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QATAR 2012: RACE

No doubt the Ducati is a flawed motorcycle....but what are the alternatives?



The fact of the matter is that only three guys at present realistically have a shot at the title barring mishap or injuries....no one is to blame for this scenario. CS, JL & DP are seriously talented racers and the other guys are having a hard time keeping up....they deservedly occupy three of the four slots that give you a realistic chance of winning the championship. That means that the other potential title winning bike is up for grabs if Spies under performs on it again this year. If that ride becomes available at the end of this season would you sign Marquez or Hayden to fill that slot?



Nicky has shown Ducati loyalty and if they eventually do sort out the bike I would hope they return that loyalty and he retains his ride on what amounts to one of the six factory prototypes that curently occupy the grid. Better than downgrading to sat bike, CRT or skulking off to SBK I reckon.



Hayden can be justifiably proud of his efforts at Ducati so far - other riders who have endured similar hardship at Ducati over a much shorter time frame have simply given up. I think he is finally getting some recognition for his ongoing hard work and humility. At this stage of proceedings he deserves his ride far more than his overpaid and under performing team mate. Hopefully Ducati can refine their package to where it is competitive with Yam/Hon as it does seem to have more potential than the GP11. Go Nicky.

Squiggs I hear ya, as I said earlier another long season for Hayden fans. I wonder what upgrades Ducati have coming?? I doubt very seriously it's a narrow angle V-4, there is no way Ducati could pull that off. I think they might improve with these upgrades, but so will everyone else. I just question why it's taking so long to get these upgrades on the bike.

Anyone think Nick could have done any better with Bradl's bike, think he would have been battling with the Tech 3 bikes?
 
Suzuki and Kawasaki don't need to win races in GP to sell bikes, it's purely financial for them. You did bring up an interesting point about Suzuki and their engine, how much experimenting did they do with the V angle to find the right balance for the bike. They atleast tried different configurations and they also abandoned the idea of a 90 degree engine because of bike balance. If Ducati want to stay in GP they need to get their head out of the sand, there is a difference between being different and trying to use methods that have been proven not to work.

What did Honda do to get back in the game last year, they went and poached electronic engineers from Yamaha. The lesson is stop trying to force that bike to work and find the people who know what they're doing.



That's interesting when you mention Honda poaching electronic engineers from Yamaha; by the way, these were two Italians who had worked previously at Ducati.



It is not only electronics engineers and Stoner that Ducati has lost: they lost Stoner's entire crew, supposedly the crew that knew how to work on the Desmosedici the best. In exchange, they got Vale's crew that knew everything about... the M1. Hmmm. And they lost Suppo, whom I never liked but who's probably a better manager than ex-racer Guareschi.



Maybe it is Ducati Corse's MotoGP Project that needs an overhaul, even more than the bike itself; it could be priority #1 anyway, before focusing too much on the bike only.
 
Some Julian Ryder gossip on Eurosport broadcast. Something along the lines of [paraphrase] and Ben is a bit sensitive about the people he has around him and rumor has it that his side of the Yamaha garage has gone a bit cold[/paraphrase]



His remarks were to that effect. That Ben's happiness level within the team and within the Yamaha GP organization are more compromised this year than last year.



Not hard to believe since Jarvis basically called him out in public for under-performing last season.

Heard that from Ryder too, though I hadn't interpreted that as an ultimatum about equipment. But that reminded me of Jarvis' comments, and yeah, Spies is on notice.
 
. If that ride becomes available at the end of this season would you sign Marquez or Hayden to fill that slot?



Unless they change the rules again, Marquez could not enter MotoGP as a rookie on a factory bike.



I'm not going to knock somebody for liking a rider, but since winning the title (at Rossi's expense) Hayden has done very little, yes he has had a few podiums. But even last year, he was beaten by the satelite team three times on Dukes and having to battle with them throughout races, not including other satelite riders that did the same



I am always of the opinion that ex superbike riders do not convert into great GP riders. Those riders that have performed really well on road bikes can count there GP wins on one hand, Bayliss and Spies' wins were from a good start and did not get troubled once they had the lead. Edwards at Assen was really unlucky, handing it on a plate to Hayden. Hayden's other two wins were his home advantage, with other riders not having raced at Laguna.

If you want to be a sucess at GPs, you have to start at the bottom and work your way up, longer races requires different levels of fitness.
 
I've never met an Italian with the last name of Williams lol. I just think its stupid to continue with the rear steering unbalanced bike. It's all about the front wheel in GP , even with CS on the bike it was regressing and getting less and less wins
That's interesting when you mention Honda poaching electronic engineers from Yamaha; by the way, these were two Italians who had worked previously at Ducati.



It is not only electronics engineers and Stoner that Ducati has lost: they lost Stoner's entire crew, supposedly the crew that knew how to work on the Desmosedici the best. In exchange, they got Vale's crew that knew everything about... the M1. Hmmm. And they lost Suppo, whom I never liked but who's probably a better manager than ex-racer Guareschi.



Maybe it is Ducati Corse's MotoGP Project that needs an overhaul, even more than the bike itself; it could be priority #1 anyway, before focusing too much on the bike only.
 
Yea, Nicky Hayden is the luckiest man on earth!

This has been done to death on here, so here's the cliff notes version. Nick wins 2006 World Championship on a lab bike with rice paper clutches. 2007 starts the 800cc era and Nicky has to ride a mini bike to defend his championship. The remainder of Hayden's existence with Honda was all about Pedrosa with Puig doing whatever possible to discredit Nicky. The Ducati years...well I think it's pretty obvious the Duck is ......!
 
Whats up boys? Been a bit busy this week.



First of all, having a season opener BBQ across two continents was probably a first. A few PS members met up in the UK while simultaneously a few met up in the US; we texted and shared vids and pics while the event was ongoing. We had a great time and we were in each other's company in spirit. The power of friendship.



13436:US:UK BBQ.JPG]



So regarding the racing...



Congrats to Lorenzo for a masterful and hard fought win. He won because he didn't give up, and that says a lot about his character and the growth of maturity in the class. Being passed on the straights at will could have been demoralizing, but he kept plugging away. He should be proud.



Pedro did well, but I suppose with his talent its probably a normal place for him being on the best bike on the grid. Despite having legal issues, he did well to keep his head in the race. He also looked to scrap a bit with Lorenzo, and that was nice to see. Congrats to him. However, once Honda finally dump him for Marquez, we may begin to see what he’s really made of, though I’m not holding my breath. Given the political connections of Alberto Puig, I think Dani, for as long as hes in MotoGP, will always have a well sorted seat. There may be a Spanish champion this year, despite again being on the top kit in the championship, he will not deliver.



Stoner had a good race going and looked to be the winner once again. Watching in real time it looked as if Lorenzo had managed the tires better; however, in the post race interview we learned the cause of his problems. Arm pump! It must have been very frustrating. Nothing is worse than having the will to push and your body not respond. The good new for him is that its treatable. We also learned that his bike was technically sound and his tires were not an issue (his own words). After qual, it seems there was a tide of peeps saying the Honda (and before this the tires) had gone bad. But Stoner debunked that theory (unless we are to selectively believe him when he speaks). He is till the favorite for the title, however, we learned Lorenzo has a greater fighting chance than we had previously estimated.



