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You guys are desperate because you KNOW what really happened but are unable to accept it.

If you guys had to bet your lives on this issue, I wonder how many would be stupid enough to die saying Marquez never interferred. It can't be that many. You can't possibly be THAT stupid.
All these .......s using argumentum ad hominem against you. And on the contrary the chagrin would appear to be all yours.

I am waiting for you to take over RD and bring your personal inventions of the effort measurer and the performance ensurer with you, perhaps you can employ pre-existing devices for the latter such as a whip or go more high tech and use electronic shocks.

Even apart from anything else, and in particular that even you can't possibly dispute that whatever tactics MM employed for whatever reason were race-winning tactics, I am interested to hear how exactly it is possible to mandate at which level above what is possible for anyone else MM is to ride? There was some bloke called Dani Pedrosa on a bike which also had Repsol Honda stickers on it who won the previous race and dominated the next race, and in fact the whole next race week-end, who finished 5 seconds down the track at PI 2015. Points penalties if he rides at only 103% of what should be possible rather than 105% perhaps?
 
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You guys are desperate because you KNOW what really happened but are unable to accept it.

Desperate, you mean like joining a forum with the sole intent on convincing everyone that what Valentino Rossi said was true, and that he also did nothing wrong?

No, I wouldn't bet my life on this issue. For I have one outside of this forum. Sadly for you, it looks like you don't have one outside of Rossi worshipping. What would happen if we all said yes we agree with you?
 
Had MM raced "normally", the results would have been:

Valencia
1) Marquez
2) Pedrosa
3) Lorenzo
4) Rossi (maybe 3rd, let's say 4th)

This in particular is laughable. Can I suggest that you make another one of your fabled graphs to scrutinise the lap times.

Rossi's race pace was simply not up to that of the front three. Lorenzo and Márquez ran laps of between 1'31.5 and 1'31.9 for most of the duration of the race. Pedrosa ran laps of 1'31.7, fell back due to an overheating front tyre to lapping between 1'31.9s and 1'32s, then after a final push recorded a 1'31.5 to catch the leaders. Further evidence that riders pace can fluctuate during a race and is not necessarily of nefarious intent.

Rossi, on the other hand, was clocking consistent 1'32.1 and 1'32.2. Although fast enough to secure fourth, was not remotely sufficient for the win. Even if Rossi had started from the front row of the grid, and not had to battle through the pack for one third race distance, - (although perhaps 'battle' is a complimentary term given the riders mindful of the 'unwritten law' that all but dismounted to let him through) - he simply lacked the pace to beat the pace to overcome the two Factory Honda's far less Lorenzo.

Also consider that Valencia is a very hard circuit to make a clean pass. The last thing MM needed was to skittle the Spanish champion elect. Aside from that, the punch that the M1 was getting out of the turn due to superior mechanical grip made this virtually impossible given the lap times that Lorenzo as hammering out a fact that was clearly evident to even those with a cursory passing interest in the sport...(that'll be a high percentage of Rossi fans then). I'm amazed that even you missed it.
 
Making it look like a racing incident would've meant blocking or cutting off Marc at full race speeds putting both riders at more risk. Rossi was wrong and punished for his actions, but the way he did what he did was far better than if he wanted to make it look like a true racing incident.

That should be the end of the conversation but as we know, there are certain mindless followers of the cult who will never admit what Rossi did was wrong. As for this particular incident, Rossi chose a very slow corner to send a message. Had he not looked over and sized up his target, he may very well have gotten away with it, but he left no doubt about his intent which made it cut and dry.
 
This in particular is laughable. Can I suggest that you make another one of your fabled graphs to scrutinise the lap times.

Rossi's race pace was simply not up to that of the front three. Lorenzo and Márquez ran laps of between 1'31.5 and 1'31.9 for most of the duration of the race. Pedrosa ran laps of 1'31.7, fell back due to an overheating front tyre to lapping between 1'31.9s and 1'32s, then after a final push recorded a 1'31.5 to catch the leaders. Further evidence that riders pace can fluctuate during a race and is not necessarily of nefarious intent.

