Malaysian *RACE* thread

[Keshav]

Reading this makes it sound all a bit Kevin Schwantz. Stoner is spectacular on the bike and always gives the impression he's about to do something special, but when it comes down to it he doesn't get the results most of us think he should.







What a load of ..... The depth of this judgement based on so little knowledge of his character is hilarious.







If Spies is pissed off because of this then he is being pretty pathetic and would go down a lot in my estimation. If Ben or any of the other riders want to give Jorge a meaningful and sincere congratulations they will have plenty of chances around the paddock in the next few weeks, hand shakes on the cool down lap are a token gesture so everyone seems like a nice guy while the cameras or on. I don't think Ben or Jorge will be bothered about this at all.

The judgement is based on the basic facts of the lives of racers as are well known to people who have followed racing for decades.

Kropotikin has pointed out numerous times how un-rounded racers are as individuals. Having run and raced with an endurance team

for 6 years in the AMA-CCS series gives me a certain amount of perspective as well. And the end results, those being the stupid

little theater pieces are pretty hard evidence of his general lack of imagination or exposure to much of anything but hotel room TV

and video games.

 

[Tom]

Of all the riders lower down in the standings - the only one other than Spies and Stoner who

strike me as having more potential on the Honda is Bautista - who I think is more focused

and more talented than Dovi.

Based on what?

As much as I remember he did battle with Rossi before and Rossi actually fell? Dont remember what race it was.

Yes they battled at Donnington last year, Rossi fell, Dovi won. Also they battled at Qatar 08, Dovi won

 

[Keshav]

As much as I remember he did battle with Rossi before and Rossi actually fell? Dont remember what race it was.

If so - one brief exposure to Rossi's riding technique would not be considered "having history" with him.

It takes even the best riders some time to "get the measure" of the top contenders.

 

[Keshav]

Based on what?







Yes they battled at Donnington last year, Rossi fell, Dovi won. Also they battled at Qatar 08, Dovi won

Based on the fact that Bautista was always consistently higher in the points when they raced against each

other in the 250 class. Based on how competitive Bautista has been on the ...... Suzuki.



BTW - what the .... is the matter with you today? Since when did you get so pissy?

 

[DRILL]

WTF is this crap with Jorge? FFS he`s just won the MOTOGP WC,he has a right to get carried away in his own major acheivements.Lighten up people.

 

[L8Braker]

Well congrates to Lorenzo 2010 World Champ!

Congrats to Rossi for winning a hellva race!

 

[Tom]

Based on the fact that Bautista was always consistently higher in the points when they raced against each

other in the 250 class. Based on how competitive Bautista has been on the ...... Suzuki.



BTW - what the .... is the matter with you today? Since when did you get so pissy?

Sorry i was being pissy about your analysis of Lorenzo simply because it was so stupid.



As far as the bautistas thing, i'm intrigued. Alvaro has impressed me more this year than at any point in his career so far and i definitely think he deserves a better bike. But you seem to have your wires crossed. Dovi and Bautista were only in 250 together when Alvaro was a rookie and Dovi was substantially better. Andrea got two admirable runner up spots to Lorenzo in 250 while Bautista was always fast but crashed a lot, he was runner up in 08 to Simoncelli, but was not very impressive in 2009 when he made far too many mistakes and slipped to 4th. All in all i'd give Dovi the edge, but i think Bautista has more to offer than we've seen so far.

 

[DRILL]

Sorry i was being pissy about your analysis of Lorenzo simply because it was so stupid.



As far as the bautistas thing, i'm intrigued. Alvaro has impressed me more this year than at any point in his career so far and i definitely think he deserves a better bike. But you seem to have your wires crossed. Dovi and Bautista were only in 250 together when Alvaro was a rookie and Dovi was substantially better. Andrea got two admirable runner up spots to Lorenzo in 250 while Bautista was always fast but crashed a lot, he was runner up in 08 to Simoncelli, but was not very impressive in 2009 when he made far too many mistakes and slipped to 4th. All in all i'd give Dovi the edge, but i think Bautista has more to offer than we've seen so far.

Think you`re right on Bautista Tom,but,he must come of age in 2011 on the back of his resurgent form.

 

[moto3]

Why bother with pics when video shows so much more.

