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Prosecco Bagnaia said that he now feels that Motogp is too extreme because every rider can win, noting that a bigger gap between factory and satellite bikes would be a good thing. Using the example of a rookie finishing 4th at LeMans, even though he finished 4th as a rookie at Phillip Island. He becomes more and more unlikable by the day. This sounds like something straight from the VR46 academy of ......... That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Maybe Mavrick should have hit him harder in the gravel trap.
There have been many careers cut short by injury, bad timing, bad choices of rides, managerial fuckups and other circumstances. But for this, that or the other, insert x name or y name could have been a contender or the best ever. There is always plenty of talent on hand and the cream rises. All obvious.
Debates about the best ever will rage on forever unresolved, as the nature of the comparisons are unresolvable, except in the minds of the fans of each candidate. The correct assessment of truth in that regard will remain equally forever unattainable, due to constant change in all aspects of racing.
In the words of Ayrton Senna, “the results speak for themselves.“ Some will argue that Agostini had the best bike, which is why he won so much and remains the best ever by that measure, which is the only measurable measure we really have. Well guess what? It is normal for the best rider to wind up on the best bike. For the majority of their careers, Rossi, Marquez, Doohan and Lawson were on the best bike. Sometimes somebody had to make it their business to turn whatever they were riding into the best bike. This of course is why MM remains determined to continue.
So today we have the interesting anomaly of again arguably the two best riders being on suddenly uncompetitive machinery, which was formerly the best machinery. And being contractually obligated to stay on this uncompetitive machinery.
It is arguably a good reason for an old fan with waning enthusiasm like me to keep watching. It would be foolish to bet against a fit Marc Marquez on a KTM and as an unabashed Fabio fan, I hope he can switch to a contending team as well. It seems now unlikely that either Honda or Yamaha has the will or ability to make the necessary improvements for their riders.
Debates about the best ever will rage on forever unresolved, as the nature of the comparisons are unresolvable, except in the minds of the fans of each candidate. The correct assessment of truth in that regard will remain equally forever unattainable, due to constant change in all aspects of racing.
In the words of Ayrton Senna, “the results speak for themselves.“ Some will argue that Agostini had the best bike, which is why he won so much and remains the best ever by that measure, which is the only measurable measure we really have. Well guess what? It is normal for the best rider to wind up on the best bike. For the majority of their careers, Rossi, Marquez, Doohan and Lawson were on the best bike. Sometimes somebody had to make it their business to turn whatever they were riding into the best bike. This of course is why MM remains determined to continue.
So today we have the interesting anomaly of again arguably the two best riders being on suddenly uncompetitive machinery, which was formerly the best machinery. And being contractually obligated to stay on this uncompetitive machinery.
It is arguably a good reason for an old fan with waning enthusiasm like me to keep watching. It would be foolish to bet against a fit Marc Marquez on a KTM and as an unabashed Fabio fan, I hope he can switch to a contending team as well. It seems now unlikely that either Honda or Yamaha has the will or ability to make the necessary improvements for their riders.
It is funny to read some of these rider comments and read into what it says about the commenters. Another aspect of the changing scene. Never before have we had so much access to the riders, how they act and what they say. I particularly like to hear the pre podium discussions that are now televised live. Very entertaining and ”informative!”
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I also love the pre podium discussion. I was so bummed that they weren't speaking english after LeMans as the conversation was about some very dramatic events. I noticed a change in body language and vocal tone when talking about Marc. I would love to know what they said.
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I agree however I do believe in the evolution or progression of athletes can make the current best better than the past. For example runners are faster now than they ever have been and the average finish times are higher than in the past and keep progressing. Another example is extreme sports like bmx. 20 years ago doing one flip would win event now that wouldn't get a person in the finals. I do understand that motorsport is harder to determine because of the machine factor. But Marc is doing things no one was doing before and new riders still can't do. His talent is freakish and unimaginable. So I rate him as the best ever because riders aren't progressing into Marc like riders because they can't. They aren't able to make saves like he does. Which is why he is a once in a lifetime talent imo. But I do agree that it can only be my opinion and never be a fact. And I enjoy hearing about riders before my time and what more knowledgeable old school fans have to say about them. Its a debate I enjoy because I like hearing about the talents of past riders.
Teams and individual sport athletes are only as great as the era in which they played. To compare one era to another is pointless, IMO. I do agree with your assessment of Marc. His combination of outright talent, determination, and sheer will to win sets him apart. We may never see the likes of him again....................................................until we do.
