Rossi says relationship with Marquez “can never be recovered”

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MM was much faster than the rest that day. It's not that difficult to believe, but you need to rewatch the race and analyse his actions and lap times with a critical mind.
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Because Marquez had faster pace in the closing stages at Phillip Island 15 is your "proof" his pace was dubious race fixing, your ironclad evidence is the lap chart and his obvious visible dash to the win, wilst before it 'appeared' he played with the field. Therefore, we should forevermore henceforth declare all races where the eventual winner displayed this above characteristics of superior pace in the last laps as dubious and worthy of your scorn. Oh dear, I hope you never watch races from 2001 to 2005.
 
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What questions did I sidestep? Probably just repetitions of a theme?

"Tyre management" is like "mind games", an umbrella term to "support" any stupid argument, i.e. ......... Neither makes any sense in this case. The magnitude and timing of the pace changes by MM has nothing to do with tyre problems. His tyres did in fact look very fresh after the race. His crew were desperate to cover them when he got to the podium... JL's and AI's didn't...

I don't think the rest of the comments so far deserve further consideration from me? It's just more no no no no no no no...

Well, there you have it folks. Marquez's tires were black and round at the end of the race. Tire management? Lies! Never heard of such ......... The tires were black and round, it was right there on TV. If the tire fits you must acquit.

No no no.
 
You have to be specific about what you mean by "tyre management". A generic mention to tyre management does not explain anything.

Was MM doing "tyre management" in Sepang too? Sure, and in Valencia right? Of course! he was managing his and Pedrosa's tyres...:D

What was I thinking...

Translation: the only application of "tire management" I shall accept is the "tire management" that "proves" Marquez is a cheater.

So what do the lap charts for Rossi and Marquez "prove" for Sepang? Was Rossi slowed down?
 
Marquez didn't even TRY to pass in a track where Rossi passed 20 riders in a few laps.

If you do nothing else on this forum, (which is quite frankly a genuine recommendation as much as it is a hypothetical scenario) - I challenge you to stand by the validity of this statement. Unbelievable. You do appreciate that such irrationality not only damages your cause but the overall tenuous credibility of your ilk. Seriously, we've encountered some ........ on this forum over the past decade, but this statement alone soars to new levels of stratospheric stupidity.

Lorenzo had a tyre problem and dropped his pace a lot in the last 4-5 laps.

'Lorenzo had a tyre problem and dropped his pace a lot' - He dropped his pace 'a lot'. Very precise...Strange that you have resisted the temptation to create another graph in Excel to illustrate that. Perhaps you should.

Marquez was all over him and clearly avoiding to pass at the same time he protected him from closing in Dani.

Marquez was all over him, and clearly avoiding to pass but simultaneously protected him from Dani? You neglected to add his post race plate spinning party trick in the Repsol Honda hospitality tent.

Rossi had no reason to push too hard as he had nothing to gain.

How about a tenth World Title? Rossi ran the race times that he was capable of and his pace had been way off the front three all weekend. Doesn't mean he wasn't pushing. He's a racer, he ran as close to the edge as he could afford. Anything could have happened up front...particularly if Marquez had made a desperate lunge on Lorenzo - which you maintain, purely based upon your subjective skewed supposition and flawed perspective/spatial awareness, he never intended to do. How long have you been watching this sport? You seem to be utterly impervious to the unpredictable and chaotic nature of the game. I was about to say it's not deterministic, (but at the risk of tempting out the tin foil brigade, several of Rossi's titles himself may well provide evidence to the contrary). Anything can happen. To suggest Rossi's lap times were lower than they could have been because he backed off is disrespectful to him as a racer. Though not in contention, he rode as hard as he could - because you may or may not have noticed from Argentina alone, it's not unusual in this sport to pick up the pieces.

It is possible he didn't have the pace to stay with the top 3, but we'll never know that and it's not in conflict with the fact that Lorenzo would have been 3rd if Marc had actually raced.

