Round 14: 2016 Gran Premio Movistar de Aragón: MotorLand Aragón

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Arrabbiata1 said:
Aside from his adoration of Rossi, I've always enjoyed his column space and his take on the history of the sport. I find Hodgson, Suzi Perry and Huewen's bias on BT equally as tiresome and actually, less informed which as Gaz pointed out, makes Oxley's compromised platitudes all the more unpalatable.
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Everything I see, hear or read from Hodgson just makes Miller's assertion all the more true.

Hodgson is as unbiased as Uccio and clearly bathes in the ............. of yellow that emanates from the showerhead he so worships.
 
Gaz said:
Everything I see, hear or read from Hodgson just makes Miller's assertion all the more true.

Hodgson is as unbiased as Uccio and clearly bathes in the ............. of yellow that emanates from the showerhead he so worships.
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Foggy has a mouth on him - we know that, but in his book which I haven't read for years, I recall Carl recounting several tortuous long haul flights sat next to Hodgson when they were teammates. Unsurprisingly, the bloke simply wouldn't stop talking bollocks and mouthing off throughout. I think he had to lock himself in the john for extended periods in the interest of his own sanity.
 
Arrabbiata1 said:
I largely agree with all the sentiments on here - but credit me for more savvy than that comps. He didn't simply as you say 'acknowledge' the Post Sepang apocalypse during the fallout, trust my recollection, he was very critical of the sycophantic tweets such as Michael Laverty's (amongst others) and in particular the unwritten rule of racing bollocks. Ok - granted, that's not exaclty 'calling Rossi out' but he had little time for the whinging at PI. I clearly remember it because I found it strange how he never mentioned it again.

Aside from his adoration of Rossi, I've always enjoyed his column space and his take on the history of the sport. I find Hodgson, Suzi Perry and Huewen's bias on BT equally as tiresome and actually, less informed which as Gaz pointed out, makes Oxley's compromised platitudes all the more unpalatable.
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Found the motorsport article specifically about Sepang 2015 I hadn't previously read which was harder on Rossi, if still partially blaming the victim imo. HST reference as well which is always a good thing.

The attached comments perhaps demonstrate why the likes of Oxley and David Emmett have to be somewhat circumspect if they are to survive in the current motogp environment.
 
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JPSLotus said:
VDS should pay Vince McMahon to fly over to Valencia and have him fire Tito Rabat for the cameras. Then he can leave doing the patented McMahon strut.

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I know everyone gave Karel Abraham .... and said he didn't deserve to be there (he didn't) but Rabat thus far hasn't shown anything better. Perhaps ironically Rabat is also older.
 
Gaz said:
Everything I see, hear or read from Hodgson just makes Miller's assertion all the more true.

Hodgson is as unbiased as Uccio and clearly bathes in the ............. of yellow that emanates from the showerhead he so worships.
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That was certainly one of the best moments of 2015.
 
p4p1 said:
I'm surprised that Hayden is below Rabat TBH but I guess he has another day to get the bike and himself sorted. I would be extremely surprised if he finished below Rabat.
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It's 85% tires, 10% bike, and 5% "where am I?". Doesn't anyone here remember that this is where there is talk of tires, all the time? I guess #69 will be somewhere between 11th and 18th, when the race is done.

Meanwhile the factory Hondas (including Cal's) look pretty hopeful. Let's see how the tire choices go for full race distance. My best to the other racing candidates. I think I will be up for qualifying (debate).

If MM isn't careful, he and the team could put them in a losing situation by being too careful. I say he says fvk Repsol and gets at-least a podium ahead of Rossi.
 
Iamapony said:
It's 85% tires, 10% bike, and 5% "where am I?". Doesn't anyone here remember that this is where there is talk of tires, all the time? I guess #69 will be somewhere between 11th and 18th, when the race is done.

Meanwhile the factory Hondas (including Cal's) look pretty hopeful. Let's see how the tire choices go for full race distance. My best to the other racing candidates. I think I will be up for qualifying (debate).

If MM isn't careful, he and the team could put them in a losing situation by being too careful. I say he says fvk Repsol and gets at-least a podium ahead of Rossi.
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Haydens problems seems to be not knowing the bike?

Hayden is not at all familiar with the bike, its geometry, or its feeling let alone how the different tyres are influencing it. The track is about the only thing he is familiar with, he has really been thrown in it.

He came in after FP1 and was still adjusting the ergonomics of the bike like handle bars positions rather than dealing in settings, the feedback he gave from FP1 for the changes implements for FP2 was completely wrong by his own admission and the bike felt even worse, he looked lost to me in the interview.
 
AJV80 said:
Haydens problems seems to be not knowing the bike?

