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he didnt want Dovi to win the title and truly take the number 1 spot at Ducati in 2018
I believe that was his main motivation for blocking Dovi, but he's still the #2 now. It was a stupid move. Absolutely nothing would have changed by letting him by... except earning the respect of not only every team in the paddock, but also of thousands of MotoGP fans. If I was him, I'd have done that before anybody asked me to. It was entirely possible he could have caught up the front without having to push that hard due to being held up for many laps. And that MM could have crashed with more pressure. Lots of 'what ifs', and as a TEAMmate (and a team member), you shouldn't want to be in any way part of them. If JL had let him pass, and he didn't have the pace to fight for the win (whether crashing or not), nothing lost, and there would had been zero resentment against him from fans and teams. I truly believe that behavior cost him millions in the future (teams not wanting him), and well deserved. I'm glad for MM's title win, but Ducati needed the title a lot more than Honda; it'd had been great for the sport IMO. Yes, the chances of Dovi taking the title were slim, but if MM had crashed (which he almost did even without too much pressure), he could had been pretty darn close even without the win. Anyway, the good news is the season was tight, and the title won on the last race. Hope it continues that way, with even more players at the top. Now MotoGP is the best racing in the world IMO. Have a good one everybody.
 
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I believe that was his main motivation for blocking Dovi, but he's still the #2 now. It was a stupid move. Absolutely nothing would have changed by letting him by... except earning the respect of not only every team in the paddock, but also of thousands of MotoGP fans. If I was him, I'd have done that before anybody asked me to. It was entirely possible he could have caught up the front without having to push that hard due to being held up for many laps. And that MM could have crashed with more pressure. Lots of 'what ifs', and as a TEAMmate (and a team member), you shouldn't want to be in any way part of them. If JL had let him pass, and he didn't have the pace to fight for the win (whether crashing or not), nothing lost, and there would had been zero resentment against him from fans and teams. I truly believe that behavior cost him millions in the future (teams not wanting him), and well deserved. I'm glad for MM's title win, but Ducati needed the title a lot more than Honda; it'd had been great for the sport IMO. Yes, the chances of Dovi taking the title were slim, but if MM had crashed (which he almost did even without too much pressure), he could had been pretty darn close even without the win. Anyway, the good news is the season was tight, and the title won on the last race. Hope it continues that way, with even more players at the top. Now MotoGP is the best racing in the world IMO. Have a good one everybody.
If he proceeded as he did for the reasons you give then what you say is true and he may well be on his last contract with a competitive team.

It will out I guess whether this truly is the case and certainly whether Ducati really believe the post race version of events cf Ducati's attitude to Iannone subsequent to him taking both himself and Dovi out of a podium.

A the moment both Dovi himself and J4rn0, a noted Italian member who is both a Doviphile and a Ducatista and someone who has shown himself to be in touch with matters Ducati on numerous occasions in the past seem to accept Lorenzo's version of events.
 
How dare you assume gender.

I mean, in this day and age I would have thought you, of all people would not jump to a conclusion that poster 'synn' is a male ............. :p

I like to identify with myself as a yellow Ferrari on Monday’s through saturdays and a toaster on sundays.

My bad Gaz you were right. It appears 6 days a week she likes rich old white guys inside of her, and on the last days she will toast anyone with bread.
 
I like to identify with myself as a yellow Ferrari on Monday’s through saturdays and a toaster on sundays.

Shorted out?

BTW everyone knows Ferrari's are broken down by the kerb Monday to Saturday.
 
Historically I can think of several examples of what arguably were team orders at Honda. My point was that they are less likely to institute them than other marques, particularly as early as Round 6 out of 18 at Catalunya 2013 - a circuit similar to Valencia in its difficulty to execute a pass.

Well, you've gone from Honda would rather murder their children than institute team orders to remembering examples of them doing it. Progress!

The original debate was my suggestion that Marc 'may have been instructed by Honda brass to calm down, particularly in the vicinity of his team mate', you rejected it, equating this to Honda Team orders, and they'd never do that... If only I could find someone to say this very thing now that I said then...

Oh wait, what's this?

Your contention that the reason Marquez did not pass Pedrosa and settled for third because of team orders imposed prior to the race is in my opinion unlikely.

Hilarious compa, you still trying to reframe the debate by saying something totally false. You went on a rampage saying Honda would never institute team orders when I suggested the adults in the room told Marc to ride smart around his teammate, which is not equate telling Marc to ride shotgun.

