Still a differenmce between Hard and not so hard compound.
Remember your own quote, Stoner was driving safe and boring = not sliding and not cooking tires as usual.
Still a differenmce between Hard and not so hard compound.
Remember your own quote, Stoner was driving safe and boring = not sliding and not cooking tires as usual.
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unda cheese
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As u go about comparing their debut seasons, a few points to consider: there were no CRTs back then to pad the satellite bike finishing order, every race and qual was competed against only fellow "prototypes". In 2010 we had 17 regular proper "prototypes" to todays 11, with a few "prototype" wildcards, where as today more than likely all wildcards will be of a CRT nature (its already reported some have sought entry). In a real sense, we have a much more shallow field. Edwards & Depuniet, were on "prototypes" back then, there were 6 Hondas to 4 today, and 2 Suzuki factory bikes to today's zero. The Ducatis, which were 5, seemed a bit better than today's Ducs if u consider that the top 4 finishers at Qatar in 2010 came in just over a second of eachother, Nicky being nipped by Dovi's Honda by a nano meter, the best Duc this year was 30+ secs adrift. Simoncelli finished the season in 8th, ahead of 9 proper "prototypes", if u want to just focus on Qatar results, well Bradl did beat 3 "prototypes" to Simonchelli's 2 (of the finishers, but if u count the DNFs, Sic beat 6 to Bradl 4); however, given that one of those was Spies, its unlikely to continue (though Bradl will prob have the edge on Abraham/Duc all year, Simonchelli had the edge out names like Melandri, Edwards, DePuniet, and 250 champ Aoyama (all on good machines) in addition to Bautista & Capirossi (on factory Suzuki...whatever that means). Also, Sic had a teammate of considerable talent (Menlandri), Bradl doesn't, so it will be hard to gauge him against another rider on equal machine; but if we can use Bautista as a loose comparison (satellite Honda vs satellite Honda) then Bradl got beat on his debut race by another "equal" as oppose to Simonchelli beating Melandri on his debut. Not sure how ur gonna make profound analysis while comparing them, but its unlikely Bradl will beat over half the number of "prototype" entries at season end, Simonchelli beat ( 9/17) in his debut season. That is, in terms of rate, Sic managed to beat just over half the "prototypes" in classification points, Bradl will need to beat at least 6 "prototypes" to match Sic, 7 to beat him in terms of apples to apples (rate of just over half). I suppose its possible, all he was to do is beat all 4 DucKs (very likely considering the lack of parity) but he has to also beat either three more Hondas or Yamahas, or a combination of each.
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I don't know much about Mr. Williams, but I know about Giulio Nava, and Carlo Luzzi, both ex-Yamaha electronics engineers now working at HRC, and for sure they are from Italy
I surely agree about the rear bias bikes: old style. But that style seems to work fine with Bridgestones, for Stoner at least.
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unda cheese
Lemme get out my scientific calendar and my calcalus for dummies book so I can even understand your analysis.
Oh ...., theres smoke pluming from the calculator. I think its gonna blow. An error message keeps blinking, reading "cant compute. Must self destruct"
I look at the scoreboard and I see the results. Sic 11th place, Bradl 8th.I choose to see the facts. Maybe youre not seeing clearly with Sic wig on your head. Either the hair is hanging in your eyes or the stretchband it too tight and cutting off your circulation.
Sic beat who???? The mouthpiece, the token, the psychiatric patient and the gravel dwelling frog. I just saw those guys on a VH1 episode of "where are they now"
Thats almost as dumb as saying that someone who quits a race actually finishes in front of someone else
Oh ...., theres smoke pluming from the calculator. I think its gonna blow. An error message keeps blinking, reading "cant compute. Must self destruct"
I look at the scoreboard and I see the results. Sic 11th place, Bradl 8th.I choose to see the facts. Maybe youre not seeing clearly with Sic wig on your head. Either the hair is hanging in your eyes or the stretchband it too tight and cutting off your circulation.
Sic beat who???? The mouthpiece, the token, the psychiatric patient and the gravel dwelling frog. I just saw those guys on a VH1 episode of "where are they now"
Thats almost as dumb as saying that someone who quits a race actually finishes in front of someone else
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unda cheese
Should we pretend that he's not dead and stop referring to him and everyone who has passed on as well.
I think its fair to compare and contrast the results of Bradl and Sic given they they are both recent support class champs who became satellite Honda riders.
I think its fair to compare and contrast the results of Bradl and Sic given they they are both recent support class champs who became satellite Honda riders.
I don't know much about Mr. Williams, but I know about Giulio Nava, and Carlo Luzzi, both ex-Yamaha electronics engineers now working at HRC, and for sure they are from Italy
I surely agree about the rear bias bikes: old style. But that style seems to work fine with Bridgestones, for Stoner at least.
His win totals only became lower and lower every year he was on the Duc. 10,6,4, and 3 wins with one championship that came before the japanese stepped up their game. Just comparing his crash rate then to now is enough to know that a rear bias bike is not worth the trouble. Since he's been on the Honda it isn't even fresh in my memory the last time he crashed on his own, in a race or practice, that was not the case while on the POS Ducati.
Oooops!!! My bad, i totally though it was you. Sorry.
My opinion still remains, If the messy Bautista can make it to the end on soft Stoner can make it to the end on Hard.
BTW i can't find that spoiler button mentioned earlier.
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Norah Head
Its ok I found it. I actually referred to the tyres and you must have assumed I meant the rest as well. Easy done when that is what is one your mind.
No harm done.
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Norah Head
I think it is more honorable to talk and accept how Simoncelli was. I find it very disrespectful to build him up into something he was not. Folk should be remembered as it really was. Otherwise you are saying you did not feel the real person should have existed, and exist Simoncelli definitely should have, and most certainly did.
Yea of course, common sense. But that was not my point at all
It's the quoting of loooooong posts that is killing my scroll wheel, so a nice spoiler-tag to avoid repetition of text that has already been read once. And the thread looks more tidy on top of that
It's just a suggestion, not something that will revolutionize the world as we know it
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Yea of course, common sense. But that was not my point at allsorry if I was unclear
It's the quoting of loooooong posts that is killing my scroll wheel, so a nice spoiler-tag to avoid repetition of text that has already been read once. And the thread looks more tidy on top of that
It's just a suggestion, not something that will revolutionize the world as we know it
Yea of course, common sense. But that was not my point at allsorry if I was unclear
It's the quoting of loooooong posts that is killing my scroll wheel, so a nice spoiler-tag to avoid repetition of text that has already been read once. And the thread looks more tidy on top of that
It's just a suggestion, not something that will revolutionize the world as we know it
Oh I see your point now.
And I think its a great idea, especially with Jumkie's posts
Sorry about the confusion.
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