ESTORIL 2011-FP & QP

Wow, how many of you watched the post Qualy Presser? It was TENSE! Aside from Stoner and Rossi in the Repsol pit, I'm not sure I've seen more direct barbs hurled publicly between guys in a while! This season is shaping up well from a personal conflict standpoint.

Jumkie said:

Well, it was a dry track, so I wouldn't go that far. But yeah, lets not start our own thread.

(I hope Thread-Makermachine-Viper doesn't see it).

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hhahaha i didnt mean loose the front but could of caused a collision in a rossi..gibernau type bump off lol

Lorenzo is worried because he knows he's likely to lose a close race with Sic, and so he is trying to intimidate him in front of the press by accusing him preemptively. He hopes Sic will feel like a schoolboy under examination tomorrow...

Bottom line, he's afraid of Sic imho. All these top riders are getting pretty nervous with Simoncelli being so fast. And big.





Blaming Simoncelli for last year's incident at Valencia is absolutely groundless. It was Lorenzo's mistake, that only by chance did not end like Rossi and Stoner's at Jerez.

J4rn0 said:

Lorenzo is worried because he knows he's likely to lose a close race with Sic, and so he is trying to intimidate him in front of the press by accusing him preemptively. He hopes Sic will feel like a schoolboy under examination tomorrow...

Bottom line, he's afraid of Sic imho. All these top riders are getting pretty nervous with Simoncelli being so fast. And big.

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And they should be. Simoncelli crashed in Jerez, in Estoril he crashed both in free practice yesterday and qualifying today. If I'd be Lorenzo I'd be very nervous that he'd crash again and take me out.

bigbang said:

And they should be. Simoncelli crashed in Jerez, in Estoril he crashed both in free practice yesterday and qualifying today. If I'd be Lorenzo I'd be very nervous that he'd crash again and take me out.

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So now a rider who may crash is dangerous. Well, in fact even a rider speeding at 300kmh is very dangerous, could run over the one who just crashed and kill him. It has happened. The only solution is to abolish motorcycle racing, or even motorcycles in general.



Unless of course you just want to abolish Simoncelli, like Lorenzo.

J4rn0 said:

So now a rider who may crash is dangerous. Well, in fact even a rider speeding at 300kmh is very dangerous, could run over the one who just crashed and kill him. It has happened. The only solution is to abolish motorcycle racing, or even motorcycles in general.



Unless of course you just want to abolish Simoncelli, like Lorenzo.

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It's not that Simoncelli merely crashes - it's that he's demonstrably reckless and thinks nothing of barging intentionally

into other riders.

Good on him - before motorcycle racing goes the way of the pansies. Fairing bashing is good.



I'm surprised that Lorenzo blamed simoncelli for something that was clearly his fault. Don't remember him doing that at the time - must have convinced himself over time that it was someone else's fault.

woody996 said:

Good on him - before motorcycle racing goes the way of the pansies. Fairing bashing is good.



I'm surprised that Lorenzo blamed simoncelli for something that was clearly his fault. Don't remember him doing that at the time - must have convinced himself over time that it was someone else's fault.

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Spoken like a true arm-chair racer. People who've never been in a race and had to trust the professionalism

and competence of another competitor whose lack of either could potentially kill or cripple them - are always

quick to spout this juvenile macho drivel.

there are ways and means keshav, if what you said is true then you are undermining the championships of old - flinging it in and making riders stand up mid corner was the way 30yrs ago, the bikes are so close these days its the only way. Basically, your boy doesnt like a bit of rough and tumble...

Keshav said:

Spoken like a true arm-chair racer. People who've never been in a race and had to trust the professionalism

and competence of another competitor whose lack of either could potentially kill or cripple them - are always

quick to spout this juvenile macho drivel.

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Maybe this is the reason you never made it to MotoGP. Yeah, let that sink in for a while. Dwell on it. Let it haunt you in your sleep

mylexicon said:

Maybe this is the reason you never made it to MotoGP.

Yeah, let that sink in for a while. Dwell on it. Let it haunt you in your sleep

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???

J4rn0 said:

It would be enough to be as fast as Sic... or Pedro... Not something out the world

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Sure, he would probably win if he was as fast as sic or pedrosa, or stoner for that matter.



i was going to say we don't know how fast stoner is on the honda yet, and that still applies till the actual race is over, but he looked to be trying fairly hard in qualifying to only finish 4th, although the last lap was strange.

Mental Anarchist said:

I think it is part of his overall mind game. He is just daring someone to say something about him riding aggressively. He accused Rossi of riding aggressively and suggested there was a bias that caused the officials to look the other way. The allegation of bias is out there and Dorna knows it. Now by doing all those things that Rossi has been allowed to do if any action is taken or Rossi whinges about it then Dorna and Rossi are going to look like fools.