I said basically what you 'now' say below:


I do however entertain the idea that he may have been instructed by Honda brass to calm down, particularly in the vicinity of his team mate - but that is pure conjecture.

Progress!

Even though you're still trying to save face by trying to portray my position as Honda team orders, you at least now concede somebody might have spoken to Marc, who at the time rode unhinged, to tighten up a bit around Pedro.

You've taken my position and made it your own, shrewd, let's just say you've finally conceded and call it a day shall we?

Btw, just out of curiosity, do you agree or disagree that Pedrosa rode at Valencia 17 in a manner consistent with Honda team orders?


If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
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How dare you assume gender.

I mean, in this day and age I would have thought you, of all people would not jump to a conclusion that poster 'synn' is a male ............. :p


My bad also, I immediately assumed synn was a thirteen year old girl. Walter seems to think she still sleeps in a cot, so I might have been a little generous with her age estimation. But there I go again, assuming that synn is actually human.
 
Well, you've gone from Honda would rather murder their children than institute team orders to remembering examples of them doing it. Progress!

The original debate was my suggestion that Marc 'may have been instructed by Honda brass to calm down, particularly in the vicinity of his team mate', you rejected it, equating this to Honda Team orders, and they'd never do that... If only I could find someone to say this very thing now that I said then...

Oh wait, what's this?



Hilarious compa, you still trying to reframe the debate by saying something totally false. You went on a rampage saying Honda would never institute team orders when I suggested the adults in the room told Marc to ride smart around his teammate, which is not equate telling Marc to ride shotgun.

I said basically what you 'now' say below:




Progress!

Even though you're still trying to save face by trying to portray my position as Honda team orders, you at least now concede somebody might have spoken to Marc, who at the time rode unhinged, to tighten up a bit around Pedro.

You've taken my position and made it your own, shrewd, let's just say you've finally conceded and call it a day shall we?

Btw, just out of curiosity, do you agree or disagree that Pedrosa rode at Valencia 17 in a manner consistent with Honda team orders?


If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.

Of course Honda have team orders.

I agree that Honda tend not to have team orders from the getgo however and to let the riders fight it out initially in a given season eg Stoner and Pedrosa at Sachsenring 2012. I had no problem with that but think they should have had team orders at Estoril 2006 for instance, although I guess Puig at least would have argued and did argue iirc that Dani was still in contention which he was mathematically.
 
A the moment both Dovi himself and J4rn0, a noted Italian member who is both a Doviphile and a Ducatista and someone who has shown himself to be in touch with matters Ducati on numerous occasions in the past seem to accept Lorenzo's version of events.

J4 is as much in touch with Ducati as moon landing deniers are with NASA.

This is the guy who for two years said Ducati were NOT doing anything radical to accommodate the Ducati to Rossi. Except the public record tells tge opposite story, from monumental resources, management and design changes, and replacing personnel at Corse for Rossi's dream team, to even jettisoning their signature design elements for a twin-spar chassis that they couldn't even build in-house. J4 consistently blamed Ducati for Rossi's inability to move the project forward. Keep in mind, at the time Rossi was the undisputed GOAT, so it shouldn't have need too much tweaking to get the machine back in championship contention, given that in the form the bike was handed to Rossi and Co. It was in fact a multiple race winner. Over two years Rossi won zero. But J4 is the guy you're going to endorse as 'insider's voice' and the stethoscope's ear for Ducati's pulse?

And as far as J4 being this great Doviphile, I can think of only one ever post/thread started by J4 in support of Dovi, and as I recall I called ........ on it because if anything, J4 is known for being a staunch Rossi's fan of the bopper variety.

I like J4, and i admire his tenacity as misplaced as it is, he has put up with lots of people telling him he's full of crap around here, particularly because he took Rossi's side in the infamous debacle of 2015, not exactly undeserved; but let's not start handing out Nobel prizes as the human polygraph expert on Lorenzo's ........ claims, especially not citing support because J4 is "in touch with Ducati".

What were you guys expecting Dovi to say after he had just come off a crash ending his title bid? ....... Lorenzo held me up? How would that gone over? Beside the fact Dovi doesn't have it in him to throw people under the bus, a characteristic we admire, he wouldn't say it publicly. What did you expect Lorenzo to say? .... guys, I ...... up, I should have eliminated myself from this controversial situation like good old Pedrosa. What did you guys expect Ducati to say, this dick ignored us, made us look like chumps in front of the GP world, we don't accept his stupid ....... insane claim that he was towing Dovi.


