Joined Mar 2015
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Chertsey, Surrey, UK
After the performance from Danillo, he must be aware that he's staying where he is, he's making silly errors, but I can see he's got halfway to understanding on getting round the corners better without so much tyre wear, he'll get there.
All 3 are like..
"Lewis Hamilton? Never heard of her."
Great pic Gaz! Thanks for posting.
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"Lewis Hamilton? Never heard of her."
Great pic Gaz! Thanks for posting.
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Joined Feb 2018
681 Posts | 535+
Italy
This one got me emotional!!!
After all Petrucci went through, after all the people saying he didn't deserve a factory Duc even before the season started and so on....
I'm not bandwagoning nor saying he's the new Stoner, my point is simply: WHAT A RIDE, Danilo!!!
The crowd was amazing too for once (I was at Mugello) other than the usual Neanderthals booing MM, which was undeserved as he was by far the most impressing rider to watch in terms of sheer style...he's just so mentally fast and "mean" on the bike...not that it's news, but I get to see only one or two races per year in real life and it's always different to witness it with your own eyes.
A few random things I saw, heard or acknowledged:
- Mugello is the best track in the world, period.
- A lot of the fans that go to Mugello are ........ Valebans, I was ashamed when they booed MM and there's no other way to define it other than embarrassing, but when Danilo was on top of the podium and the whole valley sang the anthem together, well that felt cool.
- Lorenzo is flying to Japan today to meet with the HRC engineers as he needs a full re-design of the bike in order to be competitive.
- Rins is a beast but has the less-good-looking riding style among all MotoGP riders IMHO, despite being able to ride some really internal lines.
- Alex Marquez will likely go to Ducati Pramac in 2020 thanks to Alzamora's "support", but it is unclear who he'd replace.
- Dovi was PISSED at Danilo's gnarly overtake, which caused me one of the very rare moments of not being on Dovi's side...win and lose with your chin up, Danilo just wanted it more badly than anyone else today.
- I have no idea if anything similar happened in the non-Italian interviews but Marquez gave a real roast to Lorenzo in his post-race interview...long story short: on Saturday Lorenzo stated that he needs a bike designed for his style as the current Honda is too Marquez-oriented and therefore too difficult for other riders, proof would be that only MM can win with it...MM was asked about it by the Italian journalist after the race and literally went like "well honestly he should have tried the 15 or 16 Honda...THAT was a difficult bike. A team shall listen to the rider that is winning, not to the guy that gets far behind...they will not listen to you if you get 13th. Nakagami got 5th, so it shows we have a good bike"
I never heard MM so "sharp" but frankly that was a cool answer (and I like Lorenzo, don't get me wrong).
- Danilo's dad is cool AF.
- Tuscanian wine is REALLY good.
That's it for now
After all Petrucci went through, after all the people saying he didn't deserve a factory Duc even before the season started and so on....
I'm not bandwagoning nor saying he's the new Stoner, my point is simply: WHAT A RIDE, Danilo!!!
The crowd was amazing too for once (I was at Mugello) other than the usual Neanderthals booing MM, which was undeserved as he was by far the most impressing rider to watch in terms of sheer style...he's just so mentally fast and "mean" on the bike...not that it's news, but I get to see only one or two races per year in real life and it's always different to witness it with your own eyes.
A few random things I saw, heard or acknowledged:
- Mugello is the best track in the world, period.
- A lot of the fans that go to Mugello are ........ Valebans, I was ashamed when they booed MM and there's no other way to define it other than embarrassing, but when Danilo was on top of the podium and the whole valley sang the anthem together, well that felt cool.
- Lorenzo is flying to Japan today to meet with the HRC engineers as he needs a full re-design of the bike in order to be competitive.
- Rins is a beast but has the less-good-looking riding style among all MotoGP riders IMHO, despite being able to ride some really internal lines.
- Alex Marquez will likely go to Ducati Pramac in 2020 thanks to Alzamora's "support", but it is unclear who he'd replace.
