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2017 Gran Premio Motul de la Comunitat Valenciana

Lorenzo upped his pace and pulled away from Dovi before the crash, Dovi saw Marquez's moment and tried to push more. Maybe just maybe by pushing more to try and run a faster pace which he said was over the limit caused him to crash.

Strange that JLo was able to up the pace when he chose to do so....and not earlier in the race when it was needed....

JLo did pretty much say before the race he wouldn't help...
MotoGP Valencia: Lorenzo: I want to play right | News | Crash

Like I said favour returned...

JLo the primadonna is back...
 
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Big respect to Dovi. Great sportsman my fav rider out there no doubt about it rode a gutsy race. He didn’t have the pace, but he put it all on the line. Lorenzo owns Valencia, Dovi rode him down from 9th on the grid saving that Duc from a disastrous front end wipeout every single lap. Eventually it caught up with him.

Marquez deserved champion. If he wants to be up there get off the Honda Pedro just won the race on and save the Ducati on your knee. Or a Suzuki, or a KTM. I think he might be talented enough to be the first to win on three makes of bike, but my guess is we will never know because he simply won’t risk a second rate rate ride.

Miller, I hope Ducati doesn’t destroy his career just when he comes good on the Honda. This test will say a lot. I think he might get a nasty surprise.

Again Marquez, he’s batshit crazy going for the win, why the .... do that, gotta like the guy. But Dovi, you gave me a lifetime memory. A champion of a man. Great championship.
 
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Big respect to Dovi. Great sportsman my fav rider out there no doubt about it rode a gutsy race. He didn’t have the pace, but he put it all on the line. Lorenzo owns Valencia, Dovi rode him down from 9th on the grid saving that Duc from a disastrous front end wipeout every single lap. Eventually it caught up with him.

Marquez deserved champion. If he wants to be up there get off the Honda Pedro just won the race on and save the Ducati on your knee. Or a Suzuki, or a KTM. I think he might be talented enough to be the first to win on three makes of bike, but my guess is we will never know because he simply won’t risk a second rate rate ride.

Miller, I hope Ducati doesn’t destroy his career just when he comes good on the Honda. This test will say a lot. I think he might get a nasty surprise.

Again Marquez, he’s batshit crazy going for the win, why the .... do that, gotta like the guy. But Dovi, you gave me a lifetime memory. A champion of a man. Great championship.


Both Dovi and Marc handled themselves like true professionals though out this fight. It is so refreshing to see two racers battle on the track and break bread off. Both are class acts. Dovi has earned the title of peoples champ after this season.
 
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Big respect to Dovi. Great sportsman my fav rider out there no doubt about it rode a gutsy race. He didn’t have the pace, but he put it all on the line. Lorenzo owns Valencia, Dovi rode him down from 9th on the grid saving that Duc from a disastrous front end wipeout every single lap. Eventually it caught up with him.

Marquez deserved champion. If he wants to be up there get off the Honda Pedro just won the race on and save the Ducati on your knee. Or a Suzuki, or a KTM. I think he might be talented enough to be the first to win on three makes of bike, but my guess is we will never know because he simply won’t risk a second rate rate ride.

Miller, I hope Ducati doesn’t destroy his career just when he comes good on the Honda. This test will say a lot. I think he might get a nasty surprise.

Again Marquez, he’s batshit crazy going for the win, why the .... do that, gotta like the guy. But Dovi, you gave me a lifetime memory. A champion of a man. Great championship.

Goes back to what I said in the other topic that MM is not wired like anyone.

I truly believe he is a combination of Hailwood, Rainey, Schwantz, and Lawson. That save, when they showed the replay, my mouth just dropped open. Even Gigi's reaction when he saw it just said everything. I don't even honestly know what to say about that save other than that there is no rider in history who could have made a save like that with the stakes being what they were (let alone going for the win when it was unnecessary) and coming back from it.

Whoever it was who said that Marquez is from another dimension hit it spot on.

Every time I think I have seen everything with him, he shows something else.