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One thing is sure, both Rossi and Pecco don't like when other riders race hard around them, but at the same time they also feel entitled to race hard against their rivals.
We may not see the extreme saves again, perhaps partly because the technology including the tires have moved away from this being possible even for him. The aero and ride height stuff give greater grip but also from what I have observed make the bikes prone to letting go with not much margin for exploring the limits of /riding at the edge of adhesion. He is also one of the last guys to have ridden a real race bike in the junior classes.
He was dominant including winning from the rear of the grid in moto 2, a spec series, and probably won his last titles on a bike that wasn’t the best on the grid, one of them with a substandard shoulder.
One of the reasons it would be good to see him on a European bike would be to gauge the rest of the field, I don’t believe 4 or 5 MM equivalent riders just happen to have landed on Ducatis at the same time.
As has been said it has usually been part of the order of things in go bike racing for the top riders to end up on the best bikes, but riders such as Larson, Doohan and Rossi also along with their crews likely contributed to their bikes being good. Hard to know how MM rates in that aspect.
Lawson I meant of course.
But he didn't feel that way when HE was on a satellite bike. Herve Poncheral has called him out.
Poncharal replies to Pecco: "That's bullsh*t"
The President of the Teams’ Association (IRTA) calls out the reigning World Champion’s words on factory vs Independent Team bikes
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Herve is the man! Most likable person in gp.But he didn't feel that way when HE was on a satellite bike. Herve Poncheral has called him out.
Poncharal replies to Pecco: "That's bullsh*t"
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Peccos a ....... whiner. All said, he should have been disqualified last year after the drink drive incident. Now he's complaining his (lesser) competitors are too fast. Pretty sure he got decent results with pramac......... Was hard to like him after all this time, yet he gets worse.
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Exactly right. Being around Rossi has corrupted his ability to be rational. Every other rider that had gotten a drunk driving was let go by his team. He continues to be given special treatment because it is obvious dorna is trying to make him the new golden boy. But he doesn't have it. I will never be a fan of his.
But he didn't feel that way when HE was on a satellite bike. Herve Poncheral has called him out.
Poncharal replies to Pecco: "That's bullsh*t"
The President of the Teams’ Association (IRTA) calls out the reigning World Champion’s words on factory vs Independent Team bikes
The social media cataclysm currently unfolding as a result of Pecco's remarks is foreign to me, and Poncharal's reaction smacks of sanctimonious kabuki.
Several years ago, second hand satellite bikes were the norm, and they were even regarded as beneficial for the sport because it protected the factory teams. For instance, would Yamaha look as awful as they do now, if there were only 2 factory spec Ducati's, rather than eight?
Pecco's desire to detune the factory bikes is not the correct direction for the sport, but the backlash seems ridiculous for a variety of reasons. 1) Poncharal raced "inferior" satellite bikes for years, and never really had a problem with it 2) the current satellite bike paradigm is born from Dorna's desire to make a political alliance with IRTA, and the FIM's desire to move towards homologated parts, which means satellite bikes are not getting detuned anytime soon, unless a safety calamity unfolds
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Yep, but for some reason Raul was getting his .... sucked by the entire paddock, when Remy, as the actual 2021 Moto2 champion, got cast to SBK, and not even a factory ride!
Yeah, what a stupid comment. I'm glad Herve called him out on it.
Only a fool would bet against Marc on ANY European bike atm.
I noticed that, I thought they were required to speak English for that?
Good, stinks of entitlement. Much like his mentor.But he didn't feel that way when HE was on a satellite bike. Herve Poncheral has called him out.
Poncharal replies to Pecco: "That's bullsh*t"
The President of the Teams’ Association (IRTA) calls out the reigning World Champion’s words on factory vs Independent Team bikes
"I don't want Stoner as a team mate"
"I dont want Lorenzo as a team mate"
"Waaaah I want Bridgestones!"
"Yamaha must choose between Lorenzo and me!"
"I can't ride this Ducati, I want the Yamaha back!"
"Waaah 2015 was stolen from me!"
Especially this yr, He should be miles into the distance by now. I'll join you on the 'not a Pecco fan' train.
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Your comment clarifies what what it is about Pecco, that I found so disagreeable right from the start: essentially, it's that he always comes off as precious, sulky and self-entitled. Rossi was no different, except that he always made an effort to hide that behind his fake-... bon vivant persona.
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