Radio Tavullia: Rossi without Burgess in 2014

kiddyK · Nov 14, 2013

Jumkie

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I dont get why people always say Pedro has "bad luck". He has started every season in the last 10 years with a machine/team/manufacture that could and should win the title! Pedro has no fire in his belly. This year it was his title to lose...and he did. He got the same injury as Lorenzo (who TWICE injured his collarbone), yet Lorenzo took the title down to the wire. Pedro started and finished the season on the best machine, one that actually improved throughout the year, yet he finished 3rd in the standings to his rookie teammate who he refused to challenge.

He is an exceptional rider, having more wins in the last decade than anyone other than Rossi and Lorenzo. You don't get that sort of stat by being a muppet, but like other exceptional riders to never win a championship, it highlights just how hard it really is and what an achievement.

Some may feel Marquez (and to a lesser extent, Stoner) was 'gifted' his championship, but put Crutchlow or Espargaro or Bradl on the factory Honda and they wouldn't have achieved what he (they) did. So many things have to go right - the right bike, team, setup, qualifying, tyre selection, racecraft, (and luck, in no short measure)

But, to say Pedrosa has no fire is, IMO, being disingenuous - he could have all the fire in the world, but has just met his match in Lorenzo, Stoner and Marquez. Not to mention he just could be too small for the bike - If he had 'done a Mang/Martinez/Nieto' and remained in the smaller classes, he would probably be the winningest rider of all time. No matter what he does, it takes him a particular combination of events to get a win and to get enough of them to win a championship has been just out of his reach. Apart from 2012 when he got 7 wins, he has been hitting 2-3 a year in the bigger class. Not enough to take the cup, but enough to be 2nd or 3rd in the championship on 6 occasions.

That alone demands some measure of respect.

rezonator636 · Nov 15, 2013

kiddyK

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He is an exceptional rider, having more wins in the last decade than anyone other than Rossi and Lorenzo. You don't get that sort of stat by being a muppet, but like other exceptional riders to never win a championship, it highlights just how hard it really is and what an achievement.

Some may feel Marquez (and to a lesser extent, Stoner) was 'gifted' his championship, but put Crutchlow or Espargaro or Bradl on the factory Honda and they wouldn't have achieved what he (they) did. So many things have to go right - the right bike, team, setup, qualifying, tyre selection, racecraft, (and luck, in no short measure)

But, to say Pedrosa has no fire is, IMO, being disingenuous - he could have all the fire in the world, but has just met his match in Lorenzo, Stoner and Marquez. Not to mention he just could be too small for the bike - If he had 'done a Mang/Martinez/Nieto' and remained in the smaller classes, he would probably be the winningest rider of all time. No matter what he does, it takes him a particular combination of events to get a win and to get enough of them to win a championship has been just out of his reach. Apart from 2012 when he got 7 wins, he has been hitting 2-3 a year in the bigger class. Not enough to take the cup, but enough to be 2nd or 3rd in the championship on 6 occasions.

That alone demands some measure of respect.

Have to disagree slightly here. There's no question Pedro's fast, but how many times this year did we see him hanging on MM's rear tire, waiting...for what, exactly? It felt as if it took him nearly the whole season to finally work up the courage and attempt to ovetake his teammate.

chopperman · Nov 15, 2013

rezonator636

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Have to disagree slightly here. There's no question Pedro's fast, but how many times this year did we see him hanging on MM's rear tire, waiting...for what, exactly? It felt as if it took him nearly the whole season to finally work up the courage and attempt to ovetake his teammate.

Reminded me of Alex Criville hanging onto Doohan

Pigeon · Nov 15, 2013

http://www.wrenchracer.com/1/category/all/1.html

Keshav · Nov 15, 2013

HEISMAN

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I don't get it.

Let's say you have a a major shareholder for a company. Your CEO, that made you a fortune 500 company, hasn't been able to maintain market share and the company is steadily losing revenue for the past four years.

What do you do? I say we keep the CEO and let the ship sink. Is that what we're all suggesting?