Unreal.
 
Goes back to what I said in the other topic that MM is not wired like anyone.

I truly believe he is a combination of Hailwood, Rainey, Schwantz, and Lawson. That save, when they showed the replay, my mouth just dropped open. Even Gigi's reaction when he saw it just said everything. I don't even honestly know what to say about that save other than that there is no rider in history who could have made a save like that with the stakes being what they were (let alone going for the win when it was unnecessary) and coming back from it.

Whoever it was who said that Marquez is from another dimension hit it spot on.

Every time I think I have seen everything with him, he shows something else.

Unreal.

I agree with your comments....and think he is better than Stoner ever was....even without MM having gone to another manufacturer (yet)
 
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Congrats to Marc for winning on the best package, resourced, organized, and disciplined team in MotoGP. It was from the start, his championship to lose.

Everybody saying Marc's mistakes proves he's this or that need to realize it's first a mistake that needed to be corrected, your glorifying a mistake and using convoluted stretched rationalization to conclude this proves he's supernatural. That's some fascinating logic. Ever think it's the easiest bike to save, you know, using said logic? Because .... it, anything can be reasoned. No way he makes that save on the Ducati, we can also rationalize, why not?

The 'mistake', let's actually call it for what it was, highlights what a prick Lorenzo is, but more on that later. P4, JP, Pov, Iampony, (Arrabi in the past) and anybody else who said Honda do not institute Honda Team orders, today was a great example of how you're wrong on this point, and how you guys were wrong for the MalaysianGP. Pedrosa followed team orders today which means it's likely other times the championship was on the balance, you guys are fools if you're expecting Honda to issue a press release admitting it.

Lorenzo, I hope he just .... away his career. But before I get into that, again him ignoring Ducati team orders vindicated everything I contended in the MalaysianGP thread, specifically that Ducati team orders didn’t mean ...., Dovi won the race on his own accord, and the ridiculous claims by some of you guys arguing Lorenzo pulled over and gave up a win, during a knee-down 'mistake' almost-crash moment were absolutely ....... wrong. You guys would do well to man-up and admit you were wrong.

More on Lorenzo, he clearly has ignored team orders any and 'all' times it would have figured this season, most importantly the last two GPs; however, today he impeded his teammate from pressing the issue on the championship today, something unforgivable. And before some of you compare Rossi's rule to 'team orders' get a clue, if you don't know the difference educate yourself before you contend .... you don't know anything about, or worse, not understand. In racing, "anything can happen", it's a saying repeated because it's true, today Marquez almost crashed on a pressured 'mistake', his "save" was a correction, which lucky for him didn’t end up like the other times he's crashed, but just as it was a mistake around Zarco, that mistake could have come from Dovi, hell even Pedrosa if he would have behaved like Lorenzo today. Lorenzo blocked Dovi, period. Lorenzo impeded Dovi's forward progress from advancing during stages when Dovi could have added pressure on Marquez (who isn't infallible despite many here still suggesting it, today once again proving he can make mistakes). Lorenzo eliminated much of the 'anything can happen' unpredictability of a highly pressurized human moment between Dovi and Marquez. Meanwhile, contrasted by Pedrosa provided calm to Marquez in this critical situation, knowing his teammate would not be challenging him, looking back knowing Pedrosa stood as a buffer to the two Ducatis--that's called Honda Team orders, and if anybody at this point thinks Honda doesn’t pull team orders your ability to realize when you're wrong is .....