Cal made good on his preseason form, and it looks like the Brits will have somebody to cheer for this season who will deliver. What has changed? Obviously the formula. Gone from gay bikes to man bikes, which given his propensity for raw riding (as oppose to finesse riding) it seems Cal was placed into GP at the right time. But this is race one, and I fully expect Dovi to be there all season. Good for us.



Dovi, basically performed as well as Cal. In a way I'm glad he has somebody to scrap with, as I think this will help motivate him (as if he needed more motivation). I say this, because losing Marco Simonchelli, a man he scrapped with his entire life, was in my estimation a unique loss to him that most of use probably cannot comprehend. I think having Cal to scrap with will sharpen him as well as Cal. Again, good for us. Btw, the bikes look cool.



Nicky Hayden. Still the most underrated top 5 rider in the world. Ducati GP is a spirit killer, but it has yet to break this man. It sent Melandri packing to another series, almost killed Capirossi, and is now in the throws of making what was just a short time ago, one of the greatest this sport has seen, look ordinary and frustrated. We continue to see this term "alien" thrown around, while ignoring the very obvious parity of machines in the sport. It’s such a ........ term, a lazy term! We basically have four bikes that are competitive in this series, period. I seriously doubt Pedro or Lorenzo, as good as they are, would be capable of doing much more with the Ducati package. The only man who proved he could ride it was Stoner. I've said before, if anybody deserves this ........ word used as a shorthand to say he is a cut above, it would be him; YET, we saw this weekend that in fact, the man is human. The image that I remember most from this event (me being a Hayden fan) is the camera shot of Nicky post race where he looked to be fuming with exasperation and anger. You could see the others around him wanting to congratulate him for giving all he had in that race, but he was not going to accept that accolade. Why? Because he put in a tremendous performance in terms of effort, notwithstanding, it was only good enough for 6th place in a world championship. As a fan, I'm proud of his performance. But as a follower of the sport, the parity is grossly lacking among the factories (really its just two), yet we continue to ignore it and pronounce the top finishers as the true "aliens". What we have in MotoGP is a four bike cup. Two of those four riders are slightly better than their teammates. Nicky has had a unique existence in GP--the worst treatment of him was certainly at Honda under Pedro. Then he became a DucatiGP rider.



Bautista is lucky Randy DePuniet is not riding his bike. He is aboard one of the best machines in the paddock, on a team that is perhaps the best satellite outfit, why he's not running with Dovi and Cal says to me he is overrated.



Bradl, he had a decent ride but certainly not the “great” ride that I’m reading. Not any better or worse than Toesland or Spies on their debut at Qatar. He is on a Honda, so I'm not sure where to gauge him in respect to other riders. Its his first race, and so I think we need more events to judge. However, the comparison I've read in the racing community between his success compared to Elias is ignorant at best. Its a completely different formula and different tires.



Barbera is deserving to be in this class, but I'll quote Cal Crutchlow when asked about him "I don't like him". He managed to run Rossi off track and almost ran Nicky off track, doing what he does best, catching a tow.



Rossi had a bad event. I honestly thought he would have a better race than he qualified but I was wrong. But he also had bad luck in the race. That 10[sup]th[/sup] place looks a lot worse that it was considering that he was about 5 seconds adrift of Nicky at the finish and combining the fact that he had an off track incident which undoubted lost him more or less those 5 seconds (which didn’t look to be his fault) his race might have looked a bit better. I suspect if Rossi would have finished ahead of Nicky (that is, only 3 positions from Stoner) we would be talking technically another reality, though I think the hate for him would have been just as vehement. Question: which hate is better, the hate on Stoner or the hate on Rossi? The human experiment that is PS is quite amazing to see it unfold, as the crop of neo-boppers have taken their hate to the same level as their predecessors (in some cases worse). Yet while doing the debating, they claimed they were above it and better. Its pretty funny. I’m also a bit disgusted with once card-caring boppers (I’ve been here a long time, in the hey days of Rossi) to see some of his staunch supporters turn their back on him. To say Rossi has lost the “sacred fire” (WTF) indicates to me that some people really do ‘worship’ riders. That’s really scary and hilarious at the same time. This of course says nothing about the rider in question, it does however say much about us, the fans.



Spies had a bad event. It should be rather obvious that he had a problem in the race of some technical sort. He dropped back rather spectacularly. And given that the other Yamahas did well, gives us circumstantial evidence that something was not right. Again, it’s hilarious to see the ridiculous comments by some peeps that he’s lost it. Reminds me of the closing qual thread when Stoner didn’t nab pole and the sky seemed to be falling all of a sudden. Get a grip gentz these guys are humans. Race one of eighteen. Spies should have been a dry two-race winner last year, but he got nipped to the line by a more powerful bike (that’s when power counts, not all these other ........ extrapolations). So he is surely a deserving factory rider and has shown it during preseason, practice, and qual. He crashed during a ‘pole-setting pace’ (imagine that) with the added freak luck of getting his hand stuck on the lever. Maybe he was understandably spooked, or maybe he actually had bike issues during the race.



Edwards did better than I thought, as I had picked DePuniet to beat him. Congrats to him. Had he caught up to Spies, I would have loved to be a fly in their motorhome later own when Colin would have been giving him some friendly banter over it. I wonder if the tequila shot bet they had going when they were teammates might be revived.



Depuniet is a better rider than we think.



Hernandez, first Columbian rider to score championship points. Congrats to him.
 

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Whats up boys? Been a bit busy this week.



First of all, having a season opener BBQ across two continents was probably a first. A few PS members met up in the UK while simultaneously a few met up in the US; we texted and shared vids and pics while the event was ongoing. We had a great time and we were in each other's company in spirit. The power of friendship.



13436:US:UK BBQ.JPG]



So regarding the racing...



Congrats to Lorenzo for a masterful and hard fought win. He won because he didn't give up, and that says a lot about his character and the growth of maturity in the class. Being passed on the straights at will could have been demoralizing, but he kept plugging away. He should be proud.



Pedro did well, but I suppose with his talent its probably a normal place for him being on the best bike on the grid. Despite having legal issues, he did well to keep his head in the race. He also looked to scrap a bit with Lorenzo, and that was nice to see. Congrats to him. However, once Honda finally dump him for Marquez, we may begin to see what he’s really made of, though I’m not holding my breath. Given the political connections of Alberto Puig, I think Dani, for as long as hes in MotoGP, will always have a well sorted seat. There may be a Spanish champion this year, despite again being on the top kit in the championship, he will not deliver.



Stoner had a good race going and looked to be the winner once again. Watching in real time it looked as if Lorenzo had managed the tires better; however, in the post race interview we learned the cause of his problems. Arm pump! It must have been very frustrating. Nothing is worse than having the will to push and your body not respond. The good new for him is that its treatable. We also learned that his bike was technically sound and his tires were not an issue (his own words). After qual, it seems there was a tide of peeps saying the Honda (and before this the tires) had gone bad. But Stoner debunked that theory (unless we are to selectively believe him when he speaks). He is till the favorite for the title, however, we learned Lorenzo has a greater fighting chance than we had previously estimated.



Cal made good on his preseason form, and it looks like the Brits will have somebody to cheer for this season who will deliver. What has changed? Obviously the formula. Gone from gay bikes to man bikes, which given his propensity for raw riding (as oppose to finesse riding) it seems Cal was placed into GP at the right time. But this is race one, and I fully expect Dovi to be there all season. Good for us.