You know why we're not talking about Pedrosa? Because he didn't have to go around lying that he was towing Marc by doing what he could have done evidenced his increase in pace and tenacity with Zarco, and, take note, by his willingness to challenge Marc at Valencia 15. No, Pedrosa rode comfortably shot gun, then straight up won the race when it was a moot point. Now he doesn't have to answer to questions needing a PR machine.

I find it fascinating that the people who did NOT believe Lorenzo was telling the truth in regards to Malaysia's team orders and figured Lorenzo let Dovi by (despite Jorge saying the contrary) are the ones now citing Lorenzo as the model of honesty. He lied at Malaysia but now he's the Pope of truth?

Mike, you say there's no reason why Lorenzo would lie about the dynamic that unfolded at Valencia. There is absolutely reason, not the least being ruthlessly selfish ego for imposing his status back into a team that he has largely failed!


What I think happen in Lorenzo's mind was he perceived this title a foregone conclusion, like many here actually. So he rode like it's the new season. Similar to Rossi at Phillip Island this year. Consider this, when Rossi failed to score a win at Ducati, his teammate didn’t go scoring 6 wins and contending for the championship. If we compare Rossi and Lorenzo's first year stint at Ducati, Lorenzo comes out looking like an epic disaster. Imagine if Rossi's teammate had won as many as Dovi? I'd be the first to point it out with glee. Lorenzo is desperate, and his true colors shown these last two races. I really did think he was better than this, he's not. He is a .....

I really do hope this becomes a defining moment for Lorenzo, as it did for Pedrosa when he did similar at Estoril. Though Pedrosa I believe learned and eventually became a better person, though it took over a decade. Pedrosa rode at Valencia 17 in a manner that I had believed Lorenzo would for such an occasion. The way of the world is such that the ........ always win, so I don't expect Jorge to ever enjoy the karma for this selfish capricious behavior, but he definitely .... away respect by many individuals who aren't becoming the new Marquez's fan version of boppers.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
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J4 is as much in touch with Ducati as moon landing deniers are with NASA.

This is the guy who for two years said Ducati were NOT doing anything radical to accommodate the Ducati to Rossi. Except the public record tells tge opposite story, from monumental resources, management and design changes, and replacing personnel at Corse for Rossi's dream team, to even jettisoning their signature design elements for a twin-spar chassis that they couldn't even build in-house. J4 consistently blamed Ducati for Rossi's inability to move the project forward. Keep in mind, at the time Rossi was the undisputed GOAT, so it shouldn't have need too much tweaking to get the machine back in championship contention, given that in the form the bike was handed to Rossi and Co. It was in fact a multiple race winner. Over two years Rossi won zero. But J4 is the guy you're going to endorse as 'insider's voice' and the stethoscope's ear for Ducati's pulse?

And as far as J4 being this great Doviphile, I can think of only one ever post/thread started by J4 in support of Dovi, and as I recall I called ........ on it because if anything J4 is known for (definitely not a Ducatista) is being a staunch Rossi's fan of the bopper variety.

Now, let's be clear, I like J4, and i admire his tenacity as misplaced as it is, he has put up with lots of people telling him he's full of .... around here, particularly because he took Rossi's side in the infamous debacle of 2015, not exactly undeserved; but let's not start handing out Nobel prizes as the human polygraph expert on Lorenzo's ........ claims, especially not citing support because J4 is "in touch with Ducati".

What were you guys expecting Dovi to say after he had just come off a crash? ....... Lorenzo held me up? How would that gone over? Beside the fact Dovi doesn't have it in him to throw people under the bus. What did you expect Lorenzo to say? .... guys, I ...... up, I should have eliminated myself from this controversial situation like good old Pedrosa. What did you guys expect Ducati to say, this mothafucker ignored us, made us look like chumps in front of the GP world, we don't accept his stupid ....... insane claim that he was towing Dovi.


You know why we're not talking about Pedrosa? Because he didn't have to go around lying that he was towing Marc by doing what he could have done evidenced by his willingness to challenge Marc at Valencia 15. No, Pedrosa rode comfortably shot gun, then straight up won the race when it was a moot point. Now he doesn't have to answer to questions needing a PR machine.