Honda vs Ducati, clearly the Honda is thee best all around package in GP. Each of their factory riders scored multiple wins, which I should point out, this of course after Honda team orders became a moot point at Valencia. If any of you still think Dovi's personal performance on the worst of the top 3 manufacturers wasn't the difference, your entire opinion on GP bar none is suspect. It's no different than the bopper mentality, seeing Marc as Boppers see Rossi. Lorenzo ended up in the gravel today, scoring zero wins for the season on a machine that supposedly has several advantages to the Honda and Yamaha. For those of you claim it's all moot because Dovi crashed fail (predictably) to understand the dynamic that played out in this race. It was a win or bin proposition at this point for Dovi, given that the race was in the closing stage and Dovi wasn't closer to the leaders, which is something that Lorenzo impeded! Dovi crashing doesn't mean as some of you will conclude, that it doesn't matter what Lorenzo did. If you think this you're either ignorant or plain stupid, without Lorenzo impeding we don't know if Dovi would have been in a position to challenge for the win. That's the point, we don't know, you guys are concluding because Dovi crashed therefore the win was out of reach, yet wins are over a race distance and this year we've seen Dovi ease closer to the leader, calmly conserve tires then, then launch an attack for the win. You guys are saying, well he crashed so that's not a possibility, not factoring in it happened at a moment where time for progression was eliminated by Lorenzo's impedance. Your trading one hypothetical for another and concluding it impossible. Lorenzo may have cost Dovi and Ducati the championship today because he neutralized Dovi's greatest strength-- calmly and methodically advancing to the front, increasing the pressure on Marquez, and increasing the chances of the age old adage, anything can happen.

Ducati vs Yamaha, factory riders each scored wins, Lorenzo on Ducati zero, and that's even after ignoring team orders, as some of you erroneously and absurdly rationalized about the MalaysianGP.

If aliens exist in GP, certainly Dovi put in an alien performance this year, unmatched by anybody on a similar machine, not even the "alien" Lorenzo. Of course we'll never know how Marquez would have faired, or if he could have made similar correction to mistakes (euphemistically called saves) on a far more unpredictable, fickle, capricious, machine, or like winless world champion Lorenzo on the Ducati, but we can imagine. Nonetheless, Marquez won the championship for 2017, on the machine and perennial factory juggernaut he rides for in MotoGP, that's all we can expect of him, and he did a fantastic job. He is special, but human considering the context of being pushed by an inferior machine, by an "inferior" rider, a man Birdy called mocking in references to Dovi's detractors, the 'anomaly', not only battling Marquez which is hard enough, but also a ..... ... teammate. That's motorsport, drivers and riders often are given the accolades for being seemingly better on better machines, the reverse being the case for those losers on inferior machines. The illogical, ignorant, and bopperesk rationalizations over results will always be with us, hell, the world argues over far more important distinguishable ...., notwithstanding, the mismatched parity of motorsport I can accept, it's part of the competition. The minnows versus the giants, Goliath won this time but he was pushed by Ducavid Dovizioso.

Congrats to both.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
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A season for the ages from Dovi, no one else puts that bike anywhere near where he did, the ....... of a thing still won't turn, and particularly what he did on worn tyres in those last lap duels with MM was basically impossible.

I have no idea what Lorenzo was doing. Or Marquez for that matter, although he doubtless knew where Dovi was.
 
A season for the ages from Dovi, no one else puts that bike anywhere near where he did, the ....... of a thing still won't turn, and particularly what he did on worn tyres in those last lap duels with MM was basically impossible.

I have no idea what Lorenzo was doing. Or Marquez for that matter, although he doubtless knew where Dovi was.

Lorenzo was busy torching the remainder of his career.
 
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But before I get into that, again him ignoring Ducati team orders vindicated everything I contended in the MalaysianGP thread, specifically that Ducati team orders didn’t mean ...., Dovi won the race on his own accord, and the ridiculous claims by some of you guys arguing Lorenzo pulled over and gave up a win, during a knee-down 'mistake' almost-crash moment were absolutely ....... wrong. You guys would do well to man-up and admit you were wrong.

Agree with you - today tends to show that AD beat him fair and square at Sepang.
 
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That's pretty harsh, though even if he let Dovi by people would still call him a ..... Even as a Lorenzo fan, I was wishing he would cede the position. Probably impossible for him to bring himself to do it.
 