Dovi, basically performed as well as Cal. In a way I'm glad he has somebody to scrap with, as I think this will help motivate him (as if he needed more motivation). I say this, because losing Marco Simonchelli, a man he scrapped with his entire life, was in my estimation a unique loss to him that most of use probably cannot comprehend. I think having Cal to scrap with will sharpen him as well as Cal. Again, good for us. Btw, the bikes look cool.



Nicky Hayden. Still the most underrated top 5 rider in the world. Ducati GP is a spirit killer, but it has yet to break this man. It sent Melandri packing to another series, almost killed Capirossi, and is now in the throws of making what was just a short time ago, one of the greatest this sport has seen, look ordinary and frustrated. We continue to see this term "alien" thrown around, while ignoring the very obvious parity of machines in the sport. It’s such a ........ term, a lazy term! We basically have four bikes that are competitive in this series, period. I seriously doubt Pedro or Lorenzo, as good as they are, would be capable of doing much more with the Ducati package. The only man who proved he could ride it was Stoner. I've said before, if anybody deserves this ........ word used as a shorthand to say he is a cut above, it would be him; YET, we saw this weekend that in fact, the man is human. The image that I remember most from this event (me being a Hayden fan) is the camera shot of Nicky post race where he looked to be fuming with exasperation and anger. You could see the others around him wanting to congratulate him for giving all he had in that race, but he was not going to accept that accolade. Why? Because he put in a tremendous performance in terms of effort, notwithstanding, it was only good enough for 6th place in a world championship. As a fan, I'm proud of his performance. But as a follower of the sport, the parity is grossly lacking among the factories (really its just two), yet we continue to ignore it and pronounce the top finishers as the true "aliens". What we have in MotoGP is a four bike cup. Two of those four riders are slightly better than their teammates. Nicky has had a unique existence in GP--the worst treatment of him was certainly at Honda under Pedro. Then he became a DucatiGP rider.



Bautista is lucky Randy DePuniet is not riding his bike. He is aboard one of the best machines in the paddock, on a team that is perhaps the best satellite outfit, why he's not running with Dovi and Cal says to me he is overrated.



Bradl, he had a decent ride but certainly not the “great” ride that I’m reading. Not any better or worse than Toesland or Spies on their debut at Qatar. He is on a Honda, so I'm not sure where to gauge him in respect to other riders. Its his first race, and so I think we need more events to judge. However, the comparison I've read in the racing community between his success compared to Elias is ignorant at best. Its a completely different formula and different tires.



Barbera is deserving to be in this class, but I'll quote Cal Crutchlow when asked about him "I don't like him". He managed to run Rossi off track and almost ran Nicky off track, doing what he does best, catching a tow.



Rossi had a bad event. I honestly thought he would have a better race than he qualified but I was wrong. But he also had bad luck in the race. That 10[sup]th[/sup] place looks a lot worse that it was considering that he was about 5 seconds adrift of Nicky at the finish and combining the fact that he had an off track incident which undoubted lost him more or less those 5 seconds (which didn’t look to be his fault) his race might have looked a bit better. I suspect if Rossi would have finished ahead of Nicky (that is, only 3 positions from Stoner) we would be talking technically another reality, though I think the hate for him would have been just as vehement. Question: which hate is better, the hate on Stoner or the hate on Rossi? The human experiment that is PS is quite amazing to see it unfold, as the crop of neo-boppers have taken their hate to the same level as their predecessors (in some cases worse). Yet while doing the debating, they claimed they were above it and better. Its pretty funny. I’m also a bit disgusted with once card-caring boppers (I’ve been here a long time, in the hey days of Rossi) to see some of his staunch supporters turn their back on him. To say Rossi has lost the “sacred fire” (WTF) indicates to me that some people really do ‘worship’ riders. That’s really scary and hilarious at the same time. This of course says nothing about the rider in question, it does however say much about us, the fans.



Spies had a bad event. It should be rather obvious that he had a problem in the race of some technical sort. He dropped back rather spectacularly. And given that the other Yamahas did well, gives us circumstantial evidence that something was not right. Again, it’s hilarious to see the ridiculous comments by some peeps that he’s lost it. Reminds me of the closing qual thread when Stoner didn’t nab pole and the sky seemed to be falling all of a sudden. Get a grip gentz these guys are humans. Race one of eighteen. Spies should have been a dry two-race winner last year, but he got nipped to the line by a more powerful bike (that’s when power counts, not all these other ........ extrapolations). So he is surely a deserving factory rider and has shown it during preseason, practice, and qual. He crashed during a ‘pole-setting pace’ (imagine that) with the added freak luck of getting his hand stuck on the lever. Maybe he was understandably spooked, or maybe he actually had bike issues during the race.



Edwards did better than I thought, as I had picked DePuniet to beat him. Congrats to him. Had he caught up to Spies, I would have loved to be a fly in their motorhome later own when Colin would have been giving him some friendly banter over it. I wonder if the tequila shot bet they had going when they were teammates might be revived.



Depuniet is a better rider than we think.



Hernandez, first Columbian rider to score championship points. Congrats to him.



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Whats up boys? Been a bit busy this week.



First of all, having a season opener BBQ across two continents was probably a first. A few PS members met up in the UK while simultaneously a few met up in the US; we texted and shared vids and pics while the event was ongoing. We had a great time and we were in each other's company in spirit. The power of friendship.



13436:US:UK BBQ.JPG]



So regarding the racing...



Congrats to Lorenzo for a masterful and hard fought win. He won because he didn't give up, and that says a lot about his character and the growth of maturity in the class. Being passed on the straights at will could have been demoralizing, but he kept plugging away. He should be proud.



Pedro did well, but I suppose with his talent its probably a normal place for him being on the best bike on the grid. Despite having legal issues, he did well to keep his head in the race. He also looked to scrap a bit with Lorenzo, and that was nice to see. Congrats to him. However, once Honda finally dump him for Marquez, we may begin to see what he’s really made of, though I’m not holding my breath. Given the political connections of Alberto Puig, I think Dani, for as long as hes in MotoGP, will always have a well sorted seat. There may be a Spanish champion this year, despite again being on the top kit in the championship, he will not deliver.



Stoner had a good race going and looked to be the winner once again. Watching in real time it looked as if Lorenzo had managed the tires better; however, in the post race interview we learned the cause of his problems. Arm pump! It must have been very frustrating. Nothing is worse than having the will to push and your body not respond. The good new for him is that its treatable. We also learned that his bike was technically sound and his tires were not an issue (his own words). After qual, it seems there was a tide of peeps saying the Honda (and before this the tires) had gone bad. But Stoner debunked that theory (unless we are to selectively believe him when he speaks). He is till the favorite for the title, however, we learned Lorenzo has a greater fighting chance than we had previously estimated.



Cal made good on his preseason form, and it looks like the Brits will have somebody to cheer for this season who will deliver. What has changed? Obviously the formula. Gone from gay bikes to man bikes, which given his propensity for raw riding (as oppose to finesse riding) it seems Cal was placed into GP at the right time. But this is race one, and I fully expect Dovi to be there all season. Good for us.