Hayden is not at all familiar with the bike, its geometry, or its feeling let alone how the different tyres are influencing it. The track is about the only thing he is familiar with, he has really been thrown in it.

He came in after FP1 and was still adjusting the ergonomics of the bike like handle bars positions rather than dealing in settings, the feedback he gave from FP1 for the changes implements for FP2 was completely wrong by his own admission and the bike felt even worse, he looked lost to me in the interview.
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Has he made any comments regarding the Michelins?
 
JPSLotus said:
Yes I get he didn't have as many wins as the great one had, but what is more impressive? Winning 2 races and winning the title? Or winning 5 races and not winning any title? Winning the title with 2 race wins is an infinitely more difficult feat because it requires an ungodly amount of consistency from the rider. That's something Nicky had in spades that entire season short of the Pedropedo at Estoril. Then you have to include in that consistency the ability to perform like that at this level when your team isn't giving you the full 100% unlike your unproven teammate.

He should still be in MotoGP instead of hacks like Bautista or Barbera.
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Indeed, consistency is an unrated virtue in motorsport in general. Hayden won his title fair and square and deserved every bit of it. As will Marquez this year.

It also lends perspective to Rossi's achievements last season, where some contend he merely stumbled into second place just behind the (faster) Lorenzo and well clear of the (faster) Marquez.

More importantly, it illustrates what an outstanding season Hector Barbera has had (despite a couple of forgettable, but point scoring, recent outings at Misano & Silverstone).

Riding a GP14, he's ahead not just of his teammate and the Aspar Ducatis but also the GP15 Pramac Ducatis. And the Tech 3 Yamahas.

One could rightly argue that Laverty would have been ahead of him if he hadn't been taken out by Petrucci in Austria. But then Laverty has had something of an outstanding season himself.

However much one may dislike Barbera at a personal level for his (questionable but legal) tactic of seeking a tow in qualifying (something he admits to), an extra grid row upgrade doesn't explain away his results this year. He'll be on a GP17 next year and he's earned it.
 
Also, on the issue of consistency. With this temperament combined with his colossal natural talent, it doesn't matter whether a 10th title is added to the Rossi record or not, Marquez will break it.


https://vimeo.com/183980266
 
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JKant said:
Indeed, consistency is an unrated virtue in motorsport in general. Hayden won his title fair and square and deserved every bit of it. As will Marquez this year.

It also lends perspective to Rossi's achievements last season, where some contend he merely stumbled into second place just behind the (faster) Lorenzo and well clear of the (faster) Marquez.

More importantly, it illustrates what an outstanding season Hector Barbera has had (despite a couple of forgettable, but point scoring, recent outings at Misano & Silverstone).

Riding a GP14, he's ahead not just of his teammate and the Aspar Ducatis but also the GP15 Pramac Ducatis. And the Tech 3 Yamahas.

One could rightly argue that Laverty would have been ahead of him if he hadn't been taken out by Petrucci in Austria. But then Laverty has had something of an outstanding season himself.

However much one may dislike Barbera at a personal level for his (questionable but legal) tactic of seeking a tow in qualifying (something he admits to), an extra grid row upgrade doesn't explain away his results this year. He'll be on a GP17 next year and he's earned it.
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No problem at all with Rossi winning last year if he had, even if the last 3 races had all been wet, the conditions were the same for all, Lorenzo's own fault he crashed at Misano, etc, etc.

There was no reason to stop the championship with 5 or 3 rounds to go just because he was in front either though
 
JKant said:
Also, on the issue of consistency. With this temperament combined with his colossal natural talent, it doesn't matter whether a 10th title is added to the Rossi record or not, Marquez will break it.


https://vimeo.com/183980266
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That's assuming he doesn't have any serious competition. We'll have to see how 2017 pans out with Vinale's and Iannone, Lorenzo etc don't discount Rossi either.
 
michaelm said:
No problem at all with Rossi winning last year if he had, even if the last 3 races had all been wet, the conditions were the same for all, Lorenzo's own fault he crashed at Misano, etc, etc.

There was no reason to stop the championship with 5 or 3 rounds to go just because he was in front either though
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Oh I wasn't alluding to you. Just making a general observation.
 
Daniboy said:
That's assuming he doesn't have any serious competition. We'll have to see how 2017 pans out with Vinale's and Iannone, Lorenzo etc don't discount Rossi either.
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Of course there are no certainties in such a sport. He may (God forbid) injure himself with all that riding on the edge. And yes a new Marquez may emerge (though at the moment the junior classes seem to be led by guys with experience rather than just raw talent).

That said, he's had some very serious competition even this year. Rossi's still riding like 20-something year old. Lorenzo's still the reigning world champion. And down the field we've seen 6 other riders win in what is perhaps in the competitive season in MotoGP history.
 

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