The final decision is always with the riders on the track. Team messages have to be read as suggestions (even strong and reiterated suggestions) more than "orders": Lorenzo knew better and behaved accordingly, Dovi knew better and after the race acknowledged that having Lorenzo in front was actually helping him. This "final showdown" was just media hype: there was no real way Marc and Honda could lose this. Pedrosa is the proof.
 
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Congrats to Marc for winning on the best package, resourced, organized, and disciplined team in MotoGP. It was from the start, his championship to lose.

Everybody saying Marc's mistakes proves he's this or that need to realize it's first a mistake that needed to be corrected, your glorifying a mistake and using convoluted stretched rationalization to conclude this proves he's supernatural. That's some fascinating logic. Ever think it's the easiest bike to save, you know, using said logic? Because .... it, anything can be reasoned. No way he makes that save on the Ducati, we can also rationalize, why not?

The 'mistake', let's actually call it for what it was, highlights what a prick Lorenzo is, but more on that later. P4, JP, Pov, Iampony, (Arrabi in the past) and anybody else who said Honda do not institute Honda Team orders, today was a great example of how you're wrong on this point, and how you guys were wrong for the MalaysianGP. Pedrosa followed team orders today which means it's likely other times the championship was on the balance, you guys are fools if you're expecting Honda to issue a press release admitting it.

Lorenzo, I hope he just .... away his career. But before I get into that, again him ignoring Ducati team orders vindicated everything I contended in the MalaysianGP thread, specifically that Ducati team orders didn’t mean ...., Dovi won the race on his own accord, and the ridiculous claims by some of you guys arguing Lorenzo pulled over and gave up a win, during a knee-down 'mistake' almost-crash moment were absolutely ....... wrong. You guys would do well to man-up and admit you were wrong.

More on Lorenzo, he clearly has ignored team orders any and 'all' times it would have figured this season, most importantly the last two GPs; however, today he impeded his teammate from pressing the issue on the championship today, something unforgivable. And before some of you compare Rossi's rule to 'team orders' get a clue, if you don't know the difference educate yourself before you contend .... you don't know anything about, or worse, not understand. In racing, "anything can happen", it's a saying repeated because it's true, today Marquez almost crashed on a pressured 'mistake', his "save" was a correction, which lucky for him didn’t end up like the other times he's crashed, but just as it was a mistake around Zarco, that mistake could have come from Dovi, hell even Pedrosa if he would have behaved like Lorenzo today. Lorenzo blocked Dovi, period. Lorenzo impeded Dovi's forward progress from advancing during stages when Dovi could have added pressure on Marquez (who isn't infallible despite many here still suggesting it, today once again proving he can make mistakes). Lorenzo eliminated much of the 'anything can happen' unpredictability of a highly pressurized human moment between Dovi and Marquez. Meanwhile, contrasted by Pedrosa provided calm to Marquez in this critical situation, knowing his teammate would not be challenging him, looking back knowing Pedrosa stood as a buffer to the two Ducatis--that's called Honda Team orders, and if anybody at this point thinks Honda doesn’t pull team orders your ability to realize when you're wrong is .....

Honda vs Ducati, clearly the Honda is thee best all around package in GP. Each of their factory riders scored multiple wins, which I should point out, this of course after Honda team orders became a moot point at Valencia. If any of you still think Dovi's personal performance on the worst of the top 3 manufacturers wasn't the difference, your entire opinion on GP bar none is suspect. It's no different than the bopper mentality, seeing Marc as Boppers see Rossi. Lorenzo ended up in the gravel today, scoring zero wins for the season on a machine that supposedly has several advantages to the Honda and Yamaha. For those of you claim it's all moot because Dovi crashed fail (predictably) to understand the dynamic that played out in this race. It was a win or bin proposition at this point for Dovi, given that the race was in the closing stage and Dovi wasn't closer to the leaders, which is something that Lorenzo impeded! Dovi crashing doesn't mean as some of you will conclude, that it doesn't matter what Lorenzo did. If you think this you're either ignorant or plain stupid, without Lorenzo impeding we don't know if Dovi would have been in a position to challenge for the win. That's the point, we don't know, you guys are concluding because Dovi crashed therefore the win was out of reach, yet wins are over a race distance and this year we've seen Dovi ease closer to the leader, calmly conserve tires then, then launch an attack for the win. You guys are saying, well he crashed so that's not a possibility, not factoring in it happened at a moment where time for progression was eliminated by Lorenzo's impedance. Your trading one hypothetical for another and concluding it impossible. Lorenzo may have cost Dovi and Ducati the championship today because he neutralized Dovi's greatest strength-- calmly and methodically advancing to the front, increasing the pressure on Marquez, and increasing the chances of the age old adage, anything can happen.