Because some people still think JL snubbed BS by watching the video. The picture pin pointed the moment that JL`s face was down and did not notice BS when he was besides him. I was amazed that there were still some people who feels bitter about anything JL does and pick up something trivia to sluggish him off.

 

[Tom]

Think you`re right on Bautista Tom,but,he must come of age in 2011 on the back of his resurgent form.

I kind of agree, but having seen what has happened to most of Suzuki's previous riders i'm just hoping he can stay well and get something better for 2012.

 

[LittleEgg]

And Hayden doesn't podium much either. All the Duc riders have struggled.

He didnt drop the honda as much either

 

[DRILL]

I kind of agree, but having seen what has happened to most of Suzuki's previous riders i'm just hoping he can stay well and get something better for 2012.

Thats the key issue Tom,for sure.

 

[povol]

A bit bitchy over such a small thing? if it was/wasnt a snub who the .... cares either way, it will make for an interesting battle next year within yamaha if true. You haters jump on comments against any of rossi's rivals quicker than the boppers do over anti rossi comments.

....And....so caseys front end IS a hazard, but nobody must suggest that rossi's bike hasnt always been up to scratch. Funny how hayden doesnt drop it as much.

Being a Hayden fan, it pains me yo say this, but when you are consistently 7-8 10ths slower than your teammate on a bike with front end issues, your going to crash less. Nicky seems to take what the bike will give him,Stoner throws caution to the wind and hopes it sticks. Congrats to Lorenzo= Lame celebration, Congrats to Rossi, good ride. The new Yamaha engine is visibly stronger, The Honda could not just hang around and blow by the Yamaha on the straights. I love the back to back to back races, Gp should look at extending their schedule by a couple of races and do it more often. The 3 and sometimes 4 weeks between races is counter productive.

 

[J4rn0]

I think the differences between engines were less visible at Sepang, because they reduced the laps from 21 to 20 so fuel limitations for once were not so restrictive and all engines could use optimal maps. It is one of those cases in which less (laps) is better

 

[chopperman]

Being a Hayden fan, it pains me yo say this, but when you are consistently 7-8 10ths slower than your teammate on a bike with front end issues, your going to crash less. Nicky seems to take what the bike will give him,Stoner throws caution to the wind and hopes it sticks. Congrats to Lorenzo= Lame celebration, Congrats to Rossi, good ride. The new Yamaha engine is visibly stronger, The Honda could not just hang around and blow by the Yamaha on the straights. I love the back to back to back races, Gp should look at extending their schedule by a couple of races and do it more often. The 3 and sometimes 4 weeks between races is counter productive.

The trouble with the duke is it has 2 riders that couldn't develop a wet dream in a ....o set let alone a top-tier race bike. That duke has gone down hill since capi left. Im sure rossi and crew can turn this around and you will see haystack back at the sharp end because of it. Whether this will happen in 2011 is debatable because the 2011 bike is already built. It's the 2012 bike that will be the bike to beat. That's not to say rossi, jb and crew cant make some good improvement's with the bike next year and im sure hayden is hoping for this, if not he could be looking for another job.



Is the contract with stoner and HRC signed and sealed ? or just in principle ? After this stoner performance and dovi's recent performances they must be asking themselves some serious questions.

 

[Keshav]

Sorry i was being pissy about your analysis of Lorenzo simply because it was so stupid.



As far as the bautistas thing, i'm intrigued. Alvaro has impressed me more this year than at any point in his career so far and i definitely think he deserves a better bike. But you seem to have your wires crossed. Dovi and Bautista were only in 250 together when Alvaro was a rookie and Dovi was substantially better. Andrea got two admirable runner up spots to Lorenzo in 250 while Bautista was always fast but crashed a lot, he was runner up in 08 to Simoncelli, but was not very impressive in 2009 when he made far too many mistakes and slipped to 4th. All in all i'd give Dovi the edge, but i think Bautista has more to offer than we've seen so far.

Thanks for concise counter argument. You don't usually resort to ad hominem attacks. Anyhow... lets face it. On the bike these guys are brilliant.

But off the track they're essentially jocks. They start racing at 14 years old and stop going to school as soon as is legally allowed by the laws of

their country. During off season their focus is on training training and more training. During the season - they're constantly on the move from one

country to another and when they're not traveling - they're either resting up or training more. It would be a lot ask - to expect any of them to be

well versed in culture and politics and the arts. They're jocks.