Interesting that this time, anything that indicts Marc or Lorenzo is 'fact' whereas when it comes to Rossi's potential - 'we'll never know'. I think the word you were looking for was factoid - you seem to struggle to differentiate between the two.

'If Marc had actually raced' Let's examine that, although you seem to think that you already have albeit from the relative comfort of your armchair perspective.

Jorge Lorenzo confirmed Valentino's fears by disappearing at the front. Track temperatures (why not make a graph for that too?) were similar to the previous day - sufficiently high to cause problems for the hardest option front tire as the race progressed which was particularly detrimental to the Hondas. Márquez insists that was right on the limit simply trying to remain with Lorenzo, far less pass him, and cites the gap between the two which fluctuated throughout. Márquez pushed hard to close up on Lorenzo, but only really faster than the Spaniard in the second sector, Turn 6 being the only viable option for a pass. It is also noteworthy that the race was eleven seconds faster than the previous GP in dry conditions which was two years before. As I mentioned, the superior mechanical grip of the M1 and the drive out of the turn meant that Márquez following the same strategy he had employed at both Indianapolis and Assen. By stalking the rider in front without challenging for most of the race, he sprung his attack in the final laps, in the case of Assen, through Gert Timmer chicane the final corner of the race. You seem to have no conception of the relative characteristics of the bikes and the circuit. Throughout the season, Márquez attacked where the Honda is stronger, the Yamaha hit back in the area where the M1 was similarly able to exploit its strength.

By Valencia, Marquez had been duly admonished by Race Direction. Racing against racing the title protagonist, he was never primed to pass cleanly and at the ludicrous pace that Lorenzo setting without a major risk of crashing or taking them both out. The 'Stones held out well, but lap times tailed off for Jorge, Marc and Dani - the latter having to slow due to an overheating front. Revisit my posts from last year, during which time I spent much of the season debating with Jum the relative strengths of the RCV and the M1. I always maintained that the mechanical grip of the Yam made it the preferred weapon of choice over the savage, ruthless uncompromising power delivery of the Honda. Perhaps nowhere was this more graphically evident than Valencia - unless your view was tainted by yellow smoke and similarly tinted spectacles. Lorenzo drove out of the final corner to launch down the straight with enough advantage to easily ward off the Hondas in the braking zone into Turn 1. Turn 6 was the only place where Márquez had the pace to pass Lorenzo, but he could never accomplish that cleanly in previous laps, and was frustrated by a resurgent Pedrosa in the closing stages of the race.

Perhaps most significantly you assume that conveniently overlooking the ailing grip of the Hondas, had Marquez have passed Lorenzo, Dani could have done so too with ease and Jorge would have had no answer to either of them. But then, let's remind ourselves.. 'Lorenzo had a tyre problem and dropped his pace a lot in the last 4-5 laps'. Genius. You bizarrely maintain, that like Philip Island and Sepang, Marquez somehow single handedly orchestrated the main players and events of each race.

I genuinely struggle to understand why you inflict this upon yourself and humiliate you and your ilk with such utter drivel. Honestly, haven't you got some graphs you can be getting on with instead? It's not as though you don't need the practice.
 
Yes, Marquez intentionally raced against Rossi out of resentment and personal rivalry, and of course the Spaniards avoided racing Lorenzo hard in the final race to make sure a Spaniard won the title (not that Lorenzo really needed it, but then he didn't have to worry about them either, which helps).

Not true about Marquez and Pedrosa failing ro "race" Lorenzo hard at Valencia! You are confusing what is RACING. It does not mean overtaking. It means strategy and pushing to beat your rival, which is what Lorenzo did, pushing to the point of not letting his rivals overtake him without considerable risk--RACING.

Lorenzo didn’t have to worry about them? Because Marquez wasn't on his ... the entire race? Marc, the man who you question his integrity wilst at the same time seeing that Pedrosa was most of the race 2 seconds adrift? Who was more obvious then of his lack of willingness to challenge Lorenzo, the guy on his ... or the guy giving him breathing room? Hey, Pedrosa is guilt then, right?