Ducati vs Yamaha, factory riders each scored wins, Lorenzo on Ducati zero, and that's even after ignoring team orders, as some of you erroneously and absurdly rationalized about the MalaysianGP.

If aliens exist in GP, certainly Dovi put in an alien performance this year, unmatched by anybody on a similar machine, not even the "alien" Lorenzo. Of course we'll never know how Marquez would have faired, or if he could have made similar correction to mistakes (euphemistically called saves) on a far more unpredictable, fickle, capricious, machine, or like winless world champion Lorenzo on the Ducati, but we can imagine. Nonetheless, Marquez won the championship for 2017, on the machine and perennial factory juggernaut he rides for in MotoGP, that's all we can expect of him, and he did a fantastic job. He is special, but human considering the context of being pushed by an inferior machine, by an "inferior" rider, a man Birdy called mocking in references to Dovi's detractors, the 'anomaly', not only battling Marquez which is hard enough, but also a ..... ... teammate. That's motorsport, drivers and riders often are given the accolades for being seemingly better on better machines, the reverse being the case for those losers on inferior machines. The illogical, ignorant, and bopperesk rationalizations over results will always be with us, hell, the world argues over far more important distinguishable ...., notwithstanding, the mismatched parity of motorsport I can accept, it's part of the competition. The minnows versus the giants, Goliath won this time but he was pushed by Ducavid Dovizioso.

Congrats to both.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.

Maybe JLo did it by chucking the bike in the chicken litter? saves saying I gave up
 
Once again in trouble due to low-grip conditons at Valencia, Valentino Rossi and Movistar Yamaha team-mate Maverick Vinales felt they had little to lose by making a surprise last-minute switch to the 2016 chassis for race day.

That was the same design that Tech 3 star Johann Zarco took to second on the grid and went on to lead for 25 of the 30 race laps.

But for the factory riders, starting seventh (Rossi) and 13th (Vinales), the change meant sacrificing two days of set-up work and starting from scratch in morning warm-up.

"Yesterday night we changed the chassis, we take a chassis from 2016 to try to understand the way," said Rossi, speaking in the Valencia paddock on Sunday evening.

"We did this because the programme was to try the [2016] bike at the test on Tuesday and Wednesday anyway. So we said, 'why don’t we try today?'

"For sure it was a risky choice, but with my [2017] bike we know more-or-less where we are and sometimes in a race you can understand more than in ten days of testing."

Despite Zarco's form, there would be no transformation in results for the factory riders during the grand prix.

Rossi finished the season finale in fifth - gaining places when the factory Ducatis crashed, but being passed by Suzuki's Alex Rins - while Vinales was a cautious twelfth after rear tyre vibrations.

Both were sure the 2016 chassis gave a better feeling, but with it - Rossi cautioned - came a recurrence of rear tyre degradation issues.

"Unfortunately, it is not like you put [the 2016 chassis] and everything is better," Rossi explained.

"It is quite difficult to improve the bike a lot in just one day and at the end I think it was more-or-less the race that I could do with my [2017] bike from yesterday. We are in big, big trouble with the tyres, we don't have grip and it is very difficult to ride.

"But I think we understand something interesting.

"This [2016] bike is easier to ride and you feel better in general. Sincerely, it is what I felt last year when I tried [the 2016 alongside] the new one! But it is also true that we are more in trouble with rear tyre degradation [with the 2016]. So we have some other problem.

