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And there is more proof during the race when they are showing top speeds end of the front straight Lorenzo 330s MM mid 340s Your right Im emotional about this because Im sick of them changing the rules all the time. This fuel cutting is BS. If they would not have screwed with everything and MM Still dominated Id give credit where credit is due but as it is he is handed this streak because of rule changes. Rossi is doing what he can with what he has. trying to make the bike suit his style of riding with new chassis but that's all he can do and why he doing better. Motor cant be touched which is BS fuel is cut Yamaha didn't do as well with that change as Honda. Just my thoughts !!
Epic race. Jorge took it to MM, but the kid still prevailed. Marquez is dominating the season so far. Very impressive.
It was a good race for once in the fact that the winner wasn't obvious by the end of the 4th lap. Nice to see JL riding well again. It sucks Rossi couldn't make it a bi-lingual blood fest at the front. He didn't quite have the pace.
In the end the race came down to the front straight speed. That was it. Unless MM was only trying to make a show of it, the speed through all the turns was fairly equal. JL rode with a bit more gusto perhaps, and was willing to lay more on the line with aggressive passes. That said, each time they would hit the straight, the Honda Machine's advantage took over. Lorenzo tried to use every square inch of the track to maximize his drive out of the corner. He even ran off track once, kicking up a cloud of dirt. Nonetheless, the Honda would just power by each time. Best race of the season, but that's meant as a backhanded compliment.
In the end the race came down to the front straight speed. That was it. Unless MM was only trying to make a show of it, the speed through all the turns was fairly equal. JL rode with a bit more gusto perhaps, and was willing to lay more on the line with aggressive passes. That said, each time they would hit the straight, the Honda Machine's advantage took over. Lorenzo tried to use every square inch of the track to maximize his drive out of the corner. He even ran off track once, kicking up a cloud of dirt. Nonetheless, the Honda would just power by each time. Best race of the season, but that's meant as a backhanded compliment.
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Its called drafting, the second bike will almost always record a faster trap speed. There were 3 Yamahas that posted faster trap speeds than Marquez today, Smith, P Espargaro, and Rossi. Marquez had the 10th fastest trap speed, Lorenzo 11th. Lorenzo's slower speeds are attributed to him being the lead bike. Lorenzo had 95% of the last lap to make up what was inches coming out of the 1st turn. I also noticed that Honda's advantage in braking has been reduced considerably with the larger rotors. These bikes are way closer than people make them out to be.
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Once you declare someone a cheater, unless you can suck it up and admit you are wrong, you will travel down a road of denial and conspiracy, no matter how foolish it makes you look.
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MM = What can you say, he has mastered the sport for the moment
Jorge = Welcome back bro, was kind of wishing you won.
Rossi = Must say the old dog is earning his new contract
Dani Dani Dani = Dani Dani Dani, when are you going to grow some balls and take a few chances. Sometime you have to impose your will, not wait for for .... to happen. Thats 2 races in a row where your competitors have gone from 10th to in contention for a win, while you sit back waiting for things to open up.
Pol = Hmm not bad, not to bad at all
Andrea= Top Duc, barely
Smith = broken record, start looking for a job.
Bautista = 1 foot forward 2 feet back.
Jorge = Welcome back bro, was kind of wishing you won.
Rossi = Must say the old dog is earning his new contract
Dani Dani Dani = Dani Dani Dani, when are you going to grow some balls and take a few chances. Sometime you have to impose your will, not wait for for .... to happen. Thats 2 races in a row where your competitors have gone from 10th to in contention for a win, while you sit back waiting for things to open up.
Pol = Hmm not bad, not to bad at all
Andrea= Top Duc, barely
Smith = broken record, start looking for a job.
Bautista = 1 foot forward 2 feet back.
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For those who may not have seen Bradl's warm up highside, he may have the record for airtime before impact.
Bradl Mugello 2014 Warmup - Gfycat
Bradl Mugello 2014 Warmup - Gfycat
Thanks Pov, I wasn't sure what drafting was until you laid this out for me
. I'm kidding man, but please tell me then why JL didn't fly right by MM heading into the final lap... I mean, he was behind MM headed down the straight, right? Your assertion all season is that the bikes are equal. That's simply not the case. Marquez would catch Lorenzo 1/4 of the way down the straight. When Lorenzo was behind, he would catch him by the end, or not at all. Simply put, there's grip and drive coming out of a corner creating acceleration, there's top end speed, and there's stability under intense braking at the end of the straight. The Honda holds an advantage in all three phases. MM said he changed his gear setup which gave him a top end advantage. You can never add to the top end without sacrificing acceleration. That means the Honda acceleration advantage is so great, they could sacrifice some, to gain a top end advantage too. And somehow in your mind, the bikes are equal? The personal Marc Marquez advantage which you're trying to prove, isn't something he would add by rolling the throttle back. With Anti-Wheelie, fuel mapping, and traction control, ANYONE can twist the throttle back, ANYONE. The Honda Machine is superior, sorry man.
