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championships aside, is jorge better than rossi?

No.

He's fast right now but has to prove that he can beat all comers and rise above adversity and all of that kind of guff.

Casey found out in 2008 that being faster than Rossi means very little, and Jorge may be running hot at the moment but really there's a bee's .... in the points and we haven't seen Rossi find his oeuvre in 2009, still a long way to go but the babies are catching up.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Traverser @ Jun 13 2009, 02:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Soo..heres to Vale for many more years of pissing off Pinky.

trav, you're the best
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jun 12 2009, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No longer do you see the heroics of yore' when ROssi would get out front and just run away. That has been Stoner's M.O. as of late. Jorge has also been trying this out as well. Rossi though has yet to get up front and pull a "Rossi" gap. I just think it is his human side coming out wehre it happens in every sport where the older you get the tougher it becomes to perform at such a high level.
Rossi running away, when exactly were that? I've seen him get away with a few seconds lead but regulary running away with big lead to the rest, never.
That is, first of all Pedrosas MO, then Stoner as he enjoy a big win more than a close fight. Jorge were doing this in the 250's but never since. His bloated ego of that time demaded that kind of dominating victories.
I'm not totally disagreeing with you. Rossi were dominating, as it allways is with the best rider on the best bike and no/little driver aids. But Rossi didn't need dominating victories to prove that, he perferred to play cat and mouse with his "victims", Sete and Max and crushed them in the end.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jun 13 2009, 12:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hard to call, Ive looked on Jorge as the future of the sport since early last season. The crashing was the typical young gun out to make his mark on a big bike, not unusual, but I was beginning to worry that he would injure himself badly enough to curb his career! Rossi is still out there and in the mix every weekend, and thats what makes a champ. (or GOAT)

Only time will tell if Jorge can have a career like Rossi's, but the unique fact that Rossi has won titles on 500, 990 and 800 as well as the 125 and 250 titles isn't going to happen again, which will always make the guy a bit special. I'm sure Rossi is well aware that his time wont last forever, but I also believe that he knows he'll be leaving Yamaha in a safe pair of hands.

Pete

+1

The kid is on it today!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jun 13 2009, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>+1

The kid is on it today!

In race conditions, when everything is really equal, both riders with the right setup riding as they like, imho Rossi still has an edge on Lorenzo (as on about anybody else), mainly due to his unique experience racing at the top. If Lorenzo manages to avoid the crashes and remain in one piece, he'll eventually match Rossi' experience and then youth may prevail. That does not mean Jorge will be the next King, because the same applies to Stoner and also Dovi...
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The difference between Rossi and Lorenzo is that Rossi is a living legend. Lorenzo is no way near that status.

In terms of speed, right now they seem to be very, very close. But is Lorenzo really better than Rossi now? I don't think so. If and only IF he is still ahead of Rossi at the end of the season, I'll agree that he has gone ahead of Rossi.

It's an interesting fight between the legend who is maybe slowly getting past his prime time (not so sure about that myself... Just look at last year) and a young very, very fast and talented rider who is constantly getting better.

Lorenzo just beat Rossi on quali, but it was close. Will be interesting to see how their race paces compare tomorrow.
 
i think that lorenzo is close to rossi but rossi would be faster...not in one hot lap, but over the race and in the fights! rossi has shown that hes later on the brake than any rider and in 1:1 battle he'd beat lorenzo anywhere i think...this year rossi had some bad luck with conditions (yes, the same for all, but he had the bad luck anyway with it).

i think lorenzo is quite close to rossi and he will be the next rossi in a way.

but rossi is still fastest RACEdriver (not quali) and i think he will be champion this year again!

GOGOGO MOFO GO!
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well i'd say that experience & sheer bloody determination won that for rossi. he is the master & in every one off these nail bitters he seems to pull that one unbelievable manuver out... jorge is gettin real close tho!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Jun 14 2009, 08:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well i'd say that experience & sheer bloody determination won that for rossi. he is the master & in every one off these nail bitters he seems to pull that one unbelievable manuver out... jorge is gettin real close tho!
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A ‘fight side by side spirit’ hopefully and much needed!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Jun 14 2009, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well i'd say that experience & sheer bloody determination won that for rossi. he is the master & in every one off these nail bitters he seems to pull that one unbelievable manuver out... jorge is gettin real close tho!
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Agreeed, we can talk about GOAT as much as we want, his speed and technique but this comes down to personality.A guy who has won everything there is to win, multiple times, and he still has the pure determination to TAKE that win from anyone who try to challenge him.
I think this also show those who hope that he is getting to old how wrong they are. It's a mind thing and his mind is in the right place for another championship.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 14 2009, 09:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think the question was answered today
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It did, at least for me. Greatest of all time.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jun 15 2009, 12:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agreeed, we can talk about GOAT as much as we want, his speed and technique but this comes down to personality.A guy who has won everything there is to win, multiple times, and he still has the pure determination to TAKE that win from anyone who try to challenge him.
I think this also show those who hope that he is getting to old how wrong they are. It's a mind thing and his mind is in the right place for another championship.
This goes on every year. Last year, when he didn't won for the first few rounds, everyone said Rossi was finished. When Stoner took 3 wins in a row, Rossi was inferior.

In 2007, when Stoner took the title, Rossi was no longer any good.

In the end, he always shows why he has 8 world championships(and probably 9 this year!).
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jun 14 2009, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agreeed, we can talk about GOAT as much as we want, his speed and technique but this comes down to personality.A guy who has won everything there is to win, multiple times, and he still has the pure determination to TAKE that win from anyone who try to challenge him.
I think this also show those who hope that he is getting to old how wrong they are. It's a mind thing and his mind is in the right place for another championship.
Look don't think he isn't losing a step cause the Rossi of old would havew never even had to battle Jorge. He would have been gooooooooneeee in years past.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 14 2009, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think the question was answered today
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More like the question was opened right up. They now sit on equal points with equal results and nothing to pick between them.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jun 15 2009, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>More like the question was opened right up. They now sit on equal points with equal results and nothing to pick between them.
well the question said "championships aside" !
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 15 2009, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well the question said "championships aside" !

I read that as an invitation to compare the two riders current form rather than just looking at who has won more in the past. Either way there has been very little to pick between the two this season
 

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