 

[Keshav]

He didnt drop the honda as much either

He wasn't on a customer bike either.

 

[michaelm]

The trouble with the duke is it has 2 riders that couldn't develop a wet dream in a ....o set let alone a top-tier race bike. That duke has gone down hill since capi left. Im sure rossi and crew can turn this around and you will see haystack back at the sharp end because of it. Whether this will happen in 2011 is debatable because the 2011 bike is already built. It's the 2012 bike that will be the bike to beat. That's not to say rossi, jb and crew cant make some good improvement's with the bike next year and im sure hayden is hoping for this, if not he could be looking for another job.



Is the contract with stoner and HRC signed and sealed ? or just in principle ? After this stoner performance and dovi's recent performances they must be asking themselves some serious questions.

I agree there is almost no chance the 2012 bike won't be good; it may not even have a carbon fibre chassis if valentino doesn't like it. No-one has successfully set up a carbon fibre motogp bike as yet; if it can be done rossi is the man to do it. The 2008 ducati wasn't too bad once they replaced the dud 2008 engine for which stoner can hardly be blamed.



Dovi is good but still hasn't won a dry race. In this race jorge needing 6 (?7 ) points was never going to fight hard against anyone vaguely near his pace.



Good ride obviously by valentino (which I did see); maybe he doesn't need the surgery.



I didn't see stoner go down, deliberately not watching the first 2 laps because I thought they were dangerous for him (didn't work obviously). He would seem to have made a tactical error and tried to catch dovi and jorge quickly ; I always thought valentino was more likely to win than either based on practice times on race set-up and the aforementioned championship factor for jorge so he could have taken it slower.



Whilst stoner is obviously not fit to breathe the same oxygen as valentino or even be in his near vicinity lest he breathe any of valentino's exhaled air, he does have at least one thing in common, in that he will mostly go for the win if he can. I suspect he wouldn't be in win it or bin it mode if his contract status was unclear, then again he may have been feeling pressure from dovi's form although he had just beaten both hrc riders in straight out fights for the win in the previous 2 races.



All will be clear in the fullness of time, perhaps as soon as the valencia test which may be revealing. 22:26 wins against valentino rossi over his only 5 seasons in motogp still seems fairly good to me; I am always surprised you guys consider it so easy to beat rossi.



(EDIT I really think he deliberately put the bike down so valentino could win the race in which jorge won the championship to piss jorge off).

 

[chopperman]

I agree there is almost no chance the 2012 bike won't be good; it may not even have a carbon fibre chassis if valentino doesn't like it. No-one has successfully set up a carbon fibre motogp bike as yet; if it can be done rossi is the man to do it. The 2008 ducati wasn't too bad once they replaced the dud 2008 engine for which stoner can hardly be blamed.



Dovi is good but still hasn't won a dry race. In this race jorge needing 6 (?7 ) points was never going to fight hard against anyone vaguely near his pace.



Good ride obviously by valentino (which I did see); maybe he doesn't need the surgery.



I didn't see stoner go down, deliberately not watching the first 2 laps beacuse I thought they were dangerous for him (didn't work obviously). He would seem to have made a tactical error and tried to catch dovi and jorge quickly ; I always thought valentino was more likely to win than either based on practice times on race set-up and the aforementioned championship factor for jorge so he could have taken it slower.



Whilst stoner is obviously not fit to breathe the same oxygen as valentino or even be in his vicinity lest he breathe any of valentino's exhaled air, he does have at least one thing in common, in that he will mostly go for the win if he can. I suspect he wouldn't be in win it or bin it mode if his contract status was unclear, then again he may have been feeling pressure from dovi's form although he had just beaten both hrc riders in straight out fights for the win in the previous 2 races.



All will be clear in the fullness of time, perhaps as soon as the valencia test which may be revealing. 22:26 wins against valentino rossi over his only 5 seasons in motogp still seems fairly good to me; I am always surprised you guys consider it so easy to beat rossi.



(EDIT I really think he deliberately put the bike down so valentino could win the race in which jorge won the championship to piss jorge off).

i did laugh at you tong in cheek comments but i think you hit the nail on the head. I think stoner crashed because he was desperate to finish ahead of Dovi. A show of strength to his new employers. Sadly he achieved the complete opposite.

 

[LittleEgg]

He wasn't on a customer bike either.

Whats that got to do with the price of cheese?