steal the line from behind. The problem is, after Argentina he must expect greater levels of scrutiny from race direction, pundits, and fans.
The incident wasn't even referred for "investigation" - very likely because it was unofficially vindicated by examination from multiple angles.
Dont think anyone was on a Soft front today. Majority were on the medium including Lorenzo.
Dovi, Rossi and Marq were on the Hard front tyre.
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Rossi must've ordered Michelin not to give Zarco the SNS. That must be it.
Dovi's season really took off here last year. He still rode really well today, I think.
The next five races will tell us a lot about Dovi.
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You have suddenly and surprisingly become rather naive if you think Zarco and Tech 3 are going to get strongly supported by Yamaha for the rest of this season as has been said.
He has a really good bike already. Yamaha upped their support before Tech3 defected. Yamaha can't pull back on what they've given him.
His bike won't develop over the year, though.
I thought it looked quite damning, but I would like to see a few more replays before deciding.
Not sure why you continue to mock SNS tyres when it's a fact that Rossi among others got them.
Also if you're happy with Rossi beating a satellite rider with very little factory help then it's a pretty low bar but I guess goals need to be realistic.
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I imagine you're probably right.
I imagine that there would have been a lot of staunch defense of him by certain folk.
I imagine we'd be told that's racing.
I imagine Messrs Huewan & Hodgson wouldn't have been so quick to cry foul before backtracking quietly and brushing over the fact they thought they got it wrong.
But it's only my imagination so I'm maybe wrong.
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Thanks. Apologies, I thought Lorenzo was definitely on the soft front. Does anyone have confirmation of all the race tyre selections?
It is on the live timing during the race but doesn’t seem to be available on Dorna’s site post race which is strange. My memory is that Jorge was on a medium front and soft rear though. Dovi said he himself made the wrong tire choice post race.
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