"I did the meeting with the Japanese and they are worried like me. But sincerely I don't understand which one [2016 or 2017] will be the base for next year's bike.

"Something strange that we don't understand is that I was 20-seconds slower than last year, with the same tyres and same chassis. But it is also very strange to understand why the race was 15-seconds slower than last year, considering the conditions are exactly the same."

Looking to the future, Rossi said further back-to-back chassis comparisons are likely during this week's official test.

"Now will be a very important period to try to improve before the next championship," Rossi said.

"For me, we have to work in different areas to reduce the gap. Electronics side, but also about the dynamic behaviour of the bike. So it will be an important period for sure. I will try to give all my support. I think - and especially I hope - that we can recover."

Rossi lost out on fourth in the world championship to race winner Dani Pedrosa.

Valencia MotoGP: Rossi raced 2016 chassis - 'it was better, but?' | News
 
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The final decision is always with the riders on the track. Team messages have to be read as suggestions (even strong and reiterated suggestions) more than "orders": Lorenzo knew better and behaved accordingly, Dovi knew better and after the race acknowledged that having Lorenzo in front was actually helping him. This "final showdown" was just media hype: there was no real way Marc and Honda could lose this. Pedrosa is the proof.

I give... in what way is Pedrosa the proof of anything???
 
The final decision is always with the riders on the track. Team messages have to be read as suggestions (even strong and reiterated suggestions) more than "orders": Lorenzo knew better and behaved accordingly, Dovi knew better and after the race acknowledged that having Lorenzo in front was actually helping him. This "final showdown" was just media hype: there was no real way Marc and Honda could lose this. Pedrosa is the proof.

I like you J4, and I largely understand why you're an insane bopper given you're Italian, but friend, you're not some Ducati guru les I remind you of your laughable claim that Ducati didn’t do anything radical to help Rossi during his abject failure at the factory.

First of all, let's put Dovi's quote that is being used here, he wasn't going to say anything different. He didn’t fall into the trap that such a inquiry often makes riders look like chumps. He isn't the one that publicly embarrassed Ducati today. So stop using his quote, he wasn't going to throw teammate, the management, or Ducati or anybody else under the bus, you're thinking of the wrong Italian.

When you get a "suggestion" like Ducati sent repeatedly on the dash, then backed up by an unmistakable order "-1 ARROW DOWN" That's a ....... order that they were forced to make publicly much to their embarrassment. This is something teams like to keep behind a closed door, like Honda did effectively. Gigi is seen even motioning, ok, stop sending the message already, this mothafucker isn't listening, we're looking like a boyfriend arguing with his ........ girlfriend.

Lorenzo basically did in similar capricious behavior and almost parallel outcone what Pedrosa did at Estoril 2006! --raced his teammate hard, pushing to the point of crashing, potentially costing his contending teammate of pressuring the dynamic for the championship. I hope this is an equally defining moment for Lorenzo as it was for Pedrosa then, highlighting what a miserable arrogant selfish Spanish mothafucker Lorenzo has become.

Media hype? Marquez staged putting his elbow down essentially crashing and escaping a mistake? The media had nothing to do with it, it was a reasonable possibility Marc could crash like Rossi did in 06. It seemed far less likely, yet alas, we saw Marc on his side holding himself up by his elbow! That's how close he came from fulfilling "hype". When that happened the dynamic of Lorenzo blocking Dovi for most of the race came into full view. At that moment Lorenzo's capricious Rossiesk behavior prompted Dovi into a win or bin proposition. No long did he have the time to methodically advance on the leaders in a way that we had seem him do all season. Lorenzo neutralized Dovi's strength. Pedrosa only proved that he was following team orders, I gained respect for him. Lorenzo, I've lost all respect for that .....

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
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Jlo is a .... and deserved the crash

....... disgraceful thing to say



And then crashed his brains out.