I find it fascinating that the people who didn’t believe Lorenzo was telling the truth in regards to Malaysia's supposed team orders and figured Lorenzo let Dovi by (despite Jorge saying the contrary) are the ones now citing Lorenzo as the model of honesty. He lied at Malaysia but now he's the Pope of truth?

Mike, you say there's no reason why Lorenzo would lie about the dynamic that unfolded at Valencia. There is absolutely reason, not the least being ruthlessly selfish for imposing his status back into a team that he has largely failed! Consider this, when Rossi failed to score a win at Ducati, his teammate didn’t go scoring 6 wins and contending for the championship. If we compare Rossi and Lorenzo's first year stint at Ducati, Lorenzo comes out looking like a bitch. Imagine if Rossi's teammate had won as many as Dovi? I'd be the first to point it out with glee. Lorenzo is desperate, and his true colors shown these last two races. I really did think he was better than this, he's not. He is a .....

I really do hope this becomes a defining moment for Lorenzo, as it did for Pedrosa when he did similar. Though Pedrosa I believe learned and eventually became a better person, though it took over a decade. Pedrosa rode at Valencia in a manner that I had believed Lorenzo the man for such occasion. The way of the world is such that the ........ always win, so I don't expect Jorge to ever enjoy the karma for this selfish capricious behavior, but he definitely .... away respect by many individuals who aren't becoming the new Marquez's fan version of boppers.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.

I thought what you did watching the race, and actually stopped watching when Lorenzo continued to fail to pull over because I found the situation unpleasant and foresaw absolutely no outcome which I would find desirable. If it is the case that he raced Dovi for position and impeded Dovi’s race just because he could then it is both incomprehensible and indefensible as I have said. I would have thought this race makes it more rather than less likely that there were team orders at Sepang however, but equally makes it rather less likely that if there were team orders that Lorenzo either acceded to them or that Dovi won the race thereby, having always agreed with you that on the evidence of the whole season the likelihood of Dovi being superior at the end of a race was high anyway.

As I said, we will see by Ducati’s and Dovi’s attitudes going forward whether Lorenzo’s post race narrative has any plausibility with those most affected. If he did do as you say, it is incomprehensibly stupid apart from anything else, and at odds with his actions for the rest of the season given he seems to have worked hard for team goals despite his own poor form and results. My point with J4rn0 was not that he is less liable to bias than you, me or anyone else, but that he is definitely not a noted Lorenzo fan or MM fan, very definitely is both Italian and a Ducatista, and as a follower of Motorsport from an Italian perspective was supporting Dovi and pleased with his success by my recollections of his posts this year, and is not someone who has any reason I can see to extend any benefit of the doubt to Lorenzo if none exists, and indeed if biased would be expected to be biased in the other direction.

As you say the way of the world is that even if culpable if he comes out and dominates testing and the early races next year he will be forgiven by Ducati at least, but if he is counting on that outcome he is once again incomprehensibly stupid.
 
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Dall'Igna said openly that Lorenzo was right and the team "suggestions" were wrong. Now folks, make whatever you want of it. I know both Dovi and him are speaking their mind honestly.
 
Dall'Igna said openly that Lorenzo was right and the team "suggestions" were wrong. Now folks, make whatever you want of it. I know both Dovi and him are speaking their mind honestly.

I think Dovi is just too much of a nice guy to say what a lot of us are thinking, Lorenzo's a ....,and i've always liked the guy up until now, he almost crashed in Malaysia in his eagerness to stay in front of Dovi despite getting the mapping 8 'suggestion' there too,it must really grip his .... to have been made to look so average by his team mate this year,remember Ducati brought him in to win the title and he couldn't even win a single race,and no one expected Dovi to have a season like that when he was supposed to be Lorenzo's understudy..
 
Gotta love the typical motogp forum cycle, merely hours after the season ends, lots of boppers register and make off-season more of a chore of what already is. Then the season starts and their forum activity slowly start to diminish at the same rate Rossi's chances to win the championship fade away
 
Dall'Igna said openly that Lorenzo was right and the team "suggestions" were wrong. Now folks, make whatever you want of it. I know both Dovi and him are speaking their mind honestly.
Everything said publicly on this issue is for public consumption, it's straight out of PR handbook. For reference neither rider blamed eachother or accepted responsibility (Pedrosa) in the most obvious teammate debacle ever at Estoril 06. Honda officially didn’t come out and say, yup Pedrosa is an ......., he ...... up. Don't expect Ducati to throw their million dollar failure under the bus. They're stuck with this ....... now.