- Dovi was PISSED at Danilo's gnarly overtake, which caused me one of the very rare moments of not being on Dovi's side...win and lose with your chin up, Danilo just wanted it more badly than anyone else today.
- I have no idea if anything similar happened in the non-Italian interviews but Marquez gave a real roast to Lorenzo in his post-race interview...long story short: on Saturday Lorenzo stated that he needs a bike designed for his style as the current Honda is too Marquez-oriented and therefore too difficult for other riders, proof would be that only MM can win with it...MM was asked about it by the Italian journalist after the race and literally went like "well honestly he should have tried the 15 or 16 Honda...THAT was a difficult bike. A team shall listen to the rider that is winning, not to the guy that gets far behind...they will not listen to you if you get 13th. Nakagami got 5th, so it shows we have a good bike"
I never heard MM so "sharp" but frankly that was a cool answer (and I like Lorenzo, don't get me wrong).
- Danilo's dad is cool AF.
- Tuscanian wine is REALLY good.
That's it for now
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I think Yamaha hit the ground running in 2017 with a bike Viñales was more than happy on. Rossi bitched and moaned until he got the tyre he wanted which made yamahas results worse at which point he got the chassis he had demanded and again their results got worse.
Rossi in particular has blamed everything on the bike other than himself, first it was the tyres when that made things worse it was the chassis when that didn’t work then it was the electronics and Yamahas failure to ‘trick’ the electronics like Honda and Ducati allegedly were. Now that ‘loophole’ has been fixed by the rules and nothing’s changed it’s the engine. While it’s true they’re handicapped by their engine if tomorrow they fixed it and had the same top speed as Ducati it would then be something else when his results didn’t come.
My stance on the issue is simple, Viñales was never the second coming of Lorenzo, the issues that plague him now where there at Suzuki even when he was fighting with Aleix. Rossi at 40 is no longer at his best, Rossi at his best was inferior to both Stoner and Lorenzo as the h2h results show. Marquez is head and shoulders above Lorenzo as the results show. During his ‘development god’ phase Yamaha had a brilliant engineer, Burgess and Rossi was having tyres made to his specs. The biggest hinderance to Rossi’s career has been a control tyre that is decided by a vote from the riders. Yamahas failure came when Jarvis put Rossi before Lorenzo. Rossi has nowhere to go other than Yamaha all Jarvis had to do was have Lorenzo sign a contract before offering Rossi one, instead he offered contract to them both at the same time and showed Lorenzo that despite winning their last 3 titles he wasn’t the one they really wanted.
Ducati now have a brilliant engineer who has methodically improved their bike to the stage where it is now the best bike on the grid. While their bike doesn’t love turning like the Yamaha, Honda and Suzuki it is making up for that by braking and acceleration. The added bonus of that is it makes their bike hard to stick a pass on. All this has happened while their riders didn’t ..... and moan at every inconvenience.
Honda have Marquez who’s ability is otherworldly and managed to win titles on bikes that shouldn’t have been capable (16&17). Honda have worked on their weak points even when their strongest point (braking) suffered. All this happened while their riders didn’t ..... and moan at every inconvenience.
Joined Feb 2018
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Italy
This is racing. And as every rider always says, your teammate is always your first rival. Petrucci wanted to win and tried everything to do so, I can't blame him.
I'm a huge Dovi fan and as much as I like Petrux I'd generally prefer to see Dovi winning, but I didn't see anything wrong in what Danilo did.
Last but not least: IF Dovi had something on Marquez he would have gotten second in front of him and not third behind him..
Joined Aug 2007
11K Posts | 3K+
Pomona NY
Can't help wondering if Rossi now wishes he'd stayed w Ducati. I'm glad he didn't simply because there are younger riders on the Duc getting a chance to show their stuff. Cal and Nakagami are to my mind that much more impressive given their results on Marquez-Special. As to who's to blame for the bike being so squirrely - the responsibility lies with HRC who've never been good at matching the bike to the rider. That may have been their intent with the introduction of the 2007 Pedrocycle - but it never really panned out.
