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assen, round 7..... the race!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jun 28 2009, 06:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo's itch didn't give him any edge at Assen. Has anyone seen any interviews
wherein he might have said something about why he was so far behind Rossi?
He wasn't so far behind, i don't know if you have seen the race once he passed stoner the gap was already around about 1.5sec to rossi.
Lorenzo and Rossi did very identical lap times for next 8 to 10 laps but it wasn't possible for leornzo to claw back that 1.5sec gap so he settled down for 2nd place.He is diffenatly thinking about championship now and happy to have 2nd place rather than try to catch rossi and crash which he would have done last year but he has shown lot of maturity this year so far.
 
I've just got to say I loved ROSSI's "100 race wins stunt"
I can remember most of those, I would be great if he brings out a video of them all!


TOTAL FAN GIRL HERE!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Jun 28 2009, 07:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He wasn't so far behind, i don't know if you have seen the race once he passed stoner the gap was already around about 1.5sec to rossi.
Lorenzo and Rossi did very identical lap times for next 8 to 10 laps but it wasn't possible for leornzo to claw back that 1.5sec gap so he settled down for 2nd place.He is diffenatly thinking about championship now and happy to have 2nd place rather than try to catch rossi and crash which he would have done last year but he has shown lot of maturity this year so far.

Yep I'd agree with that.

IMO I think he over cooked his tyres, trying to stay with Rossi, and is wise enough to know that a second place is better then a DNF especially with Stoner behind him, and the points being so close.

A championship can be won with just one point don't forget.
 
At Laguna it is Rossi or Stoner. I doubt very much anyone will improve their race pace to match the two of them. Are you telling me that Lorenzo, who didn't complete a full lap last year {his first year at Laguna), will now be the main challenger? Vermuelen finished almost 27 seconds behind Rossi and he finished third. Nope. it will be a runaway if Stoner isn't healthy and a week is not long enough to recuperate to perform at that level. 101 is in the bag.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jun 28 2009, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>At Laguna it is Rossi or Stoner. I doubt very much anyone will improve their race pace to match the two of them. Are you telling me that Lorenzo, who didn't complete a full lap last year {his first year at Laguna), will now be the main challenger? Vermuelen finished almost 27 seconds behind Rossi and he finished third. Nope. it will be a runaway if Stoner isn't healthy and a week is not long enough to recuperate to perform at that level. 101 is in the bag.


Lorenzo has come a long way since last year, don't you think?

Vermuelen likes this track, I don't know what the sats were on last year (I don't google) so I'll take your word for it.
 
Don't know the situation with Casey Stoner.... but he did look like a sourpuss during the podium celebration. Maybe he was sick or mabye he was pissed off at his team for not giving him a competitive bike and so rather than appear to be a whiney little kid during the interview....he opted instead to skip it.

Great race by Rossi...... Lorenzo needs to up his game if he wants to beat Rossi for the championship this year. Lorenzo's got the speed, but I think he lacks in the braking department, he needs to be more aggressive on the brakes.

BTW, Aoyoma is the real deal... don't hate on the Japanese rider.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Jun 28 2009, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Have you forgotten about Lorenzo? Not to worry for Ducati Hayden will ride well and do his country proud. The winds of change
yeah, i got a feeling we will have another race like in 08 but with rossi and lorenzo this time. after Lorenzo's massive crash last year caused by my high five of near death some say, im hopping he does the business this year
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bet horhay wont greet about some bar bashing
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bonnielass @ Jun 28 2009, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Vermuelen likes this track
As I recall Chris won for Ten Kate on his first visit here on a superbike, and showed very good subsequent form. He also ran a blinding race on the zook in '06 having stuck it on pole, but ran into a fueling problem in the latter stages of the race triggered by the excessive heat. Thinking about it, he finished third last year.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jun 28 2009, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As I recall Chris won for Ten Kate on his first visit here on a superbike, and showed very good subsequent form. He also ran a blinding race on the zook in '06 having stuck it on pole, but ran into a fueling problem in the latter stages of the race triggered by the excessive heat. Thinking about it, he finished third last year.
and 2nd to stoner in 2007.. seems like he likes laguna. they did a mileage comparison in 2007 quali between him and hopkins and he travelled a few hundred yards shorter distance than hopper on their fastest laps. seems he knows the shortest line around the place and that might be why he always seems to go well here. if only he could go well at all the other tracks too!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jun 28 2009, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As I recall Chris won for Ten Kate on his first visit here on a superbike, and showed very good subsequent form. He also ran a blinding race on the zook in '06 having stuck it on pole, but ran into a fueling problem in the latter stages of the race triggered by the excessive heat. Thinking about it, he finished third last year.
He sure did

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A very solid racing by Rossi and Lorenzo, They were in a league of their own again, with Casey in a distant third.

Untill some 8 laps before the end the fight between Lorenzo and Vale was very close.with lorenzo making a few tenths in the first 3 sectors and losing it in the last one. But after that Rossi made some half a second per lap on him and went on to win it by +5 seconds.

But the fight between Toseland,Edwards,Kalio,Hayden,Capirossi,Vermeulen,Elias, for the 4/10 places were the most exiting one, and i followed that with a lot of interest.