Dovi, basically performed as well as Cal. In a way I'm glad he has somebody to scrap with, as I think this will help motivate him (as if he needed more motivation). I say this, because losing Marco Simonchelli, a man he scrapped with his entire life, was in my estimation a unique loss to him that most of use probably cannot comprehend. I think having Cal to scrap with will sharpen him as well as Cal. Again, good for us. Btw, the bikes look cool.



Nicky Hayden. Still the most underrated top 5 rider in the world. Ducati GP is a spirit killer, but it has yet to break this man. It sent Melandri packing to another series, almost killed Capirossi, and is now in the throws of making what was just a short time ago, one of the greatest this sport has seen, look ordinary and frustrated. We continue to see this term "alien" thrown around, while ignoring the very obvious parity of machines in the sport. It’s such a ........ term, a lazy term! We basically have four bikes that are competitive in this series, period. I seriously doubt Pedro or Lorenzo, as good as they are, would be capable of doing much more with the Ducati package. The only man who proved he could ride it was Stoner. I've said before, if anybody deserves this ........ word used as a shorthand to say he is a cut above, it would be him; YET, we saw this weekend that in fact, the man is human. The image that I remember most from this event (me being a Hayden fan) is the camera shot of Nicky post race where he looked to be fuming with exasperation and anger. You could see the others around him wanting to congratulate him for giving all he had in that race, but he was not going to accept that accolade. Why? Because he put in a tremendous performance in terms of effort, notwithstanding, it was only good enough for 6th place in a world championship. As a fan, I'm proud of his performance. But as a follower of the sport, the parity is grossly lacking among the factories (really its just two), yet we continue to ignore it and pronounce the top finishers as the true "aliens". What we have in MotoGP is a four bike cup. Two of those four riders are slightly better than their teammates. Nicky has had a unique existence in GP--the worst treatment of him was certainly at Honda under Pedro. Then he became a DucatiGP rider.



Bautista is lucky Randy DePuniet is not riding his bike. He is aboard one of the best machines in the paddock, on a team that is perhaps the best satellite outfit, why he's not running with Dovi and Cal says to me he is overrated.



Bradl, he had a decent ride but certainly not the “great” ride that I’m reading. Not any better or worse than Toesland or Spies on their debut at Qatar. He is on a Honda, so I'm not sure where to gauge him in respect to other riders. Its his first race, and so I think we need more events to judge. However, the comparison I've read in the racing community between his success compared to Elias is ignorant at best. Its a completely different formula and different tires.



Barbera is deserving to be in this class, but I'll quote Cal Crutchlow when asked about him "I don't like him". He managed to run Rossi off track and almost ran Nicky off track, doing what he does best, catching a tow.



Rossi had a bad event. I honestly thought he would have a better race than he qualified but I was wrong. But he also had bad luck in the race. That 10[sup]th[/sup] place looks a lot worse that it was considering that he was about 5 seconds adrift of Nicky at the finish and combining the fact that he had an off track incident which undoubted lost him more or less those 5 seconds (which didn’t look to be his fault) his race might have looked a bit better. I suspect if Rossi would have finished ahead of Nicky (that is, only 3 positions from Stoner) we would be talking technically another reality, though I think the hate for him would have been just as vehement. Question: which hate is better, the hate on Stoner or the hate on Rossi? The human experiment that is PS is quite amazing to see it unfold, as the crop of neo-boppers have taken their hate to the same level as their predecessors (in some cases worse). Yet while doing the debating, they claimed they were above it and better. Its pretty funny. I’m also a bit disgusted with once card-caring boppers (I’ve been here a long time, in the hey days of Rossi) to see some of his staunch supporters turn their back on him. To say Rossi has lost the “sacred fire” (WTF) indicates to me that some people really do ‘worship’ riders. That’s really scary and hilarious at the same time. This of course says nothing about the rider in question, it does however say much about us, the fans.



Spies had a bad event. It should be rather obvious that he had a problem in the race of some technical sort. He dropped back rather spectacularly. And given that the other Yamahas did well, gives us circumstantial evidence that something was not right. Again, it’s hilarious to see the ridiculous comments by some peeps that he’s lost it. Reminds me of the closing qual thread when Stoner didn’t nab pole and the sky seemed to be falling all of a sudden. Get a grip gentz these guys are humans. Race one of eighteen. Spies should have been a dry two-race winner last year, but he got nipped to the line by a more powerful bike (that’s when power counts, not all these other ........ extrapolations). So he is surely a deserving factory rider and has shown it during preseason, practice, and qual. He crashed during a ‘pole-setting pace’ (imagine that) with the added freak luck of getting his hand stuck on the lever. Maybe he was understandably spooked, or maybe he actually had bike issues during the race.



Edwards did better than I thought, as I had picked DePuniet to beat him. Congrats to him. Had he caught up to Spies, I would have loved to be a fly in their motorhome later own when Colin would have been giving him some friendly banter over it. I wonder if the tequila shot bet they had going when they were teammates might be revived.



Depuniet is a better rider than we think.



Hernandez, first Columbian rider to score championship points. Congrats to him.

Whats up boys? Been a bit busy this week.



First of all, having a season opener BBQ across two continents was probably a first. A few PS members met up in the UK while simultaneously a few met up in the US; we texted and shared vids and pics while the event was ongoing. We had a great time and we were in each other's company in spirit. The power of friendship.



13436:US:UK BBQ.JPG]



So regarding the racing...



Congrats to Lorenzo for a masterful and hard fought win. He won because he didn't give up, and that says a lot about his character and the growth of maturity in the class. Being passed on the straights at will could have been demoralizing, but he kept plugging away. He should be proud.



Pedro did well, but I suppose with his talent its probably a normal place for him being on the best bike on the grid. Despite having legal issues, he did well to keep his head in the race. He also looked to scrap a bit with Lorenzo, and that was nice to see. Congrats to him. However, once Honda finally dump him for Marquez, we may begin to see what he’s really made of, though I’m not holding my breath. Given the political connections of Alberto Puig, I think Dani, for as long as hes in MotoGP, will always have a well sorted seat. There may be a Spanish champion this year, despite again being on the top kit in the championship, he will not deliver.



Stoner had a good race going and looked to be the winner once again. Watching in real time it looked as if Lorenzo had managed the tires better; however, in the post race interview we learned the cause of his problems. Arm pump! It must have been very frustrating. Nothing is worse than having the will to push and your body not respond. The good new for him is that its treatable. We also learned that his bike was technically sound and his tires were not an issue (his own words). After qual, it seems there was a tide of peeps saying the Honda (and before this the tires) had gone bad. But Stoner debunked that theory (unless we are to selectively believe him when he speaks). He is till the favorite for the title, however, we learned Lorenzo has a greater fighting chance than we had previously estimated.



Cal made good on his preseason form, and it looks like the Brits will have somebody to cheer for this season who will deliver. What has changed? Obviously the formula. Gone from gay bikes to man bikes, which given his propensity for raw riding (as oppose to finesse riding) it seems Cal was placed into GP at the right time. But this is race one, and I fully expect Dovi to be there all season. Good for us.



Dovi, basically performed as well as Cal. In a way I'm glad he has somebody to scrap with, as I think this will help motivate him (as if he needed more motivation). I say this, because losing Marco Simonchelli, a man he scrapped with his entire life, was in my estimation a unique loss to him that most of use probably cannot comprehend. I think having Cal to scrap with will sharpen him as well as Cal. Again, good for us. Btw, the bikes look cool.