Rossi, on the other hand, was clocking consistent 1'32.1 and 1'32.2. Although fast enough to secure fourth, was not remotely sufficient for the win. Even if Rossi had started from the front row of the grid, and not had to battle through the pack for one third race distance, - (although perhaps 'battle' is a complimentary term given the riders mindful of the 'unwritten law' that all but dismounted to let him through) - he simply lacked the pace to beat the pace to overcome the two Factory Honda's far less Lorenzo.

Also consider that Valencia is a very hard circuit to make a clean pass. The last thing MM needed was to skittle the Spanish champion elect. Aside from that, the punch that the M1 was getting out of the turn due to superior mechanical grip made this virtually impossible given the lap times that Lorenzo as hammering out a fact that was clearly evident to even those with a cursory passing interest in the sport...(that'll be a high percentage of Rossi fans then). I'm amazed that even you missed it.

Marquez didn't even TRY to pass in a track where Rossi passed 20 riders in a few laps. Lorenzo had a tyre problem and dropped his pace a lot in the last 4-5 laps. Marquez was all over him and clearly avoiding to pass at the same time he protected him from closing in Dani. Rossi had no reason to push too hard as he had nothing to gain. It is possible he didn't have the pace to stay with the top 3, but we'll never know that and it's not in conflict with the fact that Lorenzo would have been 3rd if Marc had actually raced.
 
This in particular is laughable. Can I suggest that you make another one of your fabled graphs to scrutinise the lap times.

Rossi's race pace was simply not up to that of the front three. Lorenzo and Márquez ran laps of between 1'31.5 and 1'31.9 for most of the duration of the race. Pedrosa ran laps of 1'31.7, fell back due to an overheating front tyre to lapping between 1'31.9s and 1'32s, then after a final push recorded a 1'31.5 to catch the leaders. Further evidence that riders pace can fluctuate during a race and is not necessarily of nefarious intent.

Rossi, on the other hand, was clocking consistent 1'32.1 and 1'32.2. Although fast enough to secure fourth, was not remotely sufficient for the win. Even if Rossi had started from the front row of the grid, and not had to battle through the pack for one third race distance, - (although perhaps 'battle' is a complimentary term given the riders mindful of the 'unwritten law' that all but dismounted to let him through) - he simply lacked the pace to beat the pace to overcome the two Factory Honda's far less Lorenzo.

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Lets not forget that Rossi qualified 12th for Valencia not that it would have mattered. Like you said, and most of us said even before the race, Rossi would get 4th by default, and unless the others had a problem, that was his spot no matter what. He simply did not have the pace the entire weekend to compete with the top 3. In the end, he was much better off starting at the tail of the field with a 7 point lead than he would have been starting even 4th with a 9 point deficit, which is what should have happened. He would have had to win the race with Lorenzo 4th and that .... wasnt happening.
 
Lets not forget that Rossi qualified 12th for Valencia not that it would have mattered. Like you said, and most of us said even before the race, Rossi would get 4th by default, and unless the others had a problem, that was his spot no matter what. He simply did not have the pace the entire weekend to compete with the top 3. In the end, he was much better off starting at the tail of the field with a 7 point lead than he would have been starting even 4th with a 9 point deficit, which is what should have happened. He would have had to win the race with Lorenzo 4th and that .... wasnt happening.
And ironically rather than MM's actions having put Rossi in an adverse position as our new friend claims despite the considerable likelihood the MM take-out resulted in a net 3 point gain, Rossi's actions and previous claims also led to MM being specifically admonished for racing a contender too hard.
 
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That's "reality" for you? Great start...

Yes, that's the only precedent. .............
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No way man, that's maybe one of the few precedents fully recorded in video. Which is different. There is another video clip that comes to mind, so famous that I don't even bother digging it out: Biaggi's elbowing Rossi out of the track at high speed in 500, year 2000. And Rossi showing him the finger after passing him shortly afterwards. Bad enough.