Joined Feb 2017
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Acadiana
You say it as I was blaming Petrucci. I do not blame anyone, I'm merely stating the facts.
This is bs, Dovi had to stop as a result of this and give up the fight, his race was over.
Dovi almost sounds entitled about Petrucci’s pass. From Danilos words it sounds a lot like all Ducati riders are expected to help Dovi even if that means giving him a position. Petrucci said something like ‘for the rest of the season I will help Dovi but I really wanted to win this one.’ Mapping 8 anyone? Because of that I fee that Dovi and Ducati should go .... themselves.
Joined Feb 2018
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Italy
@segfault: I ain't saying you're blaming him, I'm saying Danilo did the right thing. He saw a little bit of space and went in. Again: this is racing.
As per my other statement that you quoted, man look again at the last few turns, especially the last one. Dovi was close, he could have tried, it just simply is not in his DNA to be that aggressive and that is fine.
But you are talking like Dovi ended the race 10sec. behind Marquez...
As per my other statement that you quoted, man look again at the last few turns, especially the last one. Dovi was close, he could have tried, it just simply is not in his DNA to be that aggressive and that is fine.
But you are talking like Dovi ended the race 10sec. behind Marquez...
If Dovi didn’t touch Marquez whether his fault or not Marquez probably would have taken the W.
Joined Feb 2018
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Italy
Nah it ain't like that, it's just that a part of the box is probably a bit pissed about losing a few points to Marquez. Dovi was pissed mainly cause he knows that he could have won but got 3rd.
Petrucci talked about helping Dovi since the beginning of the season. Not sure if you know but Petrux moved to Forlì (the place where Dovi hails from and lives) to train with him after Dovi kinda invited him to do so. The two are very close, as much as you can be given their jobs positions obviously.
Lorenzo and the map8 thing happened simply because Jorge couldn't stand to obey anyone nor to act like a "second" rider, but shouldn't you in a similar situation help a team that is paying you 12.5mln per year try to win a title?
ALL Ducati wants is a title, the only Ducati rider who currently seems able to aim at a title is Dovizioso. It is obvious that in any team there are some sort of internal "rules" to face certain situations, as much as I don't like it myself, racing is ALSO a business...that being said Danilo did what he had to. He'd never let Dovi pass or anything, he probably just got told to be a little bit more careful with aggressive overtakes in the future. Ducati simply doesn't want another Rio 2016.
Nothing more nor less than that IMHO.
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Joined Feb 2017
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Acadiana
Of course it was racing. Petrucci saw the door ajar and went for it. Nothing wrong here. You didn't expect him to take out the measuring tape and check if there is enough space for Dovi between himself and Marc, did you? Well, there wasn't and Dovi did the only safe thing he could do, he let them go. Then again, with Crazy Joe approach there would have been a nice crash, maybe all three of them out, or at least two, We will never know ...
Well, there wasn't and Dovi did the only safe thing he could do, he let them go. Then again, with Crazy Joe approach there would have been a nice crash, maybe all three of them out, or at least two, We will never know ...
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Danilo would never let Dovi pass? He has a history of doing so. Rewatch Valencia
2015 where he pulled so far over for Rossi he almost ended up in the stands.
Ducati were furious at Redding for not letting Dovi in front of him IIRC. They’re ready to enforce team orders at the beginning of a season to win a title. That’s not racing, it’s embarrassing.
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Joined Feb 2018
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Italy
Of course it was racing. Petrucci saw the door ajar and went for it. Nothing wrong here. You didn't expect him to take out the measuring tape and check if there is enough space for Dovi between himself and Marc, did you?
I guess all I'm saying is that I don't reckon that Dovi's move after Danilo came in like a rocket cost him the second place, but as usual these are my 2 cents
