2017 Gran Premio Motul de la Comunitat Valenciana

birdman · Nov 12, 2017

moto vudu said:
How exactly did Rossi screw up the 2017 M1?

By making it slower than the 2016 M1?

Also he made the 2017 Michelin slower than 2016. He’s “at a loss” to explain why the race was 15 seconds slower than last year. I have the answer Vale, it’s your precious pos #070 tire that everyone rejected. Because it’s .....

Recap
2017 Michelin 15 seconds slower than 2016
2017 Yamaha 5 seconds slower than 2016
Constructors Championship Yamaha out of top 2 for first time since 1974
Rossi down to 5th place in championship
Vinales down to 3rd, sabotage mission complete
Best development rider of all time.

povol · Nov 12, 2017

moto vudu said:
How exactly did Rossi screw up the 2017 M1?

You been asleep? Tire changes, chassis changes, all for what, so he could feel better on the bike. Doesn’t matter that his teammate was killing it from day one, he put himself above the team once again.

moto vudu · Nov 12, 2017

birdman said:
By making it slower than the 2016 M1?

Also he made the 2017 Michelin slower than 2016. He’s “at a loss” to explain why the race was 15 seconds slower than last year. I have the answer Vale, it’s your precious pos #070 tire that everyone rejected. Because it’s .....

Recap
2017 Michelin 15 seconds slower than 2016
2017 Yamaha 5 seconds slower than 2016
Constructors Championship Yamaha out of top 2 for first time since 1974
Rossi down to 5th place in championship
Vinales down to 3rd, sabotage mission complete
Best development rider of all time.

Rossi didn't make anything slower. A rider can request an improved part from the team, but if the team delivers a part that doesn't work as the rider intended... how is it the rider's fault? For example, if Rossi complains about a lack of rear grip and Yamaha's engineers produce a chassis that doesn't solve the problem and makes the bike more difficult to ride, you believe it's Rossi's fault for requesting more rear grip? It's the engineer's job to produce parts that improve the ridability of the bike, it's not the rider's fault for asking for improvements. Sometimes the engineers take the rider's feedback and get it right when they design a new part, other times they get it wrong.

If we simply ask Duc for a new forum layout and in a week we get a forum that's painfully slow and difficult to read... are we now website designers that suck at our job?

BarryMachine · Nov 12, 2017

povol said:
All you whining about Jorge, he was laying back trying to drag Dovi into contention. When he upped the pace to join the leaders, Dovi could not follow.

This ...

It was an idiocy for Ducati to have been trying to apply team orders at the time they were ...... but meh , they havent had much practice at when the right time to do so is ...... still credit to them for a good year.

Mick D · Nov 12, 2017

povol said:
All you whining about Jorge, he was laying back trying to drag Dovi into contention. When he upped the pace to join the leaders, Dovi could not follow.

No one is whining.

But using what did happen to counter what may have happened... that's nuts.

The only facts we know are what happened didn't work. What we don't know is what could have happened if Jorge let Dovi past at the earliest possible opportunity. Who the .... cares what happened after Jlo upped the pace 10 laps after he could have let Dovi give it a shot.

If Jlo thought he was faster you still let Dovi by and take the win (or position) on the last lap when you KNOW Dovi's got no hope.

Jlo was a .....

birdman · Nov 12, 2017

moto vudu said:
Rossi didn't make anything slower. A rider can request an improved part from the team, but if the team delivers a part that doesn't work as the rider intended... how is it the rider's fault? For example, if Rossi complains about a lack of rear grip and Yamaha's engineers produce a chassis that doesn't solve the problem and makes the bike more difficult to ride, you believe it's Rossi's fault for requesting more rear grip? It's the engineer's job to produce parts that improve the ridability of the bike, it's not the rider's fault for asking for improvements. Sometimes the engineers take the rider's feedback and get it right when they design a new part, other times they get it wrong.

If we simply ask Duc for a new forum layout and in a week we get a forum that's painfully slow and difficult to read... are we now website designers that suck at our job?