Think how many of these things must have happened far from the cameras... The current series started in 1949. If you talk to the older riders, at any level, they will tell you stories. Forty years ago Phil Read and Angel Nieto, were famous for their dirty tricks; also many others. I heard enough of these stories and saw some happening with my own eyes.

That's the weak point of the entire Rossi argument imo: he said that such things are "unprecedented"... Which makes everybody smile, because everybody in the paddock knows how things are and had seen what was happening, but no rules had been broken and of course nobody, especially RD, was willing to open such a can of worms without a case. He did open it on his own, but I think he regretted it soon enough. Of course now he can only insist he was right, he's so proud. Maybe when he writes his second book he will say something different.
 
This is exactly what i would like to see,put him right on the spot in front of the worlds media so everyone can see what the guy is really like....

Friend, this would reveal nothing to a fanbase that has already had plenty of opportunities and examples of what Rossi is really like.

I'm reminded of a example I read recently, paraphrasing:

If Rossi was found to use ground up puppies in his fuel tank, his fans would conclude, you know it's a fact there is a problem with puppy overpopulation, we just have too many puppies in the world, they are ruining the environment, Rossi is doing the right thing, we should all grind up bags of puppies and use them for fuel, don't let their cute innocence fool you, they are evil, and they must be eliminated....
 
It makes a lot of sense. MM robs him of a world title, then goes and offers him his hand... of course! Why wouldn't Rossi be in conciliatory mood right? What difference does it make one more championship when you already have nine? Seriously guys, did you have an overdose of Disney crap when you were kids or what?

Neither Rossi nor ANYBODY IN THIS WORLD would ever forgive something like that, it's impossible. IMPOSSIBLE. Rossi KNOWS what Marquez did, Yamaha KNOW what Marquez did, Dorna KNOWS what Marquez did. EVERY ONE IN THE F PADDOCK KNOWS what Marquez did. Everyone. Marquez has no choice but to keep lying now, he has to go all the way with all that ........ for the rest of his career. It works with some people, so it's worth to keep trying to save face. It is as simple as that.
Truly fascinating. You have all the proof you need. Case closed.

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Friend, this would reveal nothing to a fanbase that has already had plenty of opportunities and examples of what Rossi is really like.

I'm reminded of a example I read recently, paraphrasing:

If Rossi was found to use ground up puppies in his fuel tank, his fans would conclude, you know it's a fact there is a problem with puppy overpopulation, we just have too many puppies in the world, they are ruining the environment, Rossi is doing the right thing, we should all grind up bags of puppies and use them for fuel, don't let their cute innocence fool you, they are evil, and they must be eliminated....

I quoted that from Dean Adams latest Soupkast.
 
Sorry but can't remember anyone in Laguna 2008 involved in race fixing, i.e. riding slower than his potential, against his and his team's interests, purely to impede another rider? Did that ever happen in Rossi vs Biaggi/Sete/Stoner? Please educate me.
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Educate you? Clearly racecraft strategy is not where you lack education.

Rossi has conceded, his strategy to beat Stoner at Laguna 08 was to disrupt the Australian's rhythm, to 'slow Casey down' because Rossi knew, Stoner had faster pace (Rossi recognized he was slower than Stoner).

If you are correct, and Marquez tried to slow down Rossi, then Marc was employing the exact same strategy for a podium position as Laguna 08. There is no rule against strategy to beat your rival. You can chose to try and push ahead (something that particularly failed for Marc in 2015, or you can try and disrupt your rival, up until Sepang, a seemingly acceptable strategy employed by Rossi).

Neither Marc nor Rossi were fast enough to win Sepang, they were only fast enough to contest the 3rd position. Your "proof" of foul play is in your supposed confidence in the evidence of lap times, however, Rossi was not any faster after he illegally and quite dastardly disposed of Marquez. So much for your smoking gun. (Or perhaps your lap charts are only admissible in the case of Phillip Island, but inadmissible in the case of Sepang? )

If slowing down a faster rider is not an acceptable strategy, then by YOUR standard, Rossi is a cheater, worthy of your scorn for what he did at Laguna 08, which he confessed.
 
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