Round 14: 2016 Gran Premio Movistar de Aragón: MotorLand Aragón

shaunna said:

I know it won't happen (although stranger things have e.g. Jack Miller) but I'd love to see Hayden win just to put a few of their noses out of joint haha

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People like the bloke. God knows I do.

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/233819/1/marc-vds-hayden-can-help-miller-rabat.html

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

JPSLotus said:

That would be good.

I'm getting tired of hearing about how Hayden lucked into the 2006 title.

Yes I get he didn't have as many wins as the great one had, but what is more impressive? Winning 2 races and winning the title? Or winning 5 races and not winning any title? Winning the title with 2 race wins is an infinitely more difficult feat because it requires an ungodly amount of consistency from the rider. That's something Nicky had in spades that entire season short of the Pedropedo at Estoril. Then you have to include in that consistency the ability to perform like that at this level when your team isn't giving you the full 100% unlike your unproven teammate.

He should still be in MotoGP instead of hacks like Bautista or Barbera.

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Surely it's better to be in SBK with a chance of winning or getting on the podium than in the GP where he likely wouldn't have the equipment to do either consistently.

Preconference interview of Hayden was nice. I hate those two idiots though.

p4p1 said:

Surely it's better to be in SBK with a chance of winning or getting on the podium than in the GP where he likely wouldn't have the equipment to do either consistently.

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Fair point, I don't think he had an MotoGP rides offered to him or I thought he would have stayed. I could be wrong, I didn't really over analyse his situation I just remember him sounding a bit bummed about it.

He still loves racing so being a test rider wouldn't have suited him.

Have to laugh, Heuwen complaining about Oxley getting a bit of stick on Twitter.

Apparently Rossi has done an interview with Suzi Perry that reveals in Heuwen's words "Jorge Lorenzo isn't the only one holding a grudge".
Wonder if it's another ..... about Marquez?...

yamfan said:

Have to laugh, Heuwen complaining about Oxley getting a bit of stick on Twitter.

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The days of "top journalists" making ex cathedra statements are well and truly gone. I think this is both for good and ill, since journalists in the old days did have some editorial direction and some necessity to justify what they produced to editors.

That said, from what I have seen of Oxley's recent emissions they wouldn't have passed muster in the old days either, and in this day and age if his product is populist but neither objective nor particularly well informed and he has chosen to engage in social media he should expect disagreement/criticism. If he and Keith don't like this, tough.

AJV80 said:

Fair point, I don't think he had an MotoGP rides offered to him or I thought he would have stayed. I could be wrong, I didn't really over analyse his situation I just remember him sounding a bit bummed about it.

He still loves racing so being a test rider wouldn't have suited him.

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When he was last in GP bike racing it was said his wrist was basically kaput.

michaelm said:

The days of "top journalists" making ex cathedra statements are well and truly gone. I think this is both for good and ill, since journalists in the old days did have some editorial direction and some necessity to justify what they produced to editors.

That said, from what I have seen of Oxley's recent emissions they wouldn't have passed muster in the old days either, and in this day and age if his product is populist but neither objective nor particularly well informed and he has chosen to engage in social media he should expect disagreement/criticism. If he and Keith don't like this, tough.

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Good Post.

Content is secondary to clicks. Nu Churnalism

Dr No said:

Good Post.

Content is secondary to clicks. Nu Churnalism

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Yep, gone is chequebook journalism and in it's place we have clickbait journalism produced by people seeking popularity over substance.

God Bless Michael Scott.

Gaz said:

Yep, gone is chequebook journalism and in it's place we have clickbait journalism produced by people seeking popularity over substance.

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Yes its quite sad, the pathetic hype over a 9th different winner being asked of the riders at the press conference was cringeworthy.

The MotoGP journalist that will be crowned champion next year will need to be able to succesfully link a Kardashian or Justin Beiber into a MotoGP headline.

Arrabbiata1 said:

God Bless Michael Scott.

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Was thinking of him today actually whilst reading through the yellow tainted posting (musings?) of Oxley and the like as I cannot immediately recall any writing from Scott that would have been showing of bias, never mind it being similar in any way to the writings of today.

Iannone just confirmed he's withdrawing from this weekend's racing.

Gaz said:

Was thinking of him today actually whilst reading through the yellow tainted posting (musings?) of Oxley and the like as I cannot immediately recall any writing from Scott that would have been showing of bias, never mind it being similar in any way to the writings of today.

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His motocourse season review books are brilliant and as said, totally unbiased.

In spite of the lynch mob, I actually like Oxley’s writing style, and have many of his books because at the very least he’s a great scholar of the sport. It’s also overlooked that he called Rossi out last Autumn in both social media and column space. I think he alluded to it in his exchange with JPS. All this makes his recent Rossi-centric diatribe all the more puzzling.

yamfan said:

Iannone just confirmed he's withdrawing from this weekend's racing.

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Sucks, I was looking forward to his return.

Yeah, but in retrospect he shouldn't have risked it. The spine isn't something to be overlooked, any rider in doubt should look at the once great Wayne Rainey.

Arrabbiata1 said:

In spite of the lynch mob, I actually like Oxley’s writing style, and have many of his books because at the very least he’s a great scholar of the sport. It’s also overlooked that he called Rossi out last Autumn in both social media and column space. I think he alluded to it in his exchange with JPS. All this makes his recent Rossi-centric diatribe all the more puzzling.

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Arrib, I personally have found that he seems to be getting worse in terms of his writing but I do also suspect that he is being driven by the target market.

Let us not overlook at writing positive or pro-Rossi stories will ensure sales and/or internet traffic, all of which brings with it an income stream that is quite simply not available with other rider or negative press for Rossi, as negative press brings with it the social media trials and abuse, which causes stress.

I am no fan of Oxley but he does write some good stuff and do peruse the site from time to time (personally I find Krop enjoyable as well despite the criticism) and both Oxley and Krop are better than many within the motorcycling media mainstream. Unfortunately I suspect (and hell, I know I am not innocent here) I believe that these guys are being judged based a lot on our own preferences, bias or take on proceedings where we are not beholden to the editors and need to sell that these people are in order to keep their respective positions (and thus, access to the sport).

The dynamic of ALL journalism has changed with the internet and failing of the print magazines and has become quite tabloid style (using Australia and some other sites/magazines as a guide) which means that whether we like it or not. motorcycle journalism has followed the standards set or believed to be reuqired