I find it curious, the original 2017 Yamaha worked perfectly with the original softer version of the Michelin. The theory is, with Lorenzo out of the way, Rossi actually asked for a softer Michelin as a way to foil Marquez. And let’s face it, it worked well at the start where Yamaha were clearly ahead of Honda and Ducati. Only one problem, Rossi didn’t anticipate Vinales instant speed. The Yamaha was pretty much perfect, the engineers have delivered for years. Tire 070 took care of all that, and it did it’s job perfectly even if Yamaha are now behind because it has put Rossi back as the go to rider for development.

Mick Doohan had an interesting comment on Lorenzo. That on his day he is unbeatable. His day comes with a soft front tire, not even Marquez can beat him on them because like Rossi he brakes too hard. Marquez just happened to be the lesser of two evils for Rossi this year once he discovered the anti-Honda Marquez tire Michelin produced was a perfect fit for Vinales.

p4p1 · Nov 12, 2017

pyeman said:
My 2 cents too....
You get repeated messages from your team telling you to let your team mate behind you who's still in with a shot at the title through,you move over, cos they're paying your massive wages, and at least let the guy have a chance of catching Marquez and trying to unsettle him, saying that i think we could all see that Dovi didn't have the pace anyway and wasn't going to get to the front,guess everyone can see that for the second race running Lorenzo isn't one for team orders, or perhaps he thought mapping 8 meant just do what the .... you like?...

Ducati have accepted Lorenzos justification which was that he was giving Dovi a tow in the hopes he could drag Dovi up to the front. Dovi agreed with him and said he was right on the limit following Lorenzo and couldn't go quicker but Lorenzo was a great reference for him. Sometimes your boss is wrong and for whatever reason doesn't know what is going on as well as you do.

So really everyone is getting their panties in a twist over something that is a non issue for Dovi and for Ducati now.

BarryMachine · Nov 13, 2017

Meh its just another boppers hate Lorenzo diversion.

Arrabbiata1 · Nov 13, 2017

moto vudu said:
Rossi didn't make anything slower. A rider can request an improved part from the team, but if the team delivers a part that doesn't work as the rider intended... how is it the rider's fault? For example, if Rossi complains about a lack of rear grip and Yamaha's engineers produce a chassis that doesn't solve the problem and makes the bike more difficult to ride, you believe it's Rossi's fault for requesting more rear grip? It's the engineer's job to produce parts that improve the ridability of the bike, it's not the rider's fault for asking for improvements. Sometimes the engineers take the rider's feedback and get it right when they design a new part, other times they get it wrong.

If we simply ask Duc for a new forum layout and in a week we get a forum that's painfully slow and difficult to read... are we now website designers that suck at our job?

Really? Unfortunate then that you said this -

moto vudu said:
Also, the RCV is being developed for Marquez so if he has an issue with it he should be more careful about what development feedback he's giving his engineers.

It gets even better...

moto vudu said:
If the RCV is the most difficult to ride it's because Marquez made it that way! Marquez chooses parts and a development direction that only he can cope with. I have no pity for him when he's bringing all this on himself to screw over every other Honda rider. At the end of the day, he still has the top team in MotoGP developing a bike specifically for HIM! That is privilege and Maverick never got that.

Stated without the slightest hint of irony.

Jumkie said:
P4, JP, Pov, Iampony, (Arrabi in the past) and anybody else who said Honda do not institute Honda Team orders, today was a great example of how you're wrong on this point

Historically I can think of several examples of what arguably were team orders at Honda. My point was that they are less likely to institute them than other marques, particularly as early as Round 6 out of 18 at Catalunya 2013 - a circuit similar to Valencia in its difficulty to execute a pass. Your contention that the reason Marquez did not pass Pedrosa and settled for third because of team orders imposed prior to the race is in my opinion unlikely. I do however entertain the idea that he may have been instructed by Honda brass to calm down, particularly in the vicinity of his team mate - but that is pure conjecture.