I am beginning to think that there is someone behind the scenes who has laid out a strategy for Stoner to really shake things up. Maybe within Honda but more likely within the Stoner camp.

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Mick doohan.



The commentators didn't seem to make anything of them, but I thought the passes were unnecessary given that it was practice. I don't think there was any question that stoner was not in control or risked losing control of his bike though.

michaelm said:

Mick doohan.



I thought the passes were unnecessary but not all that dangerous .

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So did I.

michaelm said:

Mick doohan.



The commentators didn't seem to make anything of them, but I thought the passes were unnecessary given that it was practice. I don't think there was any question that stoner was not in control or risked losing control of his bike though.

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You could be on to something there with Doohan.



As far as I could tell he did not touch either rider so he did not put either rider or himself in danger. He did not fall off whilst making either move. Both riders he closed down on very quickly so I am quite sure there is a duty of care by riders not at full pace to stay off the racing line or at least try to observe if other riders are coming up on them quickly and then stay out of the way as they would no doubt like the same if they are 'on it'. It was a qualifying session not a practice session. Stoner is trying to make some major changes to his bike and had been making lots of 1 flying lap and back in to continue to set up his bike. He had been off the pace in all sessions so far and was starting to make some headway and I am pretty sure he did not have time nor the inclination to let others get in his way. After all he is a race behind due to no fault of his own and has a big margin to make up on where he should have been.



Sure his moves were aggressive but once again he can not win because on another thread at this very moment there are posters suggesting that Stoner does not like to ride close or bash fairings. In my view he has plenty of reasons to be aggressive and get the job done.

Mental Anarchist said:

As far as I could tell he did not touch either rider so he did not put either rider or himself in danger. He did not fall off whilst making either move. Both riders he closed down on very quickly so I am quite sure there is a duty of care by riders not at full pace to stay off the racing line or at least try to observe if other riders are coming up on them quickly and then stay out of the way as they would no doubt like the same if they are 'on it'. It was a qualifying session not a practice session.

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You make a good point. People dawdling on the racing line is something concerning which he has been consistent, and which he is not alone in being annoyed about, and is at least not something pertaining to which he is hypocritical, since I don't recall him doing it overly.

Keshav said:

Spoken like a true arm-chair racer. People who've never been in a race and had to trust the professionalism

and competence of another competitor whose lack of either could potentially kill or cripple them - are always

quick to spout this juvenile macho drivel.

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Hey Kesh, come on Lorenzo has been smashing into people for ages, what about his last lap pass, if you can really call it that on Pedrosa last year, practically just smashed into the side of him & carried on. Then there was Motegi where his own championchip was at stake & it was half & half between him & rossi but still. The Valencia incident was 110% Lornzos fault, he was damn lucky both he & biking bigfoot were not both on the floor with broken bones. He is just pissed this is his track & how dare anyone get so close to him - ....... ......!



On the "Fairing bashing" - Well not sure what its like anywhere else but when i have partaked in some on track action ive had plenty of paint swapping, its part of racing at club & to some point national level.

dbl

Keshav said:

It's not that Simoncelli merely crashes - it's that he's demonstrably reckless and thinks nothing of barging intentionally

into other riders.

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I think you remember the times when Lorenzo earned his nickname, 'porfuera'. He was one of the wildest and most aggressive young riders, and his behavior was scrutinized by the watchdogs many times. He has matured since then, just as Sic has matured. Even Barbera, the real one who was always dangerous in 250, seems to be more mature now. So singling Sic out is prejudice.





The current record between Lorenzo and Sic is that Lorenzo almost took him out at Valencia last year: it should be Simoncelli the one who has a right to worry. And that wasn't the only time Lorenzo bumped into other riders in MotoGP: he even took out Hayden (and himself) at the start of the 2009 GP in Australia... and that wasn't the only time he put himself and others in trouble. He can't play the part of the 'safety first' rider.

J4rn0 said:

I think you remember the times when Lorenzo earned his nickname, 'porfuera'. He was one of the wildest and most aggressive young riders, and his behavior was scrutinized by the watchdogs many times. He has matured since then, just as Sic has matured. Even Barbera, the real one who was always dangerous in 250, seems to be more mature now. So singling Sic out is prejudice.





The current record between Lorenzo and Sic is that Lorenzo almost took him out at Valencia last year: it should be Simoncelli the one who has a right to worry. And that wasn't the only time Lorenzo bumped into other riders in MotoGP: he even took out Hayden (and himself) at the start of the 2009 GP in Australia... and that wasn't the only time he put himself and others in trouble. He can't play the part of the 'safety first' rider.

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Ah...Oz i forgot about that one!



Yep safety all the way with jorge