Round 5: 2024 Michelin Grand Prix de France - Le Mans Bugatti Circuit

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I'm not a fan of Rossi. Does admiring what someone did make yourself a fan?

For the good or for the bad, what Rossi did made MotoGP grow a lot.
A very good rider however removal of the overnight tyre specials removed most of his margin too.
I personally can't "admire" anybody after the lies and manipulation also used to try and achieve what couldn't be achieved through riding skill alone.
We do not see the current riders doing the same. Good riddance.
 
Just like Rossi. When the likes of those guys are clashing in the front the audience explodes. That's because I look up to Rossi a lot, even always hoping he was beat by the underdog of his epoch. Rossi had incredible influence on the sport interest so much so that I don't think there will be a rider to match what he did in our generation. Maybe next century.
He is the Adolph Hitler of motorsports.
 
Just like Rossi. When the likes of those guys are clashing in the front the audience explodes. That's because I look up to Rossi a lot, even always hoping he was beat by the underdog of his epoch. Rossi had incredible influence on the sport interest so much so that I don't think there will be a rider to match what he did in our generation. Maybe next century.
He was a great rider which absolutely can’t be and shouldn’t be disputed, not liking his personality and “mind games” doesn’t change his talent and achievements, just as disliking MM as many do doesn’t change him being an extraordinary rider.

Some of us on here, and I particularly, are approaching old forgeydom and loved and enjoyed the sport prior to the major commercial expansion in which Rossi certainly had a large role. The current riders including MM should be grateful to him for how much they get paid at least.

I do find the recent barbs against MM from Rossi and the VR46 team petty though, and his attitude to the 2015 title close to delusional. If he is going to maintain it was stolen from him by a conspiracy then he would need to include Dani Pedrosa and Iannone among the conspirators.

I shared some of the reservations others have about MM, but it is clear this season that he just loves racing and eats pressure for breakfast as an Australian sporting coach once put it, and if there is an ultimate GP bike racing competitor it is him.
 
One thing I think that is indisputable about GP racing after watching today's race is win or lose, having Marc in the mix at the front increases the enjoyment/excitement by ten fold. Having him at the front on a non-POS Honda is fantastic. He is no doubt built in the Doohan mold of being absolutely relentless when the pressure is at its highest.

I'll be honest, he's everything I wished Casey could have been.
There was a poster on here back in the olden days who called Casey the FOAT, fastest of all time, and I am not sure he was too far wrong even now.

Casey had close to MM’s talent imo even if his method was different. However all the things Casey hated about the sport MM embraces and thrives on, he is a natural born shark, and Casey was never going to have a career like his, even if in his two peak years when he won the titles he rode as well as anybody ever has, imo only of course.
 
You probably remember it better than myself since I wasn't much into F1 at the time, but I thought Schumacher announced his retirement on his own accord. Also he was already 'old' and not in the middle of his peak.
nah, Schumi was forced to resign with the power struggle between Jean todt and Luca di Montezemelo. The thing is he ddidnt want Kimi as a team mate either so Luca told him to f$%# off
 
Yes, it was a brilliant ride from the Boscoscuro lads. Sergio Garcia especially, has had a cracking start to the season.

Also nice to see Ai up front again. He was so good the year he refused to win the title...
wonder what Ogura wud have done starting much higher in the grid. Last 3 races, he started from 17th and finished 5,6 and 2nd.
 

Yeah I get it, but I’d have more respect for MM if more of his past passing was like those he made today.
Sure. And whether it is because he wants to stay in Ducati’s good graces or any other reason this season shows he can race clean, even coming from 13th on the grid with a probable if minor bike disadvantage compared with his major Ducati rivals.
 
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Kind of amusing to me that back when it was happening, I can’t recall anybody bringing up the fact that during a lot of his career MM did indeed have the fastest bike himself when he was winning a lot.
 
A very good rider however removal of the overnight tyre specials removed most of his margin too.
I personally can't "admire" anybody after the lies and manipulation also used to try and achieve what couldn't be achieved through riding skill alone.
We do not see the current riders doing the same. Good riddance.
As Babelfish was wont to argue the SNS tires were more or less a control tire for the major competitors, although whether they were made for his particular preference is somewhat open to question I guess. Tony Elias rather demonstrated the difference they made though, and Casey Stoner was quite vocal about the quality of the Michelins he was provided with as a non SNS satellite rider for LCR Honda.

