Rossi says relationship with Marquez “can never be recovered”

The Worst said:

RD made the wrong decision. What VR actually did and did not do, and it's all recorded for anyone to see, did not break any rules. They made an interpretation of the facts under pressure.

In Motegi VR was racing to get the best result for himself, which is what he is supposed to do. MM rode against his own interests purely to interfere with another rider.

Not that difficult to understand.

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So you guys are ok with riders slowing to impede some and favour other riders? You're ok with say a football team playing to lose? "Win" at any cost as long as your hated rider loses?

No, we are not. But you seem to be ok with Rossi ....... around with other riders (Like Lorenzo at Motegi to name but one), you just don't like it when he is on the recieving end.

You win the award for bopper of the year.

#22 said:

No, we are not. But you seem to be ok with Rossi ....... around with other riders (Like Lorenzo at Motegi to name but one), you just don't like it when he is on the recieving end.

You win the award for bopper of the year.

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Rossi raced. Marquez didn't.

And your proof, outside of a ...... unreadable lap chart is?

Rossi wasn't racing Marquez when he pushed him wide either. He intended to '.... with his race', the exact thing you accuse Marquez of doing

yamfan said:

In Sepang Marquez didn't have any pace to go with Dani, he was struggling with front tyre grip and a full tank. Even in qualifying he almost crashed due to losing the front. Dani is much smaller and rides totally differently. On this day his style suited the track.
In Valencia Lorenzo set the lap record and circulated at this pace throughout. Marquez never slowed as he was struggling to stay with Lorenzo, he was mindful of making a lunge and taking out Lorenzo as he was warned not to by race direction following Rossi invoking his "unwritten rule".

Care to talk about the unwritten rule?

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Only in lap 2 Marquez set a lap time, a 2:00.8, much faster than Rossi could have achieved that day, as Rossi was fast losing ground to the leaders. MM had to do high 2:01s for Rossi to catch him.

The unwritten rule is to RESPECT those fighting for the championship when you're not, it's NOT about not racing them.

Valencia was a JOKE. Did you hear what James Ellison said in Valencia live on BT Sport? Maybe he's a Rossi fan too!

The Worst said:

The unwritten rule is to RESPECT those fighting for the championship when you're not, it's NOT about not racing them.

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Respect, got it:

Rossi did his race, he wasn't impeding Lorenzo to favour another rider. Lorenzo had a huge points advantage and won easily that year. I doubt Rossi would have done that if Lorenzo was only 5-10 points clear in the championship. The racing was appropriate and hard but clean.

The Worst said:

Rossi raced. Marquez didn't.

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Both were racing.

Rossi decided he didn't like being challenged in the middle of an incredible duel, slowed MM down and ran him wide with a maneuver that resulted in MM going to the tarmac.

Every move both men made was clean up until Rossi's antics.

#22 said:

No, it's called "Agreeing to Disagree". It is what adults do.

Regarding Laguna Seca 2008, there was sufficient suspicion raised that some people questioned whether Stoner fell off because Rossi brake tested him. Of course I have no proof of this but I can run up some charts on excel that can show the changes in Rossi's laptime that lap to prove he did it, and that it is technically race fixing.

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No mate. That is racing.

The Worst said:

Rossi did his race, he wasn't impeding Lorenzo to favour another rider. Lorenzo had a huge points advantage and won easily that year. I doubt Rossi would have done that if Lorenzo was only 5-10 points clear in the championship. The racing was appropriate and hard but clean.

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No, he was impeding Lorenzo to favour himself. The very reason Yamaha gave him a bollocking after the race.

Funny how you excuse Rossi of the very things you accuse Marquez of. Your lists of excuses and drivel is entertaining though, I'll give you that.

The Worst said:

I have no relationship to other users.

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Ya fu ked yiurself right there Talps.

The Worst said:

At least some of you don't bother to hide all the hate. You guys need to get laid more...

