2024 silly season!

michaelm · Nov 23, 2023

warthog1 said:
Mick Doohan would have been excluded, as would Kenny Roberts, Wayne Rainey, Kevin Schwantz. Fark that. Yes different times but man they could all ride and thankfully they got the opportunity.

Yes it would mske the sport a closed shop restricted to riders who had taken the conventional path. I believe Alberto Puig was good at running the young rider program he ran, but under the system proposed someone like him could potentially be the main arbiter of who gets a shot at GP bike racing in the first place, and after that entry to the premier class might depend on who gets on a bike with the best run teams in moto 2, selection for which could involve politics as well as riding talent,. As you say there would also be no allowance for latecomers like Mick Doohan who declared himself in his mid 20s guest riding in WSBK iirc. The guys who are best in moto2 might not necessarily be the best in motogp anyway., which was definitely the case with the riders you mention back in the days of the 500 formula when for a while success on super bikes translated better than success in the 250 gp class did. I have a feeling that promotion and relegation as proposed would result in new entrants to the premier class mostly being teenagers as well. for good or ill.

DavidSim · Nov 23, 2023

michaelm said:
I have a feeling that promotion and relegation as proposed would result in new entrants to the premier class mostly being teenagers as well. for good or ill.

How important is rider skill compared to rider marketability these days, is skill far more important, is it 50-50, or ?

There is lots of money to be made these days off the track, sometimes I wonder if it is far more important than actual results on track.

mikesbytes · Nov 23, 2023

Rider skill is a major contributor to marketability so not so easy to separate but marketability still plays it part.

Are all riders currently in MotoGP from Moto2?

Barbedwirebikerr · Nov 23, 2023

DavidSim said:
How important is rider skill compared to rider marketability these days, is skill far more important, is it 50-50, or ?

There is lots of money to be made these days off the track, sometimes I wonder if it is far more important than actual results on track.

How do you market a rider who isn't a winner?

mikesbytes · Nov 23, 2023

Will be interesting to see if Digi is testing anything on Tuesday

JFM01 · Nov 24, 2023

mikesbytes said:
Are all riders currently in MotoGP from Moto2?

All except Jack if I'm not mistaken.

michaelm · Nov 24, 2023

JFM01 said:
All except Jack if I'm not mistaken.

And Jack is only not a moto2 rider because he went straight to motogp from moto3, which was not necessarily the best way to go for him although he has had a fairly long premier class career while mostly being pretty much a journeyman.

Some of the moto2 riders who never finished in the top 2 in moto 2 have been better/more successful than those who did though, cf Johann Zarco who won two moto 2 titles and thus far one motogp race vs Jorge Martin..

Paul55 · Nov 24, 2023

Puig gone as soon as they've got rid of Marquez

Davide Brivio tipped to replace Alberto Puig as Repsol Honda team boss

michaelm · Nov 24, 2023

Paul55 said:
Puig gone as soon as they've got rid of Marquez

Davide Brivio tipped to replace Alberto Puig as Repsol Honda team boss

Yes, let this be a lesson for Honda, they should never again sign a guy who will win them 6 titles

Saw the Puig thing on Crash myself, so will wait for confirmation, but I never understood why Honda got Puig in the first place unless it was related to sponsorship, and if MM can’t sort a bike Puig fired a guy who provably could in Dani Pedrosa, purely for reasons of petty revenge as far as I could see, and deserves to go for doing that alone.

MichaelBolton · Nov 24, 2023

Brivio has denied the allegations. We'll see.

DavidSim · Nov 24, 2023

Barbedwirebikerr said:
How do you market a rider who isn't a winner?

There are a number of riders on the MotoGP grid who have not won a race in MotoGP.

Paul55 · Nov 24, 2023

michaelm said:
Yes, let this be a lesson for Honda, they should never again sign a guy who will win them 6 titles

Saw the Puig thing on Crash myself, so will wait for confirmation, but I never understood why Honda got Puig in the first place unless it was related to sponsorship, and if MM can’t sort a bike Puig fired a guy who provably could in Dani Pedrosa, purely for reasons of petty revenge as far as I could see, and deserves to go for doing that alone.

Ha! couldn't resist after ya'll hammered poor old Birdbird

mikesbytes · Nov 24, 2023

Paul55 said:
Puig gone as soon as they've got rid of Marquez

Davide Brivio tipped to replace Alberto Puig as Repsol Honda team boss

Kinda reminds me of Rossi leaving Ducati. A shakeup happening at Ducati afterwards is perhaps similar to what is happening now at Honda

Barbedwirebikerr · Nov 24, 2023

DavidSim said:
There are a number of riders on the MotoGP grid who have not won a race in MotoGP.

I've never seen a poster of Karel Abraham in a bike shop or expo.

mikesbytes · Nov 25, 2023

Looks like Digi won't know his fate until Monday. Rossi is present so presumably be part of the decision which is Digi or someone young, but not who we have been led to believe

DavidSim · Nov 25, 2023

mikesbytes said:
Looks like Digi won't know his fate until Monday. Rossi is present so presumably be part of the decision which is Digi or someone young, but not who we have been led to believe

I am hoping he gets a one year contract and shows he deserves it next year, perhaps with a clause that he can be replaced during the season if he does not meet expectations.

He seems to step up when under pressure !

gui22a · Nov 26, 2023

Domenicali unintentionally has blurted out Digia will be a MotoGP rider next year (GPone). VR46 a done deal.

mikesbytes · Nov 27, 2023

Some trivia about Digi, he was the 3rd most successful rider over the last 7 races

#22 · Nov 27, 2023

Marini confirmed at Repsol:

Honda signs Marini as Marquez replacement in MotoGP

Diggia confirmed at VR46

Di Giannantonio takes Marini’s vacated VR46 Ducati spot for 2024 MotoGP season

DavidSim · Nov 27, 2023

#22 said:
Marini confirmed at Repsol:

Honda signs Marini as Marquez replacement in MotoGP

Diggia confirmed at VR46

Di Giannantonio takes Marini’s vacated VR46 Ducati spot for 2024 MotoGP season

I am glad that he got the ride still on a Ducati, he certainly deserves to stay in MotoGP at this point (vis-a-vis the performance of some of the other riders with poorer results), as for Marini I say good luck and hope that he (and others) can get the good ship Honda turned around quickly.

Looking forward to the upcoming test tomorrow, the 2024 season should be a rocking affair.

I also want everyone on this forum to know that I have enjoyed reading most of the posts, and putting in my .02 cents worth, good stuff indeed.

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