Nicky Hayden. Still the most underrated top 5 rider in the world. Ducati GP is a spirit killer, but it has yet to break this man. It sent Melandri packing to another series, almost killed Capirossi, and is now in the throws of making what was just a short time ago, one of the greatest this sport has seen, look ordinary and frustrated. We continue to see this term "alien" thrown around, while ignoring the very obvious parity of machines in the sport. It’s such a ........ term, a lazy term! We basically have four bikes that are competitive in this series, period. I seriously doubt Pedro or Lorenzo, as good as they are, would be capable of doing much more with the Ducati package. The only man who proved he could ride it was Stoner. I've said before, if anybody deserves this ........ word used as a shorthand to say he is a cut above, it would be him; YET, we saw this weekend that in fact, the man is human. The image that I remember most from this event (me being a Hayden fan) is the camera shot of Nicky post race where he looked to be fuming with exasperation and anger. You could see the others around him wanting to congratulate him for giving all he had in that race, but he was not going to accept that accolade. Why? Because he put in a tremendous performance in terms of effort, notwithstanding, it was only good enough for 6th place in a world championship. As a fan, I'm proud of his performance. But as a follower of the sport, the parity is grossly lacking among the factories (really its just two), yet we continue to ignore it and pronounce the top finishers as the true "aliens". What we have in MotoGP is a four bike cup. Two of those four riders are slightly better than their teammates. Nicky has had a unique existence in GP--the worst treatment of him was certainly at Honda under Pedro. Then he became a DucatiGP rider.



Bautista is lucky Randy DePuniet is not riding his bike. He is aboard one of the best machines in the paddock, on a team that is perhaps the best satellite outfit, why he's not running with Dovi and Cal says to me he is overrated.



Bradl, he had a decent ride but certainly not the “great” ride that I’m reading. Not any better or worse than Toesland or Spies on their debut at Qatar. He is on a Honda, so I'm not sure where to gauge him in respect to other riders. Its his first race, and so I think we need more events to judge. However, the comparison I've read in the racing community between his success compared to Elias is ignorant at best. Its a completely different formula and different tires.



Barbera is deserving to be in this class, but I'll quote Cal Crutchlow when asked about him "I don't like him". He managed to run Rossi off track and almost ran Nicky off track, doing what he does best, catching a tow.



Rossi had a bad event. I honestly thought he would have a better race than he qualified but I was wrong. But he also had bad luck in the race. That 10[sup]th[/sup] place looks a lot worse that it was considering that he was about 5 seconds adrift of Nicky at the finish and combining the fact that he had an off track incident which undoubted lost him more or less those 5 seconds (which didn’t look to be his fault) his race might have looked a bit better. I suspect if Rossi would have finished ahead of Nicky (that is, only 3 positions from Stoner) we would be talking technically another reality, though I think the hate for him would have been just as vehement. Question: which hate is better, the hate on Stoner or the hate on Rossi? The human experiment that is PS is quite amazing to see it unfold, as the crop of neo-boppers have taken their hate to the same level as their predecessors (in some cases worse). Yet while doing the debating, they claimed they were above it and better. Its pretty funny. I’m also a bit disgusted with once card-caring boppers (I’ve been here a long time, in the hey days of Rossi) to see some of his staunch supporters turn their back on him. To say Rossi has lost the “sacred fire” (WTF) indicates to me that some people really do ‘worship’ riders. That’s really scary and hilarious at the same time. This of course says nothing about the rider in question, it does however say much about us, the fans.



Spies had a bad event. It should be rather obvious that he had a problem in the race of some technical sort. He dropped back rather spectacularly. And given that the other Yamahas did well, gives us circumstantial evidence that something was not right. Again, it’s hilarious to see the ridiculous comments by some peeps that he’s lost it. Reminds me of the closing qual thread when Stoner didn’t nab pole and the sky seemed to be falling all of a sudden. Get a grip gentz these guys are humans. Race one of eighteen. Spies should have been a dry two-race winner last year, but he got nipped to the line by a more powerful bike (that’s when power counts, not all these other ........ extrapolations). So he is surely a deserving factory rider and has shown it during preseason, practice, and qual. He crashed during a ‘pole-setting pace’ (imagine that) with the added freak luck of getting his hand stuck on the lever. Maybe he was understandably spooked, or maybe he actually had bike issues during the race.



Edwards did better than I thought, as I had picked DePuniet to beat him. Congrats to him. Had he caught up to Spies, I would have loved to be a fly in their motorhome later own when Colin would have been giving him some friendly banter over it. I wonder if the tequila shot bet they had going when they were teammates might be revived.



Depuniet is a better rider than we think.



Hernandez, first Columbian rider to score championship points. Congrats to him.

Fair comment all.



If stoner was an "alien" it was as a ducati 800 rider. The bikes and tyres are now different, and it would seem suit at least one rider (cal crutchlow) better than his previous yamaha as you say. Whether it was tyres or physical problems which stopped stoner, it remains to be seen whether he is as well suited to the new formula as he was to the previous one; he has had endurance issues before, and it is not impossible a bigger, heavier, more powerful bike, particularly one with a chatter problem, will give him continued grief.
 
Whats up boys? Been a bit busy this week.



First of all, having a season opener BBQ across two continents was probably a first. A few PS members met up in the UK while simultaneously a few met up in the US; we texted and shared vids and pics while the event was ongoing. We had a great time and we were in each other's company in spirit. The power of friendship.



13436:US:UK BBQ.JPG]



So regarding the racing...



Congrats to Lorenzo for a masterful and hard fought win. He won because he didn't give up, and that says a lot about his character and the growth of maturity in the class. Being passed on the straights at will could have been demoralizing, but he kept plugging away. He should be proud.



Pedro did well, but I suppose with his talent its probably a normal place for him being on the best bike on the grid. Despite having legal issues, he did well to keep his head in the race. He also looked to scrap a bit with Lorenzo, and that was nice to see. Congrats to him. However, once Honda finally dump him for Marquez, we may begin to see what he’s really made of, though I’m not holding my breath. Given the political connections of Alberto Puig, I think Dani, for as long as hes in MotoGP, will always have a well sorted seat. There may be a Spanish champion this year, despite again being on the top kit in the championship, he will not deliver.



Stoner had a good race going and looked to be the winner once again. Watching in real time it looked as if Lorenzo had managed the tires better; however, in the post race interview we learned the cause of his problems. Arm pump! It must have been very frustrating. Nothing is worse than having the will to push and your body not respond. The good new for him is that its treatable. We also learned that his bike was technically sound and his tires were not an issue (his own words). After qual, it seems there was a tide of peeps saying the Honda (and before this the tires) had gone bad. But Stoner debunked that theory (unless we are to selectively believe him when he speaks). He is till the favorite for the title, however, we learned Lorenzo has a greater fighting chance than we had previously estimated.



Cal made good on his preseason form, and it looks like the Brits will have somebody to cheer for this season who will deliver. What has changed? Obviously the formula. Gone from gay bikes to man bikes, which given his propensity for raw riding (as oppose to finesse riding) it seems Cal was placed into GP at the right time. But this is race one, and I fully expect Dovi to be there all season. Good for us.