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I .... all the time. I am a fireman. We get laid.

The Worst said:

RD aren't always right are they? Do you think they were right when Capiross won the title by clearly deliberately ramming Harada out of the race?

RD were under pressure to do "something", and they did say that Marquez had not been riding in the spirit of the sport etc. They penalised Rossi more for what it looked like than for what he actually did. He was ahead went wide and slowed down, never took MM off track and left him plenty of space. He did not make intentional contact. What rule, specifically, did he break?

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Delusional.

Think we scared him off, thank god.

Anyone who has ever overtaken anyone else, has by that action impeded anothers championship.

The Worst said:

So you guys are ok with riders slowing to impede some and favour other riders? You're ok with say a football team playing to lose? "Win" at any cost as long as your hated rider loses?

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The problem with your argument being that MM won the ....... race, a rather established fact for which there is very definite class A evidence which you continue to choose to ignore.

michaelm said:

The problem with your argument being that MM won the ....... race, a rather established fact for which there is very definite class A evidence which you continue to choose to ignore.

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You're the one choosing to ignore my posts and keep asking the same questions. I've addressed that before in more than one ocassion.

The Worst said:

Only in lap 2 Marquez set a lap time, a 2:00.8, much faster than Rossi could have achieved that day, as Rossi was fast losing ground to the leaders. MM had to do high 2:01s for Rossi to catch him.

The unwritten rule is to RESPECT those fighting for the championship when you're not, it's NOT about not racing them.

Valencia was a JOKE. Did you hear what James Ellison said in Valencia live on BT Sport? Maybe he's a Rossi fan too!

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What unwritten rule ffs, other than a late season 2015 Rossi rule?

Tony Elias won Estoril 2006, Troy Bayliss led every lap in winning Valencia 2006, Rossi contested Lorenzo at Motegi 2010 and finished ahead in that race, MM won PI 2015.

If you want an analogous situation Mick Doohan dominated the first part of the 1992 season to the point of having an almost unsurpassable lead, but crashed at Assen, nearly losing his leg. He returned for the last 2 races and everyone tried to beat him, with no suggestion of requests from Mick that I recall for riders other than Rainey not to race him, or detraction from Rainey's championship by Mick certainly or anyone else at all that I recall, actual fans of bike racing as most were then realising that it was his problem he fell off his bike, nearly lost his leg, missed all the races and couldn't ride fast enough on one leg on his heroic return.

Valentino wasn't fast enough at the end of last season. All else is excuse making.

What a group of self-righteous virgins. Admirable. I would have loved racing in your gentlemen clubs.

Want to be reminded of reality? I'll oblige one last time.

Yes, Marquez intentionally raced against Rossi out of resentment and personal rivalry, and of course the Spaniards avoided racing Lorenzo hard in the final race to make sure a Spaniard won the title (not that Lorenzo really needed it, but then he didn't have to worry about them either, which helps).

Nothing new under the sun actually. Some Italians did the same with Dutch racer Spaan at PI in 1990, to help young Capirossi secure his first title (Spaan's angry ... at Gresini's helmet was recorded and is now on YouTube -
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Note that the one playing .... was Gresini there; the punch was just an exasperated Spaan running out of patience. But of course it was Spaan who "broke" the rules...

Those who are just a little older here and have seen enough racing know very well that targeting other riders in a personal way has always been happening, for a variety of reasons. When entire parts of the tracks were not even covered by any camera, one could see riders elbowing and pushing each other around without restraint during close racing.

Now it is more delicate, because at the top level there are cameras everywhere, even (literally) on riders' ..... and noses, so everything gets recorded. But one can still do a lot without formally breaking any rules. The devil is always in the details.

Rossi himself, although he's not a dangerous rider, has a bag full of tricks and hard tactics; that's why he should have kept quiet and focused on being fast, while keeping his own nerves under check.

That's reality.
Amen.