Rossi says relationship with Marquez “can never be recovered”

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Want to be reminded of reality? I'll oblige one last time.

Oh look, the saviour is here to tell us how life really is. Where would we be without you?


Note that the one playing .... was Gresini there; the punch was just an exasperated Spaan running out of patience. But of course it was Spaan who "broke" the rules...

So if a young woman wears a very short skirt or provocative clothing and got ....., you would excuse the rapist from "breaking" the law?

As Race Direction said, no matter what Rossi felt Marquez was doing, he CANNOT react in that manner

EDIT: In accordance with your edit, I agree. Rossi should have kept his agression in check.
 
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not that Lorenzo really needed it

That's "reality" for you? Great start...

Spaan etc...

Yes, that's the only precedent. So what. Are we justifying it happening agains just because something similar happened before? Is it ok to take your rival for the tittle out on purpose like Capirossi 1998 because it's happened before? What is your point mate...

Those who are just a little older here and have seen enough racing know very well that targeting other riders in a personal way has always been happening, for a variety of reasons.

True, but the issue here is the people that simply flat out deny it. Which is an insult to intelligence.

he should have kept quiet and focused on being fast

The point is that the fight for the title wasn't fair. Rossi wasn't just racing Lorenzo. Lorenzo only won thanks to MM's actions, otherwise VR would have won the title easily.

THAT is reality.
 
EVERYBODY DUCK!!!
JUMKIE TORNADO ALERT!!!:D
Hahaha! Little Red this had me rolling this morning. Thanx bro.

No worries, I think peeps got this one covered. Besides, Iannone testified on behalf of Rossi, in the words of Arrabi : case closed.

Or in Gekko's: boom.
 
What a group of self-righteous virgins. Admirable. I would have loved racing in your gentlemen clubs. :)

Want to be reminded of reality? I'll oblige one last time.

Yes, Marquez intentionally raced against Rossi out of resentment and personal rivalry, and of course the Spaniards avoided racing Lorenzo hard in the final race to make sure a Spaniard won the title (not that Lorenzo really needed it, but then he didn't have to worry about them either, which helps).

I often wonder what reality you reside in that you know exactly what Marquez was doing without having a shred of proof other than your own belief.

Sounds almost like Mike Webb claiming something was amiss in spite of zero evidence to back up his belief/assertions. In fact, it sounds no different from the rest of the journalists who all backed up Mike Webb's claims even though if you asked them what proof there was, they'd be unable to tell you anything other than saying, "Well I believe it to be so, therefore it must be so."

Meanwhile, not a single one of them dared to challenge Rossi's lunacy at the pre-Sepang press conference, instead choosing to take his word at face value, even though he had many reasons to throw MM under the bus since it was a convenient way to hide the fact that he was melting down from the pressure of not being fast enough on race day.

So let's consider this:

Rossi makes unsupportable and tenuous claims: Journalists and fans think it must be true because it falls in line with the myth of Rossi as a mostly honorable man who does little to nothing wrong.

Lorenzo and Marquez both deny any Spanish conspiracy, and Lorenzo points out if there were a conspiracy, MM would have let him win at Phillip Island because it would have given him more points rather than less. In addition, with 2 races to go on the calendar, there were any number of variables that could have negatively impacted Jorge Lorenzo at Sepang or Valencia; mechanical failure, crash, poor performance. He needed every point possible to try and win the title. Something that a Spanish conspiracy would have ensured.

You think because Gresini & Co. helped Capirossi in 1990, this is somehow proof there was a Spanish conspiracy in 2015? Christ, talk about grasping for straws.
 
Had MM raced "normally", the results would have been:

Philip Island
1) Marquez
2) Ianonne
3) Rossi (could have been 2nd, but let's say 3rd)
4) Lorenzo

Sepang
1) Pedrosa/Marquez
2) Pedrosa/Marquez
3) Lorenzo
4) Rossi

Valencia
1) Marquez
2) Pedrosa
3) Lorenzo
4) Rossi (maybe 3rd, let's say 4th)

And Rossi would have been world champion by 15 points.
 
Had MM raced "normally", the results would have been:

Philip Island
1) Marquez
2) Ianonne
3) Rossi (could have been 2nd, but let's say 3rd)
4) Lorenzo

Sepang
1) Pedrosa/Marquez
2) Pedrosa/Marquez
3) Lorenzo
4) Rossi

Valencia
1) Marquez
2) Pedrosa
3) Lorenzo
4) Rossi (maybe 3rd, let's say 4th)

And he would have won it by 15 points.

"Raced normally"....really?

Oh shut the .... up already you worthless .....

You're a ....... ......

Give Marquez the position and points he was in before he crashed out of a number of races and he'd be a triple world champion heading into this season. See I can do the what if too.
 
"Raced normally"....really?

Oh shut the .... up already you worthless .....

You're a ....... ......

Give Marquez the position and points he was in before he crashed out of a number of races and he'd be a triple world champion heading into this season. See I can do the what if too.

Sorry mate, you don't have the intellectual stature to ever be able to offend me.

You'll need to be born again and be far luckier in the genetic lottery.
 
What a group of self-righteous virgins. Admirable. I would have loved racing in your gentlemen clubs. :)

Want to be reminded of reality? I'll oblige one last time.

Yes, Marquez intentionally raced against Rossi out of resentment and personal rivalry, and of course the Spaniards avoided racing Lorenzo hard in the final race to make sure a Spaniard won the title (not that Lorenzo really needed it, but then he didn't have to worry about them either, which helps).