Let me tell you who did NOT race at Valencia. All those riders, predominantly ITALIANS who moved out of the way for Rossi. Have you heard Rossi accuse them of not racing? Have you heard Rossi accuse them of cheating or race fixing? How about you J4rn0, have you accused those riders of not racing?
 
The point is that the fight for the title wasn't fair. Rossi wasn't just racing Lorenzo. Lorenzo only won thanks to MM's actions, otherwise VR would have won the title easily.

THAT is reality.

Period.

Case closed.

Boom.

Content Warning: Look ....... (.)(.)
 
If you do nothing else on this forum, (which is quite frankly a genuine recommendation as much as it is a hypothetical scenario) - I challenge you to stand by the validity of this statement. Unbelievable. You do appreciate that such irrationality not only damages your cause but the overall tenuous credibility of your ilk. Seriously, we've encountered some ........ on this forum over the past decade, but this statement alone soars to new levels of stratospheric stupidity.
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I genuinely struggle to understand why you inflict this upon yourself and humiliate you and your ilk with such utter drivel.

Rossi made 20 passes at Valencia, Marquez made none! (Well actually, Rossi made less than 20 but very close to 20, Marquez made 1 pass, but very close to none. Because 1 is very close to 0.)

Tadah! Marquez is a cheater.
 
Rossi made 20 passes at Valencia, Marquez made none! (Well actually, Rossi made less than 20 but very close to 20, Marquez made 1 pass, but very close to none. Because 1 is very close to 0.)

Tadah! Marquez is a cheater.


Rossi 'passing' Petrucci at Valencia while Petrucci goes .... hunting in the crowd


 
Petrossi going out of camera shot is hilarious. It's like he universe jumps.

"This is racing."

Content Warning: Look ....... (.)(.)
 
Unfortunately for Rossi. he wasnt bright enough to make it look like a racing incident. He cracked and showed his intent, leaving RD no choice but to punish him.

I'm definitely willing to bet Rossi is quite brighter than you.
 
Well, "The Worst" has been rather quiet this morning. Shame, I;d love to see some of his ........ responses to Jumkie and Arrabb's latests posts
 
Well, "The Worst" has been rather quiet this morning. Shame, I;d love to see some of his ........ responses to Jumkie and Arrabb's latests posts



He'll be along when "the time" is right matey. You have a pm
 
I'm definitely willing to bet Rossi is quite brighter than you.

No doubt he is a better rider, but the average poster here would likely smoke his ... in an aptitude test. He is however smart enough to keep his personal life off the internet . Wouldnt look good for him or his brand, if say he was dumb enough to leave his personal info laying around blogs bragging about fleecing hookers.
 
No doubt he is a better rider, but the average poster here would likely smoke his ... in an aptitude test. He is however smart enough to keep his personal life off the internet . Wouldnt look good for him or his brand, if say he was dumb enough to leave his personal info laying around blogs bragging about fleecing hookers.

Yeah but Povol, whether you believe me or not, I didn't fleece any hookers. If I was going to sign up for a hooker "forum", I'd definitely use a different name.

And what would you point to that indicates he would get smoked in an aptitude?
 
Well, "The Worst" has been rather quiet this morning. Shame, I;d love to see some of his ........ responses to Jumkie and Arrabb's latests posts

Even the worst of us must fine time to rest, my friend...
 
Yeah but Povol, whether you believe me or not, I didn't fleece any hookers. If I was going to sign up for a hooker "forum", I'd definitely use a different name.

And what would you point to that indicates he would get smoked in an aptitude?

These guys eat breath and live bike racing from the time they are 5 years old and the huge majority of them have nor want to do with anything else. I would put big money on most of the posters here, especially ones like Arrabiata in a Wonderlic test showdown. They [riders] may travel the world, but that doesnt make them worldly.
 

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