Dovi, basically performed as well as Cal. In a way I'm glad he has somebody to scrap with, as I think this will help motivate him (as if he needed more motivation). I say this, because losing Marco Simonchelli, a man he scrapped with his entire life, was in my estimation a unique loss to him that most of use probably cannot comprehend. I think having Cal to scrap with will sharpen him as well as Cal. Again, good for us. Btw, the bikes look cool.



Nicky Hayden. Still the most underrated top 5 rider in the world. Ducati GP is a spirit killer, but it has yet to break this man. It sent Melandri packing to another series, almost killed Capirossi, and is now in the throws of making what was just a short time ago, one of the greatest this sport has seen, look ordinary and frustrated. We continue to see this term "alien" thrown around, while ignoring the very obvious parity of machines in the sport. It’s such a ........ term, a lazy term! We basically have four bikes that are competitive in this series, period. I seriously doubt Pedro or Lorenzo, as good as they are, would be capable of doing much more with the Ducati package. The only man who proved he could ride it was Stoner. I've said before, if anybody deserves this ........ word used as a shorthand to say he is a cut above, it would be him; YET, we saw this weekend that in fact, the man is human. The image that I remember most from this event (me being a Hayden fan) is the camera shot of Nicky post race where he looked to be fuming with exasperation and anger. You could see the others around him wanting to congratulate him for giving all he had in that race, but he was not going to accept that accolade. Why? Because he put in a tremendous performance in terms of effort, notwithstanding, it was only good enough for 6th place in a world championship. As a fan, I'm proud of his performance. But as a follower of the sport, the parity is grossly lacking among the factories (really its just two), yet we continue to ignore it and pronounce the top finishers as the true "aliens". What we have in MotoGP is a four bike cup. Two of those four riders are slightly better than their teammates. Nicky has had a unique existence in GP--the worst treatment of him was certainly at Honda under Pedro. Then he became a DucatiGP rider.



Bautista is lucky Randy DePuniet is not riding his bike. He is aboard one of the best machines in the paddock, on a team that is perhaps the best satellite outfit, why he's not running with Dovi and Cal says to me he is overrated.



Bradl, he had a decent ride but certainly not the “great” ride that I’m reading. Not any better or worse than Toesland or Spies on their debut at Qatar. He is on a Honda, so I'm not sure where to gauge him in respect to other riders. Its his first race, and so I think we need more events to judge. However, the comparison I've read in the racing community between his success compared to Elias is ignorant at best. Its a completely different formula and different tires.



Barbera is deserving to be in this class, but I'll quote Cal Crutchlow when asked about him "I don't like him". He managed to run Rossi off track and almost ran Nicky off track, doing what he does best, catching a tow.



Rossi had a bad event. I honestly thought he would have a better race than he qualified but I was wrong. But he also had bad luck in the race. That 10[sup]th[/sup] place looks a lot worse that it was considering that he was about 5 seconds adrift of Nicky at the finish and combining the fact that he had an off track incident which undoubted lost him more or less those 5 seconds (which didn’t look to be his fault) his race might have looked a bit better. I suspect if Rossi would have finished ahead of Nicky (that is, only 3 positions from Stoner) we would be talking technically another reality, though I think the hate for him would have been just as vehement. Question: which hate is better, the hate on Stoner or the hate on Rossi? The human experiment that is PS is quite amazing to see it unfold, as the crop of neo-boppers have taken their hate to the same level as their predecessors (in some cases worse). Yet while doing the debating, they claimed they were above it and better. Its pretty funny. I’m also a bit disgusted with once card-caring boppers (I’ve been here a long time, in the hey days of Rossi) to see some of his staunch supporters turn their back on him. To say Rossi has lost the “sacred fire” (WTF) indicates to me that some people really do ‘worship’ riders. That’s really scary and hilarious at the same time. This of course says nothing about the rider in question, it does however say much about us, the fans.



Spies had a bad event. It should be rather obvious that he had a problem in the race of some technical sort. He dropped back rather spectacularly. And given that the other Yamahas did well, gives us circumstantial evidence that something was not right. Again, it’s hilarious to see the ridiculous comments by some peeps that he’s lost it. Reminds me of the closing qual thread when Stoner didn’t nab pole and the sky seemed to be falling all of a sudden. Get a grip gentz these guys are humans. Race one of eighteen. Spies should have been a dry two-race winner last year, but he got nipped to the line by a more powerful bike (that’s when power counts, not all these other ........ extrapolations). So he is surely a deserving factory rider and has shown it during preseason, practice, and qual. He crashed during a ‘pole-setting pace’ (imagine that) with the added freak luck of getting his hand stuck on the lever. Maybe he was understandably spooked, or maybe he actually had bike issues during the race.



Edwards did better than I thought, as I had picked DePuniet to beat him. Congrats to him. Had he caught up to Spies, I would have loved to be a fly in their motorhome later own when Colin would have been giving him some friendly banter over it. I wonder if the tequila shot bet they had going when they were teammates might be revived.



Depuniet is a better rider than we think.



Hernandez, first Columbian rider to score championship points. Congrats to him.





Good call buddy
 
Hayden is the man, whoever says otherwise is stupid and can't recognize a hard working and talented man when he has it in front of him.



He's been pushing that Duke as far as a normal man can push it for years now and he's only starting to get some recognition. IMO for the effort he should be up there with the top 4 guys. Not sure how the sat Yammi works but Cal should be up there too, and BRadl.
 
1. JLO = perfect ride. the ice man. kept his pace and had tire at the end.

2. Cpt Pedrosa = i bet he felt 10 ft tall
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3. Stona = no more jack rabbit run aways for you. learn to save that t or you'll be 3rd all year. (arm pump my ...)

4 Crutch = Bloody Ell..here come the red coats.
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..awesome ride.

5 Dovi = Crutch beat you dude.

6 Haystack = thumbs up your bike sucks

7 Bautista = give this bike to Hopper

8 Bradl = NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN!!!
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9 Barbera = Barbera Towing Company Inc.

10 Rossi = should have never left Yam..your bike sucks

11 Spies = WTF Dude! Gawd Damit! ....!........... Quit ....... around dude, Rossi wants his bike back.

12 Edwards = CRT World Champion 2012!!! Woooooo!!! Go Texas!



the rest meh.
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Love it curve, never was a truer word spoken in jest!
 
Whats up boys? Been a bit busy this week.



First of all, having a season opener BBQ across two continents was probably a first. A few PS members met up in the UK while simultaneously a few met up in the US; we texted and shared vids and pics while the event was ongoing. We had a great time and we were in each other's company in spirit. The power of friendship.



13436:US:UK BBQ.JPG]



So regarding the racing...



Congrats to Lorenzo for a masterful and hard fought win. He won because he didn't give up, and that says a lot about his character and the growth of maturity in the class. Being passed on the straights at will could have been demoralizing, but he kept plugging away. He should be proud.



Pedro did well, but I suppose with his talent its probably a normal place for him being on the best bike on the grid. Despite having legal issues, he did well to keep his head in the race. He also looked to scrap a bit with Lorenzo, and that was nice to see. Congrats to him. However, once Honda finally dump him for Marquez, we may begin to see what he’s really made of, though I’m not holding my breath. Given the political connections of Alberto Puig, I think Dani, for as long as hes in MotoGP, will always have a well sorted seat. There may be a Spanish champion this year, despite again being on the top kit in the championship, he will not deliver.



