Aragon GP 2011: RACE

povol said:

The Pedrosa experiment is running out of time in their eyes.

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I don't know what you mean by "experiment", insofar as as long as Pedrosa is faster than anyone else eligible for his seat, he'll be fine. He can come in second or third for another decade as long as it's better than anyone else that can be hired instead.



evo, I'm not ignoring you, just didn't see anything worth responding to.

Beef Supreme said:

Even if he ends up in MotoGP next year, as a rookie Marquez will have to start in a satellite team, and typically the way the #2 HRC rider gets replaced is when a satellite rider is faster. Maybe Marquez will be faster than Pedrosa, but so far there isn't much evidence that being brilliant in Moto2 leads to brilliance in MotoGP. Nakamoto has been pretty supportive of Pedrosa throughout the season, even with all the injuries.



I think hatred of Puig is causing a little wishful thinking Pedrosa will be frog-marched out of the HRC paddock.

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I didn't say that Marquez will replace him next year. He has to do the normal progression through a satellite team.



If you're suggesting that I'm a hater of Pedrosa, you need to think again. I've been a fan of Pedrosa for years and to be honest, I would prefer Marquez and Pedrosa to be in the Repsol Honda team. Marquez can have Dovi's ride as he can't seem to win on it. Stoner is obviously not going anywhere.



It will come down to budgetary constraints. If they can only have a 2 rider team and if Marquez shows a lot of speed in his rookie year, Pedrosa will be under a lot of pressure unless he somehow manages to win the championship in the meantime, which is not impossible.

woody996 said:

It will come down to budgetary constraints. If they can only have a 2 rider team and if Marquez shows a lot of speed in his rookie year, Pedrosa will be under a lot of pressure unless he somehow manages to win the championship in the meantime, which is not impossible.

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Don't disagree with any of that if by " a lot of speed" you mean faster than Pedrosa.



The wishful-thinking remark was directed at Jumkie -- he's made it clear he's a Pedrosa un-fan (no problem with that, just don't agree with his prediction Pedrosa will be tossed anytime soon).

Beef Supreme said:

Don't disagree with any of that if by " a lot of speed" you mean faster than Pedrosa.



The wishful-thinking remark was directed at Jumkie -- he's made it clear he's a Pedrosa un-fan (no problem with that, just don't agree with his prediction Pedrosa will be tossed anytime soon).

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No, the sattelite bikes are not expected be faster, or as fast as the factory teams. If he came in and consistently ran in the top 6-8 in his first year, chances are Repsol would pressure Honda to make the move. Another thing working against Pedrosa would be his salary demands. Marquez would more than likely be tickled to death to ride for a couple a millon a year, wheras Pedrosa is going to demand about 3 times that amount

Stoner proved me wrong, a walk in the park indeed.



Jorge is a fighter and Dani.....Dani still has to show us all he's really got it.



Bauti 6th is pretty damn good, I would love to see him on the Yamaha, he would be doing way better than spies for sure.

povol said:

Yes i forgot, motorsports racing doesnt have a human element

Its really pretty simple, if you dont like it, make a stand and quit watching. That would save the true fans of GP the weekly whining and bitching, and free up you and other whiners to actually go and make a difference

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I stopped watching AMA SBK about halfway through the 2007 season b/c I didn't really care for Mladin vs. Spies and Honda had bought FX. I knew money was being wasted, and I was tired of seeing the manufacturers beat up on garagistos who couldn't get parts. AMA SBK collapsed under the weight of its own financial indiscretion. The sport was sold to DMG. You haven't quit whining since.



You're not whining about GP now, but maybe you should be. Extravagance and uncompetitive racing are preliminary signs that a regime change is in the works. The new people will be reactionaries who want to vanquish the hegemony of the MSMA. You may not like the new people or their ideas about racing.

An addendum to my last post…Stoner is the man to get things done if you want them to be done in MotoGP, he’s proved this with the Ducati 9which I see the same excuse being given then, Capirossi development etc etc and that is why he won the W/c in 2007) now we get the Pedrosa development also…how fucken boring and stupid…just except the fact that Stoner is a legend in getting the work done and winning W/C’s for whatever or whoever he rides for or has the setup that he’s comfortable with…nothing more and nothing less and he’s proved this (but with Ducati he’s gone 1,2-3 steps further and did the job and won gp’s even though the equipment wasn’t there, have a look at Rossi and Hayden in 2011, wtf have they done with the Ducati???)>>>NOTHING



How can anyone take away Stoners brilliance and riding skills and degrade 2011 as being boring and just another one of these seasons when Stoner was behind Lorenzo for most of it and now that he’s ahead this has been an extraordinary effort and brilliant execution of his skills and steep to be able to consistently portray and exhibit this ‘week in and week out’ and this is especially when his team mate Pedrosa couldn’t do this for the last 5 years with all the backing and support from Honda and Repsol…



I say no more…Stoner you’re brilliant and an extraordinary rider and youre on your way to be a legend of this sport!!!