This is a more subtle situation than Estoril 06, and even then there were people like you and others, just like on this thread now, saying Pedrosa was justified and worse blamed the incident on Nicky. It's ludicrous now to read people say Dovi was tired or distracted or mentally fatigued or whatever stupid .... I'm reading, newsflash Marquez went into the gravel, lucky the gravel wasnt more deep in that area, he was far more affected and he was in the points lead. In other words he had less of a reason to bin it! It's also idiotic to read people assign some positive attribute to Marc's mistakes that could have cost him the championship. It was stupid, it was lucky, and it was not an example of smarts and sure as hell wasn't admirable; most of all it shows he cracked under pressure! Oh yeah, that's right, he succumbed to pressure, his body language, looking back repeatedly, missing his brake marker, putting the bike on his elbow and riding through the gravel, that my friend is cracking under pressure! Much like some here are suggesting was the case for Dovi. Let's examine this absurd reasoning: Dovi was in the bin or win situation NOT Marquez, yet Marc almost binned and had to ride through the gravel and people are pointing to it like it's so wonderful. Dovi went for broke and binned it! Yet people are flaunting over Marc's heroics? The world has gone mad.


This situation is more subtle than Estoril 06, but as I said above, you got people saying the most insane ....: Lorenzo was helping Dovi, the championship was a foregone conclusion, Dovi wasn't going to win, bla bla. Then why have the race? We knew it was a hail mary situation, we knew it was a miracle proposition, YET people here, stunningly coming from solid members, perceived it's as done because the great infallible Marquez was in the drivers seat. Yet he almost crashed! Yet Dovi was in the lead group, that after a horrible qual. Yet Dovi momentary was just behind the two combatants disputing a win, one of which is known for aggressive riding. The miraculous was a real possibility! But what did Lorenzo vs Pedrosa do in this situation? Pedrosa thumbed the scale in Marc's favor all race. Lorenzo thumbed the scale decidedly against his teammate.


Ducati's star and supposed #1 embarrassingly thumbed his nose at a direct team order. You've tried to downplay it as a mere "suggestion", but it wasn't at the time, see the neon arrow on the pit board. How many times did they light up his dashboard? You nor Ducati can weasel out of this fact. Lorenzo said .... you, I know better, and by doing so did exactly what Rossi did for Yamaha, they had to 'tow' the ........ line afterwards.

How come Ducati or Lorenzo didn't say he was "towing" Dovi up at Malaysia? The answer is because it's ......... J4, you're the last person here to speak in authoritative way regarding Ducati. You are the Italian version of a Birther (an American faction of people who believe the former US president was not born in Hawaii). When you took Rossi's side in the 2015 conspiracy debacle and previously the claim that Ducati didn’t do anything radical to help Rossi during his stint you elevated yourself to Birther status. You're opinion on Ducati is frankly as valid as moon landing conspiracy theorists regarding NASA. I just said this above, but it bears repeating. When you're so far off base on two seminal moments of the sport, everything else is suspect.



If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
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I find it curious, the original 2017 Yamaha worked perfectly with the original softer version of the Michelin. The theory is, with Lorenzo out of the way, Rossi actually asked for a softer Michelin as a way to foil Marquez. And let’s face it, it worked well at the start where Yamaha were clearly ahead of Honda and Ducati. Only one problem, Rossi didn’t anticipate Vinales instant speed. The Yamaha was pretty much perfect, the engineers have delivered for years. Tire 070 took care of all that, and it did it’s job perfectly even if Yamaha are now behind because it has put Rossi back as the go to rider for development.

Mick Doohan had an interesting comment on Lorenzo. That on his day he is unbeatable. His day comes with a soft front tire, not even Marquez can beat him on them because like Rossi he brakes too hard. Marquez just happened to be the lesser of two evils for Rossi this year once he discovered the anti-Honda Marquez tire Michelin produced was a perfect fit for Vinales.[/QUOTE
 
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Everything said publicly on this issue is for public consumption, it's straight out of PR handbook. For reference neither rider blamed eachother or accepted responsibility (Pedrosa) in the most obvious teammate debacle ever at Estoril 06. Honda officially didn’t come out and say, yup Pedrosa is an ......., he ...... up. Don't expect Ducati to throw their million dollar failure under the bus. They're stuck with this ....... now.