Burgess was right; it's a business. Rossi is in the twilight of his career and is wanting to try something different. What Burgess has said, which I find funny no one has mentioned, is, "<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana;font-size:small;Valentino has always been up front, honest, and speaks what he wants and how he wants things." Doesn't sound like someone whose character flaw is insincerity to me.

Burgess is doing the Aussie version of 'stiff upper lip". He's not about to publically bad-mouth Rossi at this juncture.

Wait till he writes his autobiography for all the dirty laundry to come out; tho probably not. Burgess knows the meaning

of loyalty.

Sloth_27 · Nov 15, 2013

Pigeon

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http://www.wrenchracer.com/1/category/all/1.html

Replacing the man at the top changes the whole dynamic of the team. As Alex Briggs says in that post, he has been with JB his entire GP career (as a mechanic when Doohan won in '94) and everything he knows is because of what he has learnt in that team. Sounds like nobody really expected this at all.

rezonator636 · Nov 15, 2013

Sloth_27

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Replacing the man at the top changes the whole dynamic of the team. As Alex Briggs says in that post, he has been with JB his entire GP career (as a mechanic when Doohan won in '94) and everything he knows is because of what he has learnt in that team. Sounds like nobody really expected this at all.

I think we all agree that JB wasn't the problem. But I would argue that Rossi's diminishing skills aren't the problem, either. The problem is that, for the past several years, Rossi has had to deal with true alien-level opponents, and it's exposed the fact that maybe, just maybe, Rossi's skill level isn't what at first it appeared to be.

Back when Rossi ruled MotoGP with an iron fist, his closest rival was a hopelessly overmatched Biaggi, followed by an even more hopelessly overmatched Gibernau. It wasn't until Stoner showed up that it finally appeared there was a rider equal to Rossi in the series. The problem there for Rossi was two-fold: Stoner was actually a faster rider (evidenced by the fact that Stoner won on the Ducati, something Rossi could never do), and that he wasn't the only one who showed up. Lorenzo soon followed, and Marquez has now joined the fray; all three of them have shown the ability to make a bike do things it wasn't supposed to be able to do, and it's left everyone else, including Rossi, mystified as to how they were doing it. Stoner may be gone, but Lorenzo and Marquez are going to be around for a while, and they're going to push each other to new levels while Rossi watches from a distance.

That's the real issue. Rossi isn't just getting old; he's been surpassed, pure and simple. There's not a crew chief in the world who could change that.

Jumkie · Nov 15, 2013

Pigeon

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http://www.wrenchracer.com/1/category/all/1.html

Pish u sir are thee information minister of ps.

Reading this almost made me feel sad for JB. A lifetime dedicated to his craft and undisputed loyalty to his rider, then in the twilight of it to be publicly discarded like some used condom. What a .... move on VRs part.

Geonerd · Nov 15, 2013

chopperman

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Reminded me of Alex Criville hanging onto Doohan

At least we knew that Alex was probably going to have a go on the last lap, something Pedrobot seems programed to avoid.

hagbard · Nov 15, 2013

Keshav

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Burgess is doing the Aussie version of 'stiff upper lip". He's not about to publically bad-mouth Rossi at this juncture.

Wait till he writes his autobiography for all the dirty laundry to come out; tho probably not. Burgess knows the meaning

of loyalty.

I can't believe JB took the high road and went to that humiliating press conference. I would have told VR to stick it up his arse and departed for the city of churches with all possible haste.

Keshav · Nov 15, 2013

Pigeon

3687731384552550

http://www.wrenchracer.com/1/category/all/1.html

Thanks for that. Really makes you realize how much we all easily create perceptions of these guys

but - really it's only glimpses on the telly. I really do hope he does an auto-bio. I'd be on line at the

book store to get it.

Jumkie · Nov 15, 2013

hagbard

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I can't believe JB took the high road and went to that humiliating press conference. I would have told VR to stick it up his arse and departed for the city of churches with all possible haste.