NUMERO UNO!!!

Bring ON the Yamaha (with Lorenzo there, dosent matter) and Suzuki and Kawasaki it dosent MATTER for Stoner!!!



Stoner will do it all for them…W/C’s year in and yoear out!!!



THE MAN IS A 'NUMERO UNO'!!!

Through the numerous emails I have received whilst on my back in hospital there is one from a good mate who has been tied up with motorcycle racing for years. He suggested to me that Stoner isn't on a big wage with Honda but the system Ducati put in place in 2007 applies.



Small salary but big win bonuses



An even bigger bonus if he gets the title for Honda in the 800cc class before the class finishes.



Employed to do a job and he is doing it well, I do not blame him for bolting from the front and causing (as much through his skill as the other riders lack of set up and ability to stay with him) "boring" racing. I personally do not find it boring, citing other posts - the level of skill and the sheer determination to pull lap after lap of near record pace, 60 degree lean angles.



Whilst the mousetrap theory by Jumkie is in part applicable there was a large contingent that applied that theory to the Ducati (where there was 2 on the podium last year here) and that looks rather silly this year given the "doctors" pending "medical negligence" issue. The mousetrap in the case is nowhere near as important as the mouse.



I think that Pedro will be having issues as he and Puig had years to get this title and didn't (I mean seriously, this is the first year since Rossi left that Honda have won three consecutive races, or more than 4 a season) and Livio is looking like the man that brought the goose that laid the golden egg to the Honda camp.



Marquez can take over as the Spanish rider on the team and he doesn't come with baggage, and Puig IS baggage.



I loved the race but as previously stated HATED the crappy paint job

Scotty said:

Bring ON the Yamaha (with Lorenzo there, dosent matter) and Suzuki and Kawasaki it dosent MATTER for Stoner!!!



Stoner will do it all for them…W/C’s year in and yoear out!!!



THE MAN IS A 'NUMERO UNO'!!!

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Dude, you're so bad........you're good! Seriously, it's an odd thing taking place here. Your .... is so stupid that I actually enjoy it!



Keep on keepin on...

The same arguement was boring 07. Fix - get rid of Michelin. 08 good, everyone happy. 11 boring. Now what, get rid of Ducati? And Suzuki while we're at it, Kwaka already gone. Is that the solution, have everyone ride Honda? No point in having motogp then, just have moto2 and SBK. Is that the solution to make everyone except povol and myself happy. To me the more they try to make the racing closer as an over-reaction to a certain ...... the worse they end up in the long run.

Jumkie said:

but part of that comes from something a principal of the Moto2 paddock told me once (which i dont feel comfortable airing here nor can i find independent verification that would satisfy me).

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I cannot help but be skeptical about using this information to draw conclusions. Firstly as you say you have no verification, and secondly you are taking the opinion of someone who is not only involved in the competition, but who is losing. Perhaps more so than us sat on our armchairs people in this position will be desperate to explain the difference between their efforts and winning one, desperate to allocate the performance difference to something outside of their own team's performance. That is fundamental in such a competitive environment. All I am saying is, it is extremely unlikely a principal in the moto2 paddock can be considered a reliable or nuetral source

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Scotty said:

An addendum to my last post…Stoner is the man to get things done if you want them to be done in MotoGP, he’s proved this with the Ducati 9which I see the same excuse being given then, Capirossi development etc etc and that is why he won the W/c in 2007) now we get the Pedrosa development also…how fucken boring and stupid…just except the fact that Stoner is a legend in getting the work done and winning W/C’s for whatever or whoever he rides for or has the setup that he’s comfortable with…nothing more and nothing less and he’s proved this (but with Ducati he’s gone 1,2-3 steps further and did the job and won gp’s even though the equipment wasn’t there, have a look at Rossi and Hayden in 2011, wtf have they done with the Ducati???)>>>NOTHING



How can anyone take away Stoners brilliance and riding skills and degrade 2011 as being boring and just another one of these seasons when Stoner was behind Lorenzo for most of it and now that he’s ahead this has been an extraordinary effort and brilliant execution of his skills and steep to be able to consistently portray and exhibit this ‘week in and week out’ and this is especially when his team mate Pedrosa couldn’t do this for the last 5 years with all the backing and support from Honda and Repsol…



I say no more…Stoner you’re brilliant and an extraordinary rider and youre on your way to be a legend of this sport!!!