This is a more subtle situation than Estoril 06, and even then there were people like you and others, just like on this thread now, saying Pedrosa was justified and worse blamed the incident on Nicky. It's ludicrous now to read people say Dovi was tired or distracted or mentally fatigued or whatever stupid .... I'm reading, newsflash Marquez went into the gravel, lucky the gravel wasnt more deep in that area, he was far more affected and he was in the points lead. In other words he had less of a reason to bin it! It's also idiotic to read people assign some positive attribute to Marc's mistakes that could have cost him the championship. It was stupid, it was lucky, and it was not an example of smarts and sure as hell wasn't admirable; most of all it shows he cracked under pressure! Oh yeah, that's right, he succumbed to pressure, his body language, looking back repeatedly, missing his brake marker, putting the bike on his elbow and riding through the gravel, that my friend is cracking under pressure! Much like some here are suggesting was the case for Dovi. Let's examine this absurd reasoning: Dovi was in the bin or win situation NOT Marquez, yet Marc almost binned and had to ride through the gravel and people are pointing to it like it's so wonderful. Dovi went for broke and binned it! Yet people are flaunting over Marc's heroics? The world has gone mad.


This situation is more subtle than Estoril 06, but as I said above, you got people saying the most insane ....: Lorenzo was helping Dovi, the championship was a foregone conclusion, Dovi wasn't going to win, bla bla. Then why have the race? We knew it was a hail mary situation, we knew it was a miracle proposition, YET people here, stunningly coming from solid members, perceived it's as done because the great infallible Marquez was in the drivers seat. Yet he almost crashed! Yet Dovi was in the lead group, that after a horrible qual. Yet Dovi momentary was just behind the two combatants disputing a win, one of which is known for aggressive riding. The miraculous was a real possibility! But what did Lorenzo vs Pedrosa do in this situation? Pedrosa thumbed the scale in Marc's favor all race. Lorenzo thumbed the scale decidedly against his teammate.


Ducati's star and supposed #1 embarrassingly thumbed his nose at a direct team order. You've tried to downplay it as a mere "suggestion", but it wasn't at the time, see the neon arrow on the pit board. How many times did they light up his dashboard? You nor Ducati can weasel out of this fact. Lorenzo said .... you, I know better, and by doing so did exactly what Rossi did for Yamaha, they had to 'tow' the ........ line afterwards.

How come Ducati or Lorenzo didn't say he was "towing" Dovi up at Malaysia? The answer is because it's ......... J4, you're the last person here to speak in authoritative way regarding Ducati. You are the Italian version of a Birther (an American faction of people who believe the former US president was not born in Hawaii). When you took Rossi's side in the 2015 conspiracy debacle and previously the claim that Ducati didn’t do anything radical to help Rossi during his stint you elevated yourself to Birther status. You're opinion on Ducati is frankly as valid as moon landing conspiracy theorists regarding NASA. I just said this above, but it bears repeating. When you're so far off base on two seminal moments of the sport, everything else is suspect.



If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
MM rode a really stupid race, particularly in comparison with Valencia 2013 when your appellation for him then, “Murder Marc”, was imo quite apt.

When Iannone took Dovi out 2 years ago Dovi wasn’t at all reticent and Ducati’s subsequent attitude to Iannone was fairly clear, and the same may become clear in regard to Lorenzo as I have said. I can see an argument that the senior figures who chose to sign Lorenzo , particularly Gigi, which most on here considered ill advised for both parties, may see themselves as having a lot to lose and potentially prone to going down with him if Ducati eventually decide decide to dump him. What I don’t understand is what ulterior motive you think J4rn0 would have for supporting Lorenzo over Dovi.
 
I think Dovi is just too much of a nice guy to say what a lot of us are thinking, Lorenzo's a ....,and i've always liked the guy up until now, he almost crashed in Malaysia in his eagerness to stay in front of Dovi despite getting the mapping 8 'suggestion' there too,it must really grip his .... to have been made to look so average by his team mate this year,remember Ducati brought him in to win the title and he couldn't even win a single race,and no one expected Dovi to have a season like that when he was supposed to be Lorenzo's understudy..

Lorenzo failed to read the fine print when signing with Ducati, which states; "Only Australian and Italian riders are capable of winning GP races on a Ducati". I don't think Lorenzo has done himself any favours within the team moving forwards, regardless of their public statements.
 
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