Nothing new under the sun actually. Some Italians did the same with Dutch racer Spaan at PI in 1990, to help young Capirossi secure his first title (Spaan's angry ... at Gresini's helmet was recorded and is now on YouTube -
).

Note that the one playing .... was Gresini there; the punch was just an exasperated Spaan running out of patience. But of course it was Spaan who "broke" the rules...

Those who are just a little older here and have seen enough racing know very well that targeting other riders in a personal way has always been happening, for a variety of reasons. When entire parts of the tracks were not even covered by any camera, one could see riders elbowing and pushing each other around without restraint during close racing.

Now it is more delicate, because at the top level there are cameras everywhere, even (literally) on riders' ..... and noses, so everything gets recorded. But one can still do a lot without formally breaking any rules. The devil is always in the details.

Rossi himself, although he's not a dangerous rider, has a bag full of tricks and hard tactics; that's why he should have kept quiet and focused on being fast, while keeping his own nerves under check.

That's reality.
Amen.


Yes J4rno Rossi was amazingly fast last year all things considered, but not quite fast enough.

I don't think too many people are professing to be dispassionate, with the exception of Worst, I certainly do not, and on the basis of this post you are no longer doing so either, with which I am fine
 
Sorry mate, you don't have the intellectual stature to ever be able to offend me.

You'll need to be born again and be far luckier in the genetic lottery.

I don't have to worry about intellectual stature since you showed your ... by conveniently ignoring Marquez left enough points on the table over the season, that if he had used more caution, all of those points would have vaulted him past both Rossi and Lorenzo for the title. Try again ........
 
Had MM raced "normally", the results would have been:

Philip Island
1) Marquez
2) Ianonne
3) Rossi (could have been 2nd, but let's say 3rd)
4) Lorenzo

Sepang
1) Pedrosa/Marquez
2) Pedrosa/Marquez
3) Lorenzo
4) Rossi

Valencia
1) Marquez
2) Pedrosa
3) Lorenzo
4) Rossi (maybe 3rd, let's say 4th)

And Rossi would have been world champion by 15 points.

IF IF IF. IF Lorenzo hadn't broken his collarbone, he'd have been the 2013 WC. If Marquez hadn't crashed out of so many races, he'd be the 2015 champ. IF Stoner hadn't had lactose illness, he'd be the 2009 champ.

Stop your whining, your boy lost.
 
IF IF IF. IF Lorenzo hadn't broken his collarbone, he'd have been the 2013 WC.

Possibly, but it was his own fault that he crashed. Nobody interferred with him. Nothing to do with what we're talking about.

If Marquez hadn't crashed out of so many races, he'd be the 2015 champ.

Possibly, but he did crash all on his own. Nothing to do with his antiRossi plot.
 
IF IF IF. IF Lorenzo hadn't broken his collarbone, he'd have been the 2013 WC. If Marquez hadn't crashed out of so many races, he'd be the 2015 champ. IF Stoner hadn't had lactose illness, he'd be the 2009 champ.

Stop your whining, your boy lost.

IF Casey hadn't gone on a long holiday in 2012 he would have been champion over Lorenzo....IMHO
 
Had MM raced "normally", the results would have been:

Philip Island
1) Marquez
2) Ianonne
3) Rossi (could have been 2nd, but let's say 3rd)
4) Lorenzo

Sepang
1) Pedrosa/Marquez
2) Pedrosa/Marquez
3) Lorenzo
4) Rossi

Valencia
1) Marquez
2) Pedrosa
3) Lorenzo
4) Rossi (maybe 3rd, let's say 4th)

And Rossi would have been world champion by 15 points.

MM "had the pace" to win the PI 2014 race by 6.5 seconds, given he was 4.11 seconds ahead after 17 laps. Unfortunately he didn't complete any of the next 10 laps at that pace, nor did he finish 6 of the next 16 races, which may have made some contribution to him not being in contention for the title by PI 2015. Are you really suggesting he was under an obligation to continue to ride like an ..... because it would have advanced your boy's chances?
 
Possibly, but it was his own fault that he crashed. Nobody interferred with him. Nothing to do with what we're talking about.

Well technically it is, because it was Rossi's own fault he wasn't fast enough to be out front.

Keep trying little boy, what colour is the sky on your planet? Yellow?

IF Casey hadn't gone on a long holiday in 2012 he would have been champion over Lorenzo....IMHO

Agreed, I missed that one.
 
Well technically it is, because it was Rossi's own fault he wasn't fast enough to be out front.

Rossi had a 18 point advantage before PI, he did not have to be at the front at all times just because one psycho rider was after him. He just had to finish each race right after Lorenzo and he would have been champion. Which he would have easily done.
 
Woulda coulda shoulda.

Your argument just proved my point. While he was scrapping with Pedrosa in Aragon, Iannone in PI and Marquez in Sepang, Lorenzo checked out. So to win the championship, he DID have to be at the front, as Lorenzo was.

Oh this is fun. How many more excuses can you come up with?
 
It's debatable if VR broke any rules, but I never said MM broke any rules, he didn't, that's why VR was helpless. But that's another debate, are we denying what MM did or are we saying he did it but it wasn't against the rules.

Uh no, as a matter of fact, its the only piece of this entire ordeal thats not debatable. It was so obvious even he knew he couldnt deny it, hence his admission that he purposely ran Marquez wide which in turn caused him to crash. Boppers.
 

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