Jumkie said:
You guys would do well to man-up and admit you were wrong.

Spoken without the slightest hin...oh never mind.

moto vudu · Nov 13, 2017

My posts that you quoted were supposed to self-destruct 48 hours after I posted them. This forum is broken... someone here sucks at development.

BarryMachine · Nov 13, 2017

moto vudu said:
My posts that you quoted were supposed to self-destruct 48 hours after I posted them. This forum is broken... someone here sucks at development.

Your posts self destruct as you write them dont they?

Gaz · Nov 13, 2017

moto vudu said:
My posts that you quoted were supposed to self-destruct 48 hours after I posted them. This forum is broken... someone here sucks at development.

If you have a clipboard you could print out the various posts together with the comparitive times of those posts and posts made by others of similar content and come up with a conspiracy theory that people are teaming up to make this forum gang up on your thoughts

moto vudu · Nov 13, 2017

BarryMachine said:
Your posts self destruct as you write them dont they?

Depends on whether or not I read them as I write them.

BarryMachine · Nov 13, 2017

moto vudu said:
Depends on whether or not I read them as I write them.

What!!!? You have read one of your posts!

Jumkie · Nov 13, 2017

povol said:
All you whining about Jorge, he was laying back trying to drag Dovi into contention. When he upped the pace to join the leaders, Dovi could not follow. Congrats to Marc on the championship but he threw away an easy win. He let Zarco’s reputation push him into a stupid mistake . Glad Dani won and took 4 th from Rossi. Been busy this afternoon getting ready to have knee replacement surgery in the morning, did Rossi retire.?

Good luck Pov. Hopefully the new knee will return you to sensible race opinions, because lately they've been awful, maybe while your there the doc and replace your worn out sense of racing, ha!

It's not coincidence you were sure Lorenzo followed team orders and gave up a guaranteed win at MalaysianGP and equally wrong about Lorenzo "dragging" Dovi up at Valencia.

See you on the other side of knee surger buddy, we will be ready to write epic essays on your Lazarus style comeback of biblical proportions.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.

synn · Nov 13, 2017

Marquez’s mom told Zarco Saturday night to please take it easy at the race start.
That’s adorable and a very mom thing to do!

Theo · Nov 13, 2017

povol said:
All you whining about Jorge, he was laying back trying to drag Dovi into contention. When he upped the pace to join the leaders, Dovi could not follow. Congrats to Marc on the championship but he threw away an easy win. He let Zarco’s reputation push him into a stupid mistake . Glad Dani won and took 4 th from Rossi. Been busy this afternoon getting ready to have knee replacement surgery in the morning, did Rossi retire.?

I'm glad its one knee, I've had both mine done. Don't stay on the crutches to long walking sticks are better as I found out the hard way.

Oh and good luck.

basspete · Nov 13, 2017

Throwing my tartan hat into the ring here. Crazy race, shame Jorge’s ego got in the way, early in the race he was clearly holding Dovi up. Should have let him go and see what he could do. Was a big Lorenzo fan until the 2015 debacle, but he is too up his own arse to ride for a team. Prick. Hope Dovi kicks his arse again next year. Well done Marks Mark, another title, and didn’t try and kill anyone. Must be mellowing. Zarco, ....... amazing ride. The times they are a changing. Nice to see Marquez sharing his celebrations with his wee sister Alice. One day he will get a bronze at the Spanish games in the Kieron.

synn · Nov 13, 2017

Rooting for Miller in the second factory Ducati seat for 2019.
J.Lo would look great on an Avintia! Or maybe even one of them newfangled Triumph Moto2 machines!

MdubSTYLIE · Nov 13, 2017

synn said:
Rooting for Miller in the second factory Ducati seat for 2019.
J.Lo would look great on an Avintia! Or maybe even one of them newfangled Triumph Moto2 machines!

I like this guy. One day 52 posts and counting containing nothing but wonderful fuckery

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