I was very happy to witness Rossi's win number 100 at Assen, and it was a very nice scene to see a roll of 99 pictures of him.

Next race is Laguna seca and i just hope to see another battle between the top 3 drivers.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bonnielass @ Jun 28 2009, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Undoubtedly, but he's not the sort of rider to whine about it after!

For sure. He knows how to represent himself at an interview.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Jun 28 2009, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He wasn't so far behind, i don't know if you have seen the race once he passed stoner the gap was already around about 1.5sec to rossi.
Lorenzo and Rossi did very identical lap times for next 8 to 10 laps but it wasn't possible for leornzo to claw back that 1.5sec gap so he settled down for 2nd place.He is diffenatly thinking about championship now and happy to have 2nd place rather than try to catch rossi and crash which he would have done last year but he has shown lot of maturity this year so far.

1.5 seconds is a big gap where races are won by one ten thousandths of a second.
It was also . . . a huge gap relative to what Rossi and Lorenzo had going on
at Catalunya.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jun 28 2009, 11:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1.5 seconds is a big gap where races are won by one ten thousandths of a second.
It was also . . . a huge gap relative to what Rossi and Lorenzo had going on
at Catalunya.
yeah lorenzo admitted he couldn't get sector 3 right all weekend, he was the fastest through sector 1 and gained a 10th there but lost a couple od 10th in sector 3. laguna is a different track to assen so we will see how he like it there on the bridgstones. im sure he learned a lot at assen for next year
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Jun 28 2009, 06:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sure I did but whats to say we cant get that at most other tracks (apart from the corkscrew). There is no guarntee that Rossi will ride to victory alone. I reckon Lorenzo will be the hero at Laguna


Got to agree.

Personally I get the impression that CS will struggle as the Yamaha's of Rossi/Lorenzo are well in front of the field at the moment and seem far easier to ride (physically and mentally) that CS is able to achieve on the Ducati.

To rule Lorenzo out would IMO be a mistake as he has improved greatly, is now on equal tyres to Rossi (hadt he michelins last year) and is a more accomplished rider than he was in 2008.

Like you Roger, I expect the battle to be a Yamaha cup but for some reason have a small feeling that this could turn nasty at Laguna







Garry
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bonnielass @ Jun 28 2009, 04:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo has come a long way since last year, don't you think?

Vermuelen likes this track, I don't know what the sats were on last year (I don't google) so I'll take your word for it.

I only get stats from the MotoGP site. Yes Lorenzo has gotten better or maybe even just fufilled his potential but Rossi took 2 races to better Laguna and Lorenzo hasn't even raced there so it is unlikely he will challenge Rossi yet. I'd give Stoner a pint of my good blood if he needed it so he could be strong enough for the race. I think it will be another Assen unfortunately.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jun 28 2009, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As I recall Chris won for Ten Kate on his first visit here on a superbike, and showed very good subsequent form. He also ran a blinding race on the zook in '06 having stuck it on pole, but ran into a fueling problem in the latter stages of the race triggered by the excessive heat. Thinking about it, he finished third last year.

And Dovizioso 4th (2008) on JiR Team Scot MotoGP 'Satellite' Honda in his ‘First Go’ in MotoGP at Laguna… Rossi´s 'First Go' was third (2005) on a 'Factory' Yamaha.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jun 28 2009, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Personally I get the impression that CS will struggle as the Yamaha's of Rossi/Lorenzo are well in front of the field at the moment and seem far easier to ride (physically and mentally) that CS is able to achieve on the Ducati.

Garry

As I said before Garry, I cannot read any illness from Stoner until the race ended in Assen. You can go back a read my post:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Jun 28 2009, 09:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Cannot read any illness up until Qualification, a bit of complaining for other riders on track, but same for every other rider.

http://www.moto-live.com/motogp/en/headlin...626194713.shtml

"Thankfully I'm starting from fourth on the grid, which I am fine with because I can still challenge at the front from there and with the times we set today there is no reason not to be confident".
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Jun 29 2009, 02:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As I said before Garry, I cannot read any illness from Stoner until the race ended in Assen. You can go back a read my post:


Ok, I may have missed it but I am a little lost as I am not responding to any posts or accusations so not sure how you draw that bow. My comments are aimed purely at Laguna Seca and whether CS can compete.

To me it appears obvious with teh naked eye that the Yamaha is a far easier bike to ride physically as it is smoth, handles well (holds tight lines etc) whereas the Ducatie appears to require a ride to almost seem to fight it. This of course (if correct) means that the Ducati rider is using more physical effort to be able to compete, and of course the flow on is the mental strain/drain that results.

I am fully aware that CS makes no mention of the illness prior to the race but again, I was not discussing that aspect so you have either misread or misunderstood the post





Garry
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jun 27 2009, 07:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Kalio was impressive. And it was good to actually seen Hayden make a pass on the Ducati - instead of just trying to hold a position. I expect Kalio's ability to ride up in 6th will spur him
on to ride more competitively. If not for his little off-track excursion he could have
been one place up higher. He's coming around.


I think Kalio mangled the ring finger on his clutch hand. could be a big setback.

I am glad they had the camera on those guys that was a good little train they had goin.
 

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