If you ever have the good fortune to run into Kevin Cameron, ask him about race tires.
I brag about all sorts of things. I usually get shown up within 5 seconds of doing so.
If you ever have the good fortune to run into Kevin Cameron, ask him about race tires.
I brag about all sorts of things. I usually get shown up within 5 seconds of doing so.
As I said JPS.
A front end loss allows a somewhat controlled slide hopefully to a gentle halt although sometimes into a more violent outcome, be that hitting the gravel etc.
Plus, front end losses can be diagnosed somewhat based on telemetry feedback which provides throttle, brake, lean angle, tyre pressure etc information, thus you can get a very good idea of what happened leading up to the washing out
A blown tyre, well just goes and will result in a more violent and uncontrolled or uncontrollable departure from the motorcycle for the rider (Redding did brilliant to hold his as did Mladin all those years back). In addition, the blown tyre generally will occur at higher speeds (Nakano at near 300, Baz at 280+ and Redding) and generally where the speed is higher, the damage or risk is exponentially increased.
With a lowside (be that due to lean angle or unexpected) these can occur at fast or slow speeds but due to the nature of the rider generally being at ground level, the subsequent injury risk is lesser than a rider falling from height in an uncontrolled fashion
Sure you are right in that there have been two tyre failures in thousands of laps thus far but there may well also be 'near failures' of which we are unaware and if you look at year on year figures, the lowside occurred last year and the year before, the blow out did not, thus the priority is the blowout as it is a new phenomenon (relatively speaking)
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Petrucci was to ride at Qatar but rebroke the hand by riding the Ducati, so maybe we should stop riding Ducati's as they may cause an injury as well
Source - https://twitter.com/Petrux9
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I think catastrophic failure of tyres at a technical level is different than the front tyres not offering what the riders have been accustomed to previously with Bridgestone as a tyre supplier, or even the front tyres offering less than ideal grip per se, and that once such a failure has occurred it would be legally and ethically indefensible for all parties involved if a repeat failure had serious consequences in a race. Hell, if they were going to ban equipment for being prone to front end washouts they would have had to ban Ducati's bike for about 4 of the most recent seasons.
There is also precedent for such occurrences with Michelin tyres without any question of nefarious influences to aid Rossi; I am sure you remember the F1 race concerned.
I am still inclined to give Dorna significant blame; they started instructing tyre manufacturers as to desirable characteristics other than durability or optimum performance to "improve the racing" in imitation of F1 years ago.
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Laughing remembering MickD's gotcha attempt when I said Michelin's first iteration of tires were grossly inadequate due to a high number of crashes. Now the tires are blowing up forcing Michelin to withdraw multiple compounds hours before a race. Oh, and riders are still having front end washouts. I guess he gotme.
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What a cluster ...., extra session cancelled.
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None of these guys have ridden here in the rain since 2014 and now they're doing it on Michelins. Right now only light drizzle. Dry line likely to occur before long. ....... Rossi fans booking Rossi. Stupid ...... Ducati winglets look extra big this morning. My imagination?
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Maybe you can ask Rainey about lowsides?
Just saying dude, you're acting as if a "controlled slide" is somehow more preferable, and what I'm telling you is that they are just as dangerous because they create the illusion to people that there is somehow control, when there really isn't. Simoncelli nearly low-sided and then it turned into something far worse...all precipitated by what was a low-side initially.
Riding the Ducati caused the hand breaking? Get out of here with that straw man ......... The Michelin's have been washing out since last year but apparently that's not been considered a "large evil" by you or anyone else.
The Michelin's are .... tires right now, and it begs the question of what exactly they've been doing for the last 2 years.
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Hopefully it stay wet, I'm not really interested in watching another round of nasbike.
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I have mixed feelings, I want the weather to do whatever will not benefit Rossi. Though I think either option is going to benefit him, I'm still holding onto the belief one option is better than the other.
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WEC more likely...fascinating how great of a tire they build for the Le Mans Prototype 1's, and they seem genuinely lost with GP tires.
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Not as if F1 tire technology is somehow transferable to MotoGp technology. Michelin has a ....-load of catching up to do. One almost has to speculate just how good the Michelins were to begin with even at the height of their popularity in MGP, given how dependent they were on the whole overnight advantage and how superior the Bridgestones became (without that advantage) in a relatively short period of time. It seems the Japanese really did their homework (and extensive testing) and Michelin... not so much.
BTW - Rossi does look supremely confident. Couldn't find a chart on who fell and how many times in practice - but seems like Rossi managed to keep the shiny side up and remain competitive throughout all practices. Glad to see Lorenzo finally get up to speed. If it's dry, and MM keeps his cool, I think his Stoner-like ability to ride on the edge of continually crashing, will stand him well at this particular venue. Could be we'll get him and Rossi trading places - tho with more finesse this time around.
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