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And rossi should not ever try to cut in on an overtaking rider like he did, and had done in the past.
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And rossi should not ever try to cut in on an overtaking rider like he did, and had done in the past.
Except this is the only time he has had to carve through the whole field after a penalty in the premier class that I recall; when he did it in moto 2 after appropriately being penalised (or under-penalised as the case may be) he was lionised by many of his current critics, David Emmett included.
Bottom line is inconsistency particularly with RD’s actions, and imo the continuing influence of the box office concerns of the commercial rights holders; I for one believe late season penalties on at least 2 occasions were influenced by a wish to keep the title race open till the last race. If you believe Carmelo’s/Dorna’s putative distancing of themselves from RD is real I have a very nice Harbour Bridge I could sell you.
We saw this in operation in F1 when Bernie pretty much forced them to run a Japanese Grand Prix in a typhoon everyone knew was coming.
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RD had made a rod for their own back by NOT penalising Canet for what was clearly a negligent and likely deliberate action ................. in practice none the less.
How the .... could they then more severely penalise a lesser action that occurred under race conditions?
This is not about MM, VR or whatever occurred but as Aleix says (and .... I hate agreeing with him as I am no fan) it is about penalties as a deterrent and the weak ... action of Race Direction from one season to the next and from one race to the next.
Now that rant over, there are positives from this recent .........
- Riders are speaking out against Rossi
- Riders are speaking out against Marquez
- Riders are speaking out against inaction by race Direction
- Riders are calling for uniform and clear penalties
- Riders are highlighting other risks/riskier riders and their actions
...., Jack Miller calls states that Rossi/Marquez need to stop being immature ........... ....... Jack Miller being a voice of reason.
Is it a damn full moon?
How the .... could they then more severely penalise a lesser action that occurred under race conditions?
This is not about MM, VR or whatever occurred but as Aleix says (and .... I hate agreeing with him as I am no fan) it is about penalties as a deterrent and the weak ... action of Race Direction from one season to the next and from one race to the next.
Now that rant over, there are positives from this recent .........
- Riders are speaking out against Rossi
- Riders are speaking out against Marquez
- Riders are speaking out against inaction by race Direction
- Riders are calling for uniform and clear penalties
- Riders are highlighting other risks/riskier riders and their actions
...., Jack Miller calls states that Rossi/Marquez need to stop being immature ........... ....... Jack Miller being a voice of reason.
Is it a damn full moon?
Is mouthbreathers your expression of the month? thats another dollar you owe me
You can have two. Should be enough to pay off the sheep of the week.
Lorenzo has been calling for it since 2013, like he did with Simoncelli and like he has done wth Rossi. He hasn't changed his stance on aggressive riding even while he was being mocked for it by the same people who are now complaining about Marquez's aggressive riding. It's not so long ago he was being mocked for it in 2013 by the same people for saying the same things about the same rider.
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Aggressive riding has always been there, and always will be because a motorcycle -- let's face it -- is the devil incarnate. That's why there are rules (and the existing ones are adequate, no need for new ones); but these rules have NOT been properly enforced at race start at Rio Hondo. That would have prevented all this useless drama.
But there seem to be huge media interests in allowing the drama to develop. This new age of "motorcycle racing" in which the media and commentators are transforming it in a reality show, really has me worried -- much more than any aggressive riding in the world.
But there seem to be huge media interests in allowing the drama to develop. This new age of "motorcycle racing" in which the media and commentators are transforming it in a reality show, really has me worried -- much more than any aggressive riding in the world.
Exactly. It risks become yet another narrative based sport.
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Totally J$.
There are plenty of rules in place now to 'punish' the transgressors and to easily identify what should be punished in what way ................. they just need the balls to do it but they are seriously restricted because of the need for 'a show'.
FFS, get back to it being a sport (yes I know, old days, old minds are long gone) and manage it as a sport first and foremost, not (as Michael says) a stage managed production of the 'made for tv' variety
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The thing here is that these so called journalists, would be unemployable if they didn't suck up to the Rossi myth. What newspaper would employ a journalist who only worked stories to their own view?
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Maybe I should have said he's joining the ever growing list of riders unhappy with MMs wild riding.
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Didn't affect him though in Argentina did it, he was on holiday at the back.
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Exactly this. We're back to double standards again. I too have been critical of Marquez, especially in his early MotoGP days, so at least i've been consistent.
The people who called Lorenzo a moaner are now jumping on the bandwagon when Rossi moans about the exact same thing. Double standards.
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I'm proposing rule changes.
Passing maneuver.
The rider approaching from behind turns on the turn light, requesting pass.
The rider in front looks into mirrors and gives a sign of acknowledgement with his signal light.
Then, and only then, the passing maneuver can be started.
Passing maneuver.
The rider approaching from behind turns on the turn light, requesting pass.
The rider in front looks into mirrors and gives a sign of acknowledgement with his signal light.
Then, and only then, the passing maneuver can be started.
Why not just use mapping8?
I agree that it is up to the rider doing the overtake to do it safely and sometimes Marc goes in too hard. I don't think anyone on here has disputed that, they would be nuts if they did.
The general beef is the lack of consistency in terms of both journalistic and disciplinary treatment especially when juxtaposed with Vale.
In relation to the problem being that Marc rides a track like he is alone, it could also be argued that it is also because he rides a track like nobody else (on the current roster) can.
Except he is member number 1, he complained in 2013 to the jeers of the Valeban. Of course in 2013 he complained about Marquez's aggression and then in the next two races left rubber marks on both Marquez and Pedrosa.
It's ridiculous this incident might be the catalyst for positive change though. There's been so many worse ones in even just the past 5 years, yet nothing has been said or changed because it wasn't Rossi on the receiving end.
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