Stoner had a good race going and looked to be the winner once again. Watching in real time it looked as if Lorenzo had managed the tires better; however, in the post race interview we learned the cause of his problems. Arm pump! It must have been very frustrating. Nothing is worse than having the will to push and your body not respond. The good new for him is that its treatable. We also learned that his bike was technically sound and his tires were not an issue (his own words). After qual, it seems there was a tide of peeps saying the Honda (and before this the tires) had gone bad. But Stoner debunked that theory (unless we are to selectively believe him when he speaks). He is till the favorite for the title, however, we learned Lorenzo has a greater fighting chance than we had previously estimated.



Cal made good on his preseason form, and it looks like the Brits will have somebody to cheer for this season who will deliver. What has changed? Obviously the formula. Gone from gay bikes to man bikes, which given his propensity for raw riding (as oppose to finesse riding) it seems Cal was placed into GP at the right time. But this is race one, and I fully expect Dovi to be there all season. Good for us.



Dovi, basically performed as well as Cal. In a way I'm glad he has somebody to scrap with, as I think this will help motivate him (as if he needed more motivation). I say this, because losing Marco Simonchelli, a man he scrapped with his entire life, was in my estimation a unique loss to him that most of use probably cannot comprehend. I think having Cal to scrap with will sharpen him as well as Cal. Again, good for us. Btw, the bikes look cool.



Nicky Hayden. Still the most underrated top 5 rider in the world. Ducati GP is a spirit killer, but it has yet to break this man. It sent Melandri packing to another series, almost killed Capirossi, and is now in the throws of making what was just a short time ago, one of the greatest this sport has seen, look ordinary and frustrated. We continue to see this term "alien" thrown around, while ignoring the very obvious parity of machines in the sport. It’s such a ........ term, a lazy term! We basically have four bikes that are competitive in this series, period. I seriously doubt Pedro or Lorenzo, as good as they are, would be capable of doing much more with the Ducati package. The only man who proved he could ride it was Stoner. I've said before, if anybody deserves this ........ word used as a shorthand to say he is a cut above, it would be him; YET, we saw this weekend that in fact, the man is human. The image that I remember most from this event (me being a Hayden fan) is the camera shot of Nicky post race where he looked to be fuming with exasperation and anger. You could see the others around him wanting to congratulate him for giving all he had in that race, but he was not going to accept that accolade. Why? Because he put in a tremendous performance in terms of effort, notwithstanding, it was only good enough for 6th place in a world championship. As a fan, I'm proud of his performance. But as a follower of the sport, the parity is grossly lacking among the factories (really its just two), yet we continue to ignore it and pronounce the top finishers as the true "aliens". What we have in MotoGP is a four bike cup. Two of those four riders are slightly better than their teammates. Nicky has had a unique existence in GP--the worst treatment of him was certainly at Honda under Pedro. Then he became a DucatiGP rider.



Bautista is lucky Randy DePuniet is not riding his bike. He is aboard one of the best machines in the paddock, on a team that is perhaps the best satellite outfit, why he's not running with Dovi and Cal says to me he is overrated.



Bradl, he had a decent ride but certainly not the “great” ride that I’m reading. Not any better or worse than Toesland or Spies on their debut at Qatar. He is on a Honda, so I'm not sure where to gauge him in respect to other riders. Its his first race, and so I think we need more events to judge. However, the comparison I've read in the racing community between his success compared to Elias is ignorant at best. Its a completely different formula and different tires.



Barbera is deserving to be in this class, but I'll quote Cal Crutchlow when asked about him "I don't like him". He managed to run Rossi off track and almost ran Nicky off track, doing what he does best, catching a tow.



Rossi had a bad event. I honestly thought he would have a better race than he qualified but I was wrong. But he also had bad luck in the race. That 10[sup]th[/sup] place looks a lot worse that it was considering that he was about 5 seconds adrift of Nicky at the finish and combining the fact that he had an off track incident which undoubted lost him more or less those 5 seconds (which didn’t look to be his fault) his race might have looked a bit better. I suspect if Rossi would have finished ahead of Nicky (that is, only 3 positions from Stoner) we would be talking technically another reality, though I think the hate for him would have been just as vehement. Question: which hate is better, the hate on Stoner or the hate on Rossi? The human experiment that is PS is quite amazing to see it unfold, as the crop of neo-boppers have taken their hate to the same level as their predecessors (in some cases worse). Yet while doing the debating, they claimed they were above it and better. Its pretty funny. I’m also a bit disgusted with once card-caring boppers (I’ve been here a long time, in the hey days of Rossi) to see some of his staunch supporters turn their back on him. To say Rossi has lost the “sacred fire” (WTF) indicates to me that some people really do ‘worship’ riders. That’s really scary and hilarious at the same time. This of course says nothing about the rider in question, it does however say much about us, the fans.



Spies had a bad event. It should be rather obvious that he had a problem in the race of some technical sort. He dropped back rather spectacularly. And given that the other Yamahas did well, gives us circumstantial evidence that something was not right. Again, it’s hilarious to see the ridiculous comments by some peeps that he’s lost it. Reminds me of the closing qual thread when Stoner didn’t nab pole and the sky seemed to be falling all of a sudden. Get a grip gentz these guys are humans. Race one of eighteen. Spies should have been a dry two-race winner last year, but he got nipped to the line by a more powerful bike (that’s when power counts, not all these other ........ extrapolations). So he is surely a deserving factory rider and has shown it during preseason, practice, and qual. He crashed during a ‘pole-setting pace’ (imagine that) with the added freak luck of getting his hand stuck on the lever. Maybe he was understandably spooked, or maybe he actually had bike issues during the race.



Edwards did better than I thought, as I had picked DePuniet to beat him. Congrats to him. Had he caught up to Spies, I would have loved to be a fly in their motorhome later own when Colin would have been giving him some friendly banter over it. I wonder if the tequila shot bet they had going when they were teammates might be revived.



Depuniet is a better rider than we think.



Hernandez, first Columbian rider to score championship points. Congrats to him.



Great Post Man.



Just one thing regarding Bautista that none of the comentators seemed to pick up on and I havent seen it mentioned here.

He ran the race on the soft compound tyre and I believe he was the only one to do so.
 
Whats up boys? Been a bit busy this week.



First of all, having a season opener BBQ across two continents was probably a first. A few PS members met up in the UK while simultaneously a few met up in the US; we texted and shared vids and pics while the event was ongoing. We had a great time and we were in each other's company in spirit. The power of friendship.



13436:US:UK BBQ.JPG]



So regarding the racing...



Congrats to Lorenzo for a masterful and hard fought win. He won because he didn't give up, and that says a lot about his character and the growth of maturity in the class. Being passed on the straights at will could have been demoralizing, but he kept plugging away. He should be proud.



Pedro did well, but I suppose with his talent its probably a normal place for him being on the best bike on the grid. Despite having legal issues, he did well to keep his head in the race. He also looked to scrap a bit with Lorenzo, and that was nice to see. Congrats to him. However, once Honda finally dump him for Marquez, we may begin to see what he’s really made of, though I’m not holding my breath. Given the political connections of Alberto Puig, I think Dani, for as long as hes in MotoGP, will always have a well sorted seat. There may be a Spanish champion this year, despite again being on the top kit in the championship, he will not deliver.