NUMERO UNO!!!

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Nothing?!?! All you Boner types are the same, refusing to see the truth. Rossi made history today!!! He didn't even start on the race track and be passed a whole SHITLOAD of guys!! What did your guy do? Passed one or two and just did time trials after that, put me to ....... sleep!! And started from the front....hell even PedroLAMEbot can do that.



Boner in SNOOZEE CONTROL



Rossi making history.



Think about it

MY LAST POST WAS SO ....... GENIOUS THE INTERNETS NEED TO SEE IT AGAIN!!! SO SHOULD YOU READ IT AGAIN>

bluegreen said:

Basicly GP racing





Nothing?!?! All you Boner types are the same, refusing to see the truth. Rossi made history today!!! He didn't even start on the race track and be passed a whole SHITLOAD of guys!! What did your guy do? Passed one or two and just did time trials after that, put me to ....... sleep!! And started from the front....hell even PedroLAMEbot can do that.



Boner in SNOOZEE CONTROL



Rossi making history.



Think about it

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Gold......

Ok, first to the race thought.



Stoner - well managed and did what he had to, seriously good ride.

Pedrosa - see above except he probably wanted to win but top Spaniard will do

Lorenzo - fantastic result on a bike that was clearly not in the same postcode as the top two Honda's.

Simoncelli - that is getting better, good result but needs to watch the mistakes as he may well have been closer to the top 2 but for one stuff up

Spies - great start but then a little disappointing to be honest. Will be interested to see/read if he had any issues but being fair, the 4 above him ad good races so he should not consider it a fail mark

Bautista - sensational. Great to see him riding the wheels of the Suzuki and good to see it up there.

Hayden - good result and would be interesting to be in the pits and get a genuine honest opinion yo compare the two results (2010 vs 2011)



The rest of the finishers, well there is always next race but one cannot let the VR situation pass without comment and mine is that I felt given his late start and new bike, a good (not stellar, awe inspiring or brilliant) result.



The rest.



Abraham - get well mate, that looked hard

Dovisioso - silly and poor timing.

Capirossi - dumb and dare I say just a fark up

Elias - the victim, but great sport by being more concerned with Capirex's well being than the fact that he was out, mind you with his results an excuse is welcome.







That colourscheme

For me, it took a while as I kinda liked the scheme but have to admit that the stupid pathetic black writing and el-cheapo look numbers made it not work.

Once I tried to look beyone the numbers I found it not to bad but my bloody eyes kept coming back to the numbers which bought back many memories of black electrical tape numbering of club days.





Boring?

Will this argument never be decided?

I cannot say that I find MotoGP boring now, or ever as I am a person who enjoys the battle of man, machine and track and when it is done in the manner of these guys it just makes me want to sit and watch for hours. I love the artistry of the riders battling the bike, the movements, the slides and all that goes with it.

I find a solo leader as entrancing, and sometimes more so than I will a battle between riders.



I cannot find MGP boring, sorry to those that can, and so I ask is the racing boring because of a lack of overtakes and close riding, or is it only boring because we don't have battles for the lead? (genuine question by the way ......... no fishing)













Gaz

bluegreen said:

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Nothing?!?! All you Boner types are the same, refusing to see the truth. Rossi made history today!!! He didn't even start on the race track and be passed a whole SHITLOAD of guys!! What did your guy do? Passed one or two and just did time trials after that, put me to ....... sleep!! And started from the front....hell even PedroLAMEbot can do that.



Boner in SNOOZEE CONTROL



Rossi making history.



Think about it

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wow rossi making history ??? Yeah i agree. no other rider has been handed a much improved bike which won at that particular circuit the year prior by 5 seconds in a very dominating fashion and not being able to ride it to even a top five posi..

Pit start or front row start would not matter he doesnt have what it takes....

Well Casey after your thoroughly embarrassing third last week (joke), that was out of this world. Absolutely on fire. The rest of the race, it had to be said was not the most exciting I've ever watched, but to honest, I watch Moto2 for exciting racing these days, not Motogp.Was dissapointed that Jorge didn't get more in the mix with the Repsols, but, he did get a shift on towards the end.



I've said it before, Rossi's vanity has bitten him on the arse big time with the Ducati move, it's a one trick pony, and Vale is not gonna go for win or bin at this stage in his career. The Suzuki is looking a much better option these days, why not go and follow your hero Schwantz now Vale?