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championships aside, is jorge better than rossi?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jun 17 2009, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%ROSSI IS BETTER.




The end.
Have you come over to the dark side friend
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Rossi is better but Lorenzo will only get better. How many more tricks does the Doctor have up his sleeve ??
 
Jorge was so angry after the race but handled it well. This tells me he'll be studying telemetry and video all week to prepare for Assen.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jun 17 2009, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jorge was so angry after the race but handled it well. This tells me he'll be studying telemetry and video all week to prepare for Assen.

Yeh he handled it really well. "I'm used to normally winning the battles, but today I had a battle with the best and I couldn't beat him, he was more clever and brave." He was really respectful and gave vale credit unlike stoner after laguna who was pouting like a child. After that race lorenzo def. went up a notch in my book...
 
In one post race interview, rossi said he had been dreaming of that pass all week, and had it in his back pocket.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jun 17 2009, 10:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%ROSSI IS BETTER.

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Let me welcome you my good friend to the worshipper’s arena… What if Rossi was analyzing the whole race: got the tyres warmed up after lap 3, took the lead and accelerated just enough to measure rivals for almost 10 laps, let the top rival pass and analyzed him for almost 10 laps too, and then really started the show… Why do I have the need to spice it up? I am just dreaming and joking man!!!

Anyway, that overtake on the outside (getting the leg back inside) on the breaks 2 laps to go… bloody unbelievable!
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And that overtake on the last corner to the flag… bloody unbelievable!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Jun 18 2009, 10:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>a worshiper through and through
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Yeah, a worshiper through and through…
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Though on the first turn of the second to last lap it seemed like a waiter came up to Rossi and said: “Would you like to have your ‘break’ now, the straight is over”… Rossi: “It may be a good idea, I’ll get my knee out to get ready and have it”… Waiter: “Look, Lorenzo is having his”… Rossi: “Nah, I guess I’ll have mine later then, pull that knee back inwards!”… So he applied a ‘x Fuera’ to ‘X Fuera’!

Anyway, on the last turn to the flag:

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/BV.aspx...1245338902.html

“The archenemy”… Biagi worships Rossi.

“Bloody unbelievable! Bloody unbelievable!” I think I stand correct… And so do you: “a worshiper through and through”. Cool brother!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jun 17 2009, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%ROSSI IS BETTER.




The end.

yes.

i think as long as rossi can keep his coolness and see things as easy as he does, he always will be able to beat lorenzo. lorenzo seems a litte tensed when u see certain pressconferences and his look after he got 2nd!
 
I was at the race, and qualifying last weekend, and as for overall speed, there was nothing in it between Rossi and Lorenzo. Where Rossi has the upper hand is experience, tactics and most of all "skill" on the motorbike. Lorenzo will get better as time goes on, there is no doubt about that, but Rossi's shoes will be hard to fill for a long time yet.
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well, rossi rarely does any fastest laps or claim pole positions, i guess that both stoner and jorge are marginally faster than him right now, but what is obviousand more crucial is rossi's superiority at braking.. and in order to win a head to head fight like the last race, you have to better at braking, and rossi usually wins, because he is probably the best when it comes to braking/overtaking.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bill88 @ Jun 21 2009, 02:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well, rossi rarely does any fastest laps or claim pole positions, i guess that both stoner and jorge are marginally faster than him right now, but what is obviousand more crucial is rossi's superiority at braking.. and in order to win a head to head fight like the last race, you have to better at braking, and rossi usually wins, because he is probably the best when it comes to braking/overtaking.
IMHO it's hard to say who is faster in the sense you put it.
When Rossi is a fraction slower on average it might as well be becuase he sets the bike up that way. There is no such thing as a freee lunch, so instead of outright speed Rossi choose to use a slightly slower setup that give him better front end feel as oposed to rear grip.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jun 21 2009, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>IMHO it's hard to say who is faster in the sense you put it.
When Rossi is a fraction slower on average it might as well be becuase he sets the bike up that way. There is no such thing as a freee lunch, so instead of outright speed Rossi choose to use a slightly slower setup that give him better front end feel as oposed to rear grip.


i think your right.. after watching the race again MANY times lol id say lorenzo had a much better setup for cornering and gettin the power to the track, rossi didnt have as much grip at the rear as lorenzo which u could notice alot in the corner's.
lorenzo was able to keep the bike much tighter in the bend's and was gettin much better drive coming out of the corner's, rossi's bike was stepping out alot where as lorenzo looked like he was on rails.

in the last 3 laps where rossi come around turn 3 doing a double wheeled powerslide, just drifted...in total control...awesome!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jun 21 2009, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think your right.. after watching the race again MANY times lol id say lorenzo had a much better setup for cornering and gettin the power to the track, rossi didnt have as much grip at the rear as lorenzo which u could notice alot in the corner's.
lorenzo was able to keep the bike much tighter in the bend's and was gettin much better drive coming out of the corner's, rossi's bike was stepping out alot where as lorenzo looked like he was on rails.

in the last 3 laps where rossi come around turn 3 doing a double wheeled powerslide, just drifted...in total control...awesome!

Catalunya turn 3 is one of the most awesome corners to watch. As you said, two wheels slides quite common
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jun 21 2009, 07:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think your right.. after watching the race again MANY times lol id say lorenzo had a much better setup for cornering and gettin the power to the track, rossi didnt have as much grip at the rear as lorenzo which u could notice alot in the corner's.
lorenzo was able to keep the bike much tighter in the bend's and was gettin much better drive coming out of the corner's, rossi's bike was stepping out alot where as lorenzo looked like he was on rails.

This is funny, because Rossi himself stated that his feeling with the bike was the best this year...
And I didn't notice Lorenzo taking tighter lines, I think it's all in your head...
 
Lorenzo isn't better then ROSSI, but he's gonna be!
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When ROSSI retires Lorenzo will be the next world champion.

I don't think ROSSI will let Lorenzo beat him he'll just keep raising the bar.

I don't think anyone else out there can beat either of them, everyone else is racing for third place.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bonnielass @ Jun 22 2009, 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo isn't better then ROSSI, but he's gonna be!
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When ROSSI retires Lorenzo will be the next world champion.

I don't think ROSSI will let Lorenzo beat him he'll just keep raising the bar.

I don't think anyone else out there can beat either of them, everyone else is racing for third place.

You don't think Stoner can beat either of them...... ???
Big call.
Lorenzo will have flashes of brilliance, but I will be willing to bet you Lorenzo won't be there at the end, and it will come down to Rossi and Stoner again.
I think Stoner and the Ducati had the ability to match Rossi and Lorenzo in Spain, and it could have easily been a three way fight. I think Stoner will match the Yamaha's on most circuits, and Stoner has the ability to beat them.

PS... I still think Rossi will win the title in 09.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Jun 22 2009, 09:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You don't think Stoner can beat either of them...... ???
Big call.
Lorenzo will have flashes of brilliance, but I will be willing to bet you Lorenzo won't be there at the end, and it will come down to Rossi and Stoner again.
I think Stoner and the Ducati had the ability to match Rossi and Lorenzo in Spain, and it could have easily been a three way fight. I think Stoner will match the Yamaha's on most circuits, and Stoner has the ability to beat them.

PS... I still think Rossi will win the title in 09.

Agreed...we cant count out Stoner...unless he loses form for the rest of the season. We seem to be forgetting that Stoner did win the race b4 catalunya. However, being a Rossi fan, im more intimidated by Lorenzo because not only is he on the same team as Rossi, but he has experience as a world champion not once, but twice. Even if it is only in 250s he has shown that he can be fast on many different bikes, unlike stoner w/ just the ducati.
 

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