Stoner had a good race going and looked to be the winner once again. Watching in real time it looked as if Lorenzo had managed the tires better; however, in the post race interview we learned the cause of his problems. Arm pump! It must have been very frustrating. Nothing is worse than having the will to push and your body not respond. The good new for him is that its treatable. We also learned that his bike was technically sound and his tires were not an issue (his own words). After qual, it seems there was a tide of peeps saying the Honda (and before this the tires) had gone bad. But Stoner debunked that theory (unless we are to selectively believe him when he speaks). He is till the favorite for the title, however, we learned Lorenzo has a greater fighting chance than we had previously estimated.



Cal made good on his preseason form, and it looks like the Brits will have somebody to cheer for this season who will deliver. What has changed? Obviously the formula. Gone from gay bikes to man bikes, which given his propensity for raw riding (as oppose to finesse riding) it seems Cal was placed into GP at the right time. But this is race one, and I fully expect Dovi to be there all season. Good for us.



Dovi, basically performed as well as Cal. In a way I'm glad he has somebody to scrap with, as I think this will help motivate him (as if he needed more motivation). I say this, because losing Marco Simonchelli, a man he scrapped with his entire life, was in my estimation a unique loss to him that most of use probably cannot comprehend. I think having Cal to scrap with will sharpen him as well as Cal. Again, good for us. Btw, the bikes look cool.



Nicky Hayden. Still the most underrated top 5 rider in the world. Ducati GP is a spirit killer, but it has yet to break this man. It sent Melandri packing to another series, almost killed Capirossi, and is now in the throws of making what was just a short time ago, one of the greatest this sport has seen, look ordinary and frustrated. We continue to see this term "alien" thrown around, while ignoring the very obvious parity of machines in the sport. It’s such a ........ term, a lazy term! We basically have four bikes that are competitive in this series, period. I seriously doubt Pedro or Lorenzo, as good as they are, would be capable of doing much more with the Ducati package. The only man who proved he could ride it was Stoner. I've said before, if anybody deserves this ........ word used as a shorthand to say he is a cut above, it would be him; YET, we saw this weekend that in fact, the man is human. The image that I remember most from this event (me being a Hayden fan) is the camera shot of Nicky post race where he looked to be fuming with exasperation and anger. You could see the others around him wanting to congratulate him for giving all he had in that race, but he was not going to accept that accolade. Why? Because he put in a tremendous performance in terms of effort, notwithstanding, it was only good enough for 6th place in a world championship. As a fan, I'm proud of his performance. But as a follower of the sport, the parity is grossly lacking among the factories (really its just two), yet we continue to ignore it and pronounce the top finishers as the true "aliens". What we have in MotoGP is a four bike cup. Two of those four riders are slightly better than their teammates. Nicky has had a unique existence in GP--the worst treatment of him was certainly at Honda under Pedro. Then he became a DucatiGP rider.



Bautista is lucky Randy DePuniet is not riding his bike. He is aboard one of the best machines in the paddock, on a team that is perhaps the best satellite outfit, why he's not running with Dovi and Cal says to me he is overrated.



Bradl, he had a decent ride but certainly not the “great” ride that I’m reading. Not any better or worse than Toesland or Spies on their debut at Qatar. He is on a Honda, so I'm not sure where to gauge him in respect to other riders. Its his first race, and so I think we need more events to judge. However, the comparison I've read in the racing community between his success compared to Elias is ignorant at best. Its a completely different formula and different tires.



Barbera is deserving to be in this class, but I'll quote Cal Crutchlow when asked about him "I don't like him". He managed to run Rossi off track and almost ran Nicky off track, doing what he does best, catching a tow.



Rossi had a bad event. I honestly thought he would have a better race than he qualified but I was wrong. But he also had bad luck in the race. That 10[sup]th[/sup] place looks a lot worse that it was considering that he was about 5 seconds adrift of Nicky at the finish and combining the fact that he had an off track incident which undoubted lost him more or less those 5 seconds (which didn’t look to be his fault) his race might have looked a bit better. I suspect if Rossi would have finished ahead of Nicky (that is, only 3 positions from Stoner) we would be talking technically another reality, though I think the hate for him would have been just as vehement. Question: which hate is better, the hate on Stoner or the hate on Rossi? The human experiment that is PS is quite amazing to see it unfold, as the crop of neo-boppers have taken their hate to the same level as their predecessors (in some cases worse). Yet while doing the debating, they claimed they were above it and better. Its pretty funny. I’m also a bit disgusted with once card-caring boppers (I’ve been here a long time, in the hey days of Rossi) to see some of his staunch supporters turn their back on him. To say Rossi has lost the “sacred fire” (WTF) indicates to me that some people really do ‘worship’ riders. That’s really scary and hilarious at the same time. This of course says nothing about the rider in question, it does however say much about us, the fans.



Spies had a bad event. It should be rather obvious that he had a problem in the race of some technical sort. He dropped back rather spectacularly. And given that the other Yamahas did well, gives us circumstantial evidence that something was not right. Again, it’s hilarious to see the ridiculous comments by some peeps that he’s lost it. Reminds me of the closing qual thread when Stoner didn’t nab pole and the sky seemed to be falling all of a sudden. Get a grip gentz these guys are humans. Race one of eighteen. Spies should have been a dry two-race winner last year, but he got nipped to the line by a more powerful bike (that’s when power counts, not all these other ........ extrapolations). So he is surely a deserving factory rider and has shown it during preseason, practice, and qual. He crashed during a ‘pole-setting pace’ (imagine that) with the added freak luck of getting his hand stuck on the lever. Maybe he was understandably spooked, or maybe he actually had bike issues during the race.



Edwards did better than I thought, as I had picked DePuniet to beat him. Congrats to him. Had he caught up to Spies, I would have loved to be a fly in their motorhome later own when Colin would have been giving him some friendly banter over it. I wonder if the tequila shot bet they had going when they were teammates might be revived.



Depuniet is a better rider than we think.



Hernandez, first Columbian rider to score championship points. Congrats to him.



I know I'm not contributing to the discussion, but could you please use the wonderful spoiler-tags when quoting long posts. See above (Jumkie, used your great post as an example, since so many quoted it and just added a single line of text)
 
Bradl, he had a decent ride but certainly not the “great” ride that I’m reading. Not any better or worse than Toesland or Spies on their debut at Qatar. He is on a Honda, so I'm not sure where to gauge him in respect to other riders.



Guage him higher then Simoncelli because he's already had more success
 
The fact that Bautista used soft tires and could do the whole race is also pretty good and more so proof that Stoner didn't cook his tires.
 
I know I'm not contributing to the discussion, but could you please use the wonderful spoiler-tags when quoting long posts. See above (Jumkie, used your great post as an example, since so many quoted it and just added a single line of text)



Its just a lot easier, more sensible, better for the environment, PC, more polite, sexier, more hygienic, faster, more talented, more ambitious etc, if folk who don't want to know race results, stay off sites about racing in the series they don't want to know about.
 
The fact that Bautista used soft tires and could do the whole race is also pretty good and more so proof that Stoner didn't cook his tires.



Well ..... not really ....... Stoner is pretty hard on tyres, especially when compared to Bautista.
 

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