Lorenzo even said himself that he's down on top end power, and that's why he lost the race, which echoed my exact analysis post race. Lorenzo said, "We need a little more top speed, because on the straight ever little 10th (of a second) I take on the corner I lose it on the straight. With probably three or four kilometers I can do more for this position." [source: cyclenews] I guess you know better than Lorenzo in this case.
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Holy ...., you ain't kidding! That crash was like a double whammy. The bike went low side first, then hooked up just enough to LAUNCH his ...!
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I ....... love to read your comments , here and at F1 threads.
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Thanks Pov, I wasn't sure what drafting was until you laid this out for me
MM said he changed his gear setup which gave him a top end advantage. You can never add to the top end without sacrificing acceleration. That means the Honda acceleration advantage is so great, they could sacrifice some, to gain a top end advantage too. And somehow in your mind, the bikes are equal? The personal Marc Marquez advantage which you're trying to prove, isn't something he would add by rolling the throttle back. With Anti-Wheelie, fuel mapping, and traction control, ANYONE can twist the throttle back, ANYONE. The Honda Machine is superior, sorry man.
Lorenzo even said himself that he's down on top end power, and that's why he lost the race, which echoed my exact analysis post race. Lorenzo said, "We need a little more top speed, because on the straight ever little 10th (of a second) I take on the corner I lose it on the straight. With probably three or four kilometers I can do more for this position." [source: cyclenews] I guess you know better than Lorenzo in this case.
Probably because he was leading Marquez starting the final lap.
Wrong, Lorenzo was leading when they started the final lap. Lorenzo's setup is ultimately responsible for his speed, or lack thereof. There were Yamahas that were faster than Marquez's Honda in trap speed. Like i said before, Marquez's bike was only 10th fastest on the day and Lorenzo's 11th.Top speed is a very small part of a wi nning bike. One more thing and listen carefully. I did not say they were equal, i said they were not as far apart as some let on.
So if anyone can turn the throttle what is MM doing to get the power down. He's getting the bike stood up before anyone else and there was only one other guy who could do it. He has incredible bike control and if the grid was full of Hondas he would still be kicking their ..... until they could ride like him and CS. The only reason he didn't look so dominant today is because the track, long corners. If the bikes position determines it's throttle out put then you have to manipulate the bike for it to give you power. Simple to say, but only two guys have been able to do it. It's the rider not the bike.Thanks Pov, I wasn't sure what drafting was until you laid this out for me
MM said he changed his gear setup which gave him a top end advantage. You can never add to the top end without sacrificing acceleration. That means the Honda acceleration advantage is so great, they could sacrifice some, to gain a top end advantage too. And somehow in your mind, the bikes are equal? The personal Marc Marquez advantage which you're trying to prove, isn't something he would add by rolling the throttle back. With Anti-Wheelie, fuel mapping, and traction control, ANYONE can twist the throttle back, ANYONE. The Honda Machine is superior, sorry man.
Lorenzo even said himself that he's down on top end power, and that's why he lost the race, which echoed my exact analysis post race. Lorenzo said, "We need a little more top speed, because on the straight ever little 10th (of a second) I take on the corner I lose it on the straight. With probably three or four kilometers I can do more for this position." [source: cyclenews] I guess you know better than Lorenzo in this case.
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It always amuses me to see the same people who complained incessantly about how electronics were making the difference with rear wheel hop etc etc now revising their own history based on Marquez. No more boring race write ups. No more boycott threats. Hawk Pov and Krop the Three Marquez Amigos.
Sure Marquez is the best rider. I would speculate if he was on the Yamaha and Lorenzo on the Honda the results would be the same..................or would they? Marquez six straight on the Yam? Maybe, maybe not. With one litre less fuel they are more slaves to the electronics than ever. The Honda allows the throttle heavy technique you describe above, not sure if the Yam does as well. Marquez may adapt to that, in fact I think like all great riders he would find a way, but it sure would be interesting to see.
The observation I have from this race is simple mathematics. If we witness those swooping lines especially on the last corner Lorenzo actually rode a longer distance race than Marquez. In a non-fuel limited formula it wouldnt matter too much, but at present if we add up those precious few meters on every corner every lap it possibly adds up to quite a bit. I dont think Lorenzo's style is favoured at all at present with this formula.
And who came up with the fuel limited formula? Was it Yamaha? No. So in an attempt to explain, Marquez's greatness does not preclude Honda cheating this series with locked engines and ever diminishing fuel limits now does it. Pov and Krop wont get it, you might.
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