Are you Johnny Rock Page?

Sloth_27 · Nov 15, 2013

hagbard

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I can't believe JB took the high road and went to that humiliating press conference. I would have told VR to stick it up his arse and departed for the city of churches with all possible haste.

I think he said he'll do the press conference to get all the interviews out of the way in one hit. The journalists had one last chance to ask what they wanted and then he was heading home like you say. I'm sure there will be an autobiography, but he will have a lot more interesting things to talk about then these last few years. This little episode hardly warrants a page.

J4rn0 · Nov 17, 2013

It all makes sense... Rossi has taken a chief engineer that's ideal for his next big 2015 "challenge": World Superbike!

2014 will be just to get to know each other.

BarryMachine · Nov 17, 2013

rezonator636

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I think we all agree that JB wasn't the problem. But I would argue that Rossi's diminishing skills aren't the problem, either. The problem is that, for the past several years, Rossi has had to deal with true alien-level opponents, and it's exposed the fact that maybe, just maybe, Rossi's skill level isn't what at first it appeared to be.

Back when Rossi ruled MotoGP with an iron fist, his closest rival was a hopelessly overmatched Biaggi, followed by an even more hopelessly overmatched Gibernau. It wasn't until Stoner showed up that it finally appeared there was a rider equal to Rossi in the series. The problem there for Rossi was two-fold: Stoner was actually a faster rider (evidenced by the fact that Stoner won on the Ducati, something Rossi could never do), and that he wasn't the only one who showed up. Lorenzo soon followed, and Marquez has now joined the fray; all three of them have shown the ability to make a bike do things it wasn't supposed to be able to do, and it's left everyone else, including Rossi, mystified as to how they were doing it. Stoner may be gone, but Lorenzo and Marquez are going to be around for a while, and they're going to push each other to new levels while Rossi watches from a distance.

That's the real issue. Rossi isn't just getting old; he's been surpassed, pure and simple. There's not a crew chief in the world who could change that.

Thats about right.

Jumkie · Nov 17, 2013

J4rn0

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It all makes sense... Rossi has taken a chief engineer that's ideal for his next big 2015 "challenge": World Superbike!

2014 will be just to get to know each other.

This made me chuckle J4rno. But honestly I doubt VR would ever run Wsbk. He smugly sees it all very beneath him.

chopperman · Nov 17, 2013

Jumkie

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This made me chuckle J4rno. But honestly I doubt VR would ever run Wsbk. He smugly sees it all very beneath him.

I said years ago here that rossi would not go to wsbk,F1,or rally when he retires. I said he would go into management. I got flamed for that. Well years down the line and we see a rossi moto3 team on the cards. All i can say is i toadaso.

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hagbard · Nov 17, 2013

Jumkie

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This made me chuckle J4rno. But honestly I doubt VR would ever run Wsbk. He smugly sees it all very beneath him.

It's also nowhere near a big enough payday for him. People sometimes forget just how very much VR loves money and how much that informs his conduct.

eltoro · Nov 17, 2013

Call Pedrosa anything you want, but you guys have to admit he is a tough bugger. We just recently saw Spies depart from MotoGP due to injury, and he made it 3 years before he determined 'no more' (for now?). For a guy who is frequently described as 'frail', riding 8 years at an elite level in MotoGP is hardly anything close to failure.

BarryMachine · Nov 17, 2013

eltoro

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Call Pedrosa anything you want, but you guys have to admit he is a tough bugger. We just recently saw Spies depart from MotoGP due to injury, and he made it 3 years before he determined 'no more' (for now?). For a guy who is frequently described as 'frail', riding 8 years at an elite level in MotoGP is hardly anything close to failure.

Dani is already equal to Schwantz in GP wins, 5 more and he is equal with the US's best ever effort ( Lawson )

Cumkie is just pissed cos

Pedrosa = 25 wins makes Hayden = 3 wins look ....... frustrating.

Especially when you consider that Pedrosa has been in GP for a shorter time.

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