It shouldn’t be forgotten that Rossi was 36 in his close but no cigar 2015 season, and while leading the points for much of the season didn’t mean the title should just have been handed to him regardless of late season results he was very competitive with highly elite and much younger opponents.
 
Kind of amusing to me that back when it was happening, I can’t recall anybody bringing up the fact that during a lot of his career MM did indeed have the fastest bike himself when he was winning a lot.
Can't speak to what was being said in that regard on other forums, but here, back then, the perception was that the Honda was the best handling bike, by journos and folks in general, and were largely positing that the Ducati had superior power/speed, and at such time as they could make the damn thing turn, the Japanese teams would be in trouble. I think it was only really when none of the other Honda riders were coming anywhere's near Marquez's results (nor were they collecting as many horrendous injuries), that it started to dawn on people just how much Marquez was out-riding the Honda's deficiencies, which weren't being effectively addressed, and becoming more glaringly obvious as the Ducatis gradually got better and better.
 
Kind of amusing to me that back when it was happening, I can’t recall anybody bringing up the fact that during a lot of his career MM did indeed have the fastest bike himself when he was winning a lot.
2013 and 2014 I'd agree. His team mates couldn't get the speed he did though as consistently and 2013 his debut open class season. After that not so sure. 2017 and on, nup.
What stands him apart imo is what he has been able to do with saving a sliding front so often.
 
Kind of amusing to me that back when it was happening, I can’t recall anybody bringing up the fact that during a lot of his career MM did indeed have the fastest bike himself when he was winning a lot.
2013-14?
The 15 bike was terrible, 16 the Yams were still better and by 17 Ducati and Yamaha were at least equal or better than the Honda. From 18 onwards I don't think anybody has thought that the Honda was the best bike on the grid. There was just one guy getting consistent results on it during the 18 & 19 seasons.
 
As Babelfish was wont to argue the SNS tires were more or less a control tire for the major competitors, although whether they were made for his particular preference is somewhat open to question I guess. Tony Elias rather demonstrated the difference they made though, and Casey Stoner was quite vocal about the quality of the Michelins he was provided with as a non SNS satellite rider for LCR Honda.

It shouldn’t be forgotten that Rossi was 36 in his close but no cigar 2015 season, and while leading the points for much of the season didn’t mean the title should just have been handed to him regardless of late season results he was very competitive with highly elite and much younger opponents.
Close but what a stupid whinge fest when he clearly lost to a faster team mate. Conspiracy theories and demonstrably false accusations. Still carrying on with his false opinionated mindset even now.
 
Kind of amusing to me that back when it was happening, I can’t recall anybody bringing up the fact that during a lot of his career MM did indeed have the fastest bike himself when he was winning a lot.
Because the years Marc was on the best bike it was by a .... hair at best. At no point in Marcs career was the Honda as dominate as this ducati. You could argue the yamaha was as good or better during that time. And it was short lived. By the time JLo was at honda the bike was not that good. Still competitive I guess. But if Lorenzo wasn't competitive on it , was it really any good? If you say yes then you must be admitting the yamaha that JLo won on was a better bike than Marc's honda at the time. At no point during Marcs time and honda was the RC finishing 1-4. Something this Ducati does regularly. It wasn't the Honda it was the riders, Marc and Dani. Even the great Stoner struggled on the Honda right before Marc joined. So when was this time when Honda was the best bike on the grid?
 
This was pretty refreshingly honest from Pecco.

Nobody is fastest at every circuit and he was the fastest and won at the last circuit. Good show here tok both the other two had a bit more. Interesting he commented that he was struggling with front feel at the corner Marc got him on. Makes sense as Marc did come from a long way back.
 
This was pretty refreshingly honest from Pecco.

Nobody is fastest at every circuit and he was the fastest and won at the last circuit. Good show here tok both the other two had a bit more. Interesting he commented that he was struggling with front feel at the corner Marc got him on. Makes sense as Marc did come from a long way back.
I don't know why there is so much people who don't empathize with Pecco. He's sincere about everything and rarely complain about something. He has good sportsmanship.
 
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