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Schwantz comments on MM/VR

8 people on this forum say Rossi worst thing to happen yada yada..
Meanwhile in the real world....
 
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Has anyone mentioned Stoner punching de Puniet


That's a bit dramatic Danski, he tapped him.

Jack Miller on the other hand back in his Moto3 days had a tantrum at the guys getting behind him for a tow and intentionally locked his rear brake, causing the following pack to scatter and got no penalty for it.
 
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8 people on this forum say Rossi worst thing to happen yada yada..
Meanwhile in the real world....

Oh yes, the "real world" that you inhabit, wherein a bunch of boppers get angrier by the day, holding their breath, waiting for a 39 yr. old has-been to get a 10th championship, while life passes you by.
 
How many people voted for Donald Trump?

A lot of stupid people.

Rossi fans are no different for the most part.
I guarantee if Donny had stood for election anywhere else in the world he would not be in any sort of power.
Rossi fans would not vote Trump either :)
 
I guarantee if Donny had stood for election anywhere else in the world he would not be in any sort of power.
Rossi fans would not vote Trump either :)

How would you know, are they all m8's or something and for your information take a look at countries like Poland, Romania, Hungary, all these countries have elected very similar leaders to Trump.
 
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How would you know, are they all m8's or something and for your information take a look at countries like Poland, Romania, Hungary, all these countries have elected very similar leaders to Trump.

Poland is such a sad case. When everything was ....., the voting public were super progressive and now after a few years of plenty, people get all bourgeois and want a strongman in office to maintain the status quo. In general - the tendency towards putting an autocrat in office is in the cultural DNA; not something that is easily bred out.
 
How would you know, are they all m8's or something and for your information take a look at countries like Poland, Romania, Hungary, all these countries have elected very similar leaders to Trump.

And Italians elected Silvio Berlusconi several times, one of the dodgiest ..... around, makes Trump look like a saint.
 
This post is a textbook example of a strawman argument that doesn't merit a response. Somehow you've imagined that I want MM to be banned because...you have a vivid imagination.

What I had noticed was you directing the discussion into dissection of incidents vs years in the sport Marquez vs Rossi breaking it down into the fine details. TBH im not interested. What I want to know is Marquez capable of ever going Wilaroit again. If he is, if that Marquez is still in there, ticking away like a time bomb, then for both his and the riders safety it’s better to give him time away from the sport. It’s not a ban, it’s recognition the sport has been mismanaged and Marquez needs time away from it all to grow into a better, more rounded and experienced person. Go rock climbing or whatever floats his boat. There is a duty of care to Marquez himself.

In the meantime, answer one question: why was the rider licence points system abandoned? The system was designed to accumulate points and increase penalties for the number of rider indescretions, a power disincentive. Why did they get rid of it?
 
What I had noticed was you directing the discussion into dissection of incidents vs years in the sport Marquez vs Rossi breaking it down into the fine details. TBH im not interested. What I want to know is Marquez capable of ever going Wilaroit again. If he is, if that Marquez is still in there, ticking away like a time bomb, then for both his and the riders safety it’s better to give him time away from the sport. It’s not a ban, it’s recognition the sport has been mismanaged and Marquez needs time away from it all to grow into a better, more rounded and experienced person. Go rock climbing or whatever floats his boat. There is a duty of care to Marquez himself.

In the meantime, answer one question: why was the rider licence points system abandoned? The system was designed to accumulate points and increase penalties for the number of rider indescretions, a power disincentive. Why did they get rid of it?
I'm not sure, to be honest. I thought it was a sensible system. I think it was abandoned after Sepanggate in 2015, right? Maybe other can provide more background.

I don't think Marquez should be required to sit out. I think the rules need to be clearer, and that they need to be applied consistently.
 
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I think the points were deemed surplus to requirements. Race directors can apply any penalties either in the race or after it. Or grid position for infractions in practice and qualifying. No need for points really.
 
This post is a textbook example of a strawman argument that doesn't merit a response. Somehow you've imagined that I want MM to be banned because...you have a vivid imagination.

If it doesn't merit a response why did you respond??
 
Very specifically, in terms of Rossi vs MM, the score is 2 DNFs for MM after contact with Rossi, one as a result of an absolutely deliberate attempt to run MM off the track to which Rossi admitted which left MM on the tarmac of a live track during a race as against this 1 DNF from Rossi after putting his bike down on the grass.
Sure. Who said otherwise?

On an unrelated note, I note that you've omitted to mention that MM ran Rossi off the track at Assen 2015 (even MM ran off the track when he attempted his pass, so Rossi could've never made the corner).

I'm not sure why DNFs are relevant. The question is whether a rider did something wrong, not whether a DNF was a consequence.

Rossi did nothing wrong at Argentina 15. Conversely, MM bumped Rossi off line in the immediately preceding corner.

In race suspensions for Rossi in his premier class career 0 even for the 4 incidents you concede were more dangerous than this one,
Which four incidents were they again? LS08, Jerez 11, Sepang 15 and which one again? Which is the incident Rossi was involved in causing a broken leg?

Anyway, I don't see why you've arbitrarily confined the comparison of all of Rossi's four indiscretions solely against MM's contact with Rossi. MM, as everyone knows, has had far more dangerous actions (as I've listed above). Also, context matters - when you the quantity and gravity of bonehead moves MM has in the last 8 years (which are a multiple of VR's bonehead moves over 22 years), it's quite obvious that MM is in a different league.

Meanwhile the major safety issue at that PI race was where the morons, probably pretty much the same people who black flagged MM, chose to have the riders re -enter the track from the pits.
Do you think MM has any responsibility to re-enter the track in a safe manner (recalling that Turn 1 at Phillip Island is at the end of a 340km/h straight, and that Turn 1 itself is a 210km/h apex)? If the marshals are morons, does that absolve the rider of responsibility entirely?

Also btw, by the same argument you apply to Rossi most of the MM incidents you mention can’t have been illegal or dirty because he wasn’t penalised.
When did I say anything about penalties being the measure of whether conduct is illegal or dirty? I never did.
 
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I'm not sure, to be honest. I thought it was a sensible system. I think it was abandoned after Sepanggate in 2015, right? Maybe other can provide more background.

I don't think Marquez should be required to sit out. I think the rules need to be clearer, and that they need to be applied consistently.

We focus on the poor saps standing there with the swords in their hands, and post battle complain hey why did you stab him in the back? Meanwhile the evil manipulative emperor somehow escapes our attention. Yet he was the one who built the Collesium, if for no other reason to encourage the mob. He then encourages them to entertain to the best of their ability. The lack of clear cut systems is a part of it to me, yet we focus on the participants.

Rossi, while he annoys me at times, has always been in the middle of the battle so to speak, so I blame him for nothing, under the circumstances. He has a hell of a lot more at risk than Carmelo.
 
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