Dovi had more pace than him for almost the whole race. Why invent things? He was standing the bike up mid corner at various points. Have you ever raced a bike?

And yet Dovi also crashed out .............. but let me guess, this was Lorenzo's fault as well.



Odd that Dovi - after a season of very consistently showing superior mastery of the Ducati, and taking big risks that paid off, sat so tamely behind Lorenzo for the whole race. It was like he was thinking, if MM doesn't crash, what's the point in trying? I don't really believe that, but it did feel like his heart just wasn't in it.

My thought exactly.

Dovi was racing MM and MM only so his focus was on MM and while ever MM stayed upright, there would be no championship for Dovi.

These 'fans' saying that JL was the issue and ignored team orders are kidding themselves (IMO) as even if JL did a Petrucci what was Dovi to do - knock MM off Rossi style?

IMO here but JL was the best to pressure MM in the hope that MM fell or made a significant error as with Dovi slightly further back he had more time to avoid any mess if it happened and were JL to stay upright after an MM moment, I suspect that JL would move. I suspect that JL was going to move over with a few laps to go if needed but the facts are that it needed Pedrosa, Zarco and MM to fail to finish for the result and law of probabilities says that was not going to happen.



Almost had the feeling he was just out of energy in the race. Never looked like himself at all the whole weekend. I wonder if all of the stress finally caught up to him knowing he had to go up against a guy with the confidence of MM. I don't think it should be understated what the mental effect of MM's pole position lap was on Dovizioso. That had to be demoralizing to see him reel off a 1:29 and to see no one could get even remotely close to it. The mental drain doesn't get talked about enough.

Sure he won Sepang but for mine, just body language and all, Dovi has not been himself since the disaster of Phillip Island.

Could it be pressure?

Could it be long season coming to an end?
 
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I'm not a great fan of Lorenzo but he actually was helping Dovi pulling him into slipstream and get some tenths down, also saving a bit more tire.

Would change nothing let him pass, probably JLo would caught him in the last laps, he had better pace.

I think Ducati is the .... by keep sending messages like a mad, each turn a new message, wtf? Stop that .... men, let the guys do the race, Dovi had 1% chance of being WC, c'mom... Even if MM crashed Dovi still had to beat both Zarco and Pedrosa... what chances he had?

At one given moment I think I had seen Daligna asking the crew to stop sending so much messages, it was getting embarrassing.
 
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This is heated and I can feel the emotion. Watching the race, I can't see the Dovi had pace on Lorenzo. It may have looked like it when Dovi closed up on the brakes but if Dovi really had it he would have passed him like he has done all season. This weekend From qualifying on, Dovi has looked like the good old Dovi of the last 10 years. And I like him a lot. Just that his performance was not that of a championship contender.
Some of you argue that his was a masterful performance in the face of really long odds. I didn't see that.
 
I'm not a great fan of Lorenzo but he actually was helping Dovi pulling him into slipstream and get some tenths down, also saving a bit more tire.

Would change nothing let him pass, probably JLo would caught him in the last laps, he had better pace.

I think Ducati is the .... by keep sending messages like a mad, each turn a new message, wtf? Stop that .... men, let the guys do the race, Dovi had 1% chance of being WC, c'mom... Even if MM crashed Dovi still had to beat both Zarco and Pedrosa... what chances he had?

At one given moment I think I had seen Daligna asking the crew to stop sending so much messages, it was getting embarrassing.

I was not sure what Lorenzo was doing even as a Lorenzo fan, the only thing which could explain it/exonerate him is if the riders themselves had some sort of agreement. I do think it is fanciful to suggest he was helping MM as one usual suspect has contended, all MM essentially had to do was settle for not winning the race, and I can’t see Lorenzo risking his career just so MM could clinch the championship with a win rather than by finishing down the field.

What I thought Lorenzo should do before the race was cede to Dovi if it won Dovi the championship but otherwise try to win the race. I can’t justify him racing Dovi for 4th if that is what he was doing with the championship still in play; the only question is whether he was actually holding Dovi up.
 

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