2017 Gran Premio Motul de la Comunitat Valenciana

Barbedwirebikerr · Nov 12, 2017

Marc Marquez is Marc Marquez. Well and truly deserves the title. That save epitomises his season. On the edge, rolling the dice, dealing with the outcomes.

Alien - out of this world.

Marc Marquez - out of this dimension.

Andrea Dovisioso.

He had a second rate ride, but took his luck and capatalised when he could. Almost took the pig to a title.

Lorenzo. My immediate thoughts, he's a racer and that's what he's paid to do. He's gone up in my estimation. Obeying orders were not achieving anything at that moment. Dovi never had the pace all weekend.

The big what if? MM93 almost delivered it. Even if he didn't save it Dovi was never winning this race.

Keshav · Nov 12, 2017

Odd that Dovi - after a season of very consistently showing superior mastery of the Ducati, and taking big risks that paid off, sat so tamely behind Lorenzo for the whole race. It was like he was thinking, if MM doesn't crash, what's the point in trying? I don't really believe that, but it did feel like his heart just wasn't in it.

Iamapony · Nov 12, 2017

Another amazing thread.

Did Dovisiozo not crash out all on his own?
Did he ever show a wheel to Lorenso?
Did not Marquez make a save that virtually no one else, EVER could have made? He was going for the win because, well, he wants to win races. Dovisiozo crashes in the gravel. MM accelerates and rides it out of the gravel to take third . Just historic, is all.

I luvs me some Zarco.

MigsAngel · Nov 12, 2017

Little Walter said:
And they said he was no longer a primadonna.

I am sure some people on this forum will spin it be Rossi's fault that JLo disobeyed team orders...

p4p1 · Nov 12, 2017

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/dovizioso-lorenzo-didn-t-hold-me-up-valencia-977728/

Looks like Dovi disagrees with some here.

danski · Nov 12, 2017

MichaelBolton said:
I'm not sure what Jorge had to win from defending a 4th place finish. Super stupid for him, regardless of what you think of team orders, why risk ....... with the team spirit when you don't have a chance to get the win? I wonder how the mood will be in Ducati the next year regarding Jorge.

Marquez, what to say, an utter phenomenom. Makes a miraculous save and still have enough luck to land a 6 in that dice

Zarco should be piloting the factory Yamaha. Rossi with his worst season in years, Mav has no answers for the bike.

Dovi should be proud for his effort. I'm not sure he will be there the next year.

Really curious about KTM going to the next season. Great performance in their first year in MGP

Zarco will be on the 2017 m1 next year, we'll see how it goes for him on that before calling for a factory seat.

RCV600RR · Nov 12, 2017

Pirro beat Mav by 10 seconds. Bizarre day.

MichaelBolton · Nov 12, 2017

danski said:
Zarco will be on the 2017 m1 next year, we'll see how it goes for him on that before calling for a factory seat.

Maybe Tech3 will choose to stay with the successful early year chasis, Rossi doesn't have to mandate what chasis the satellite teams should use

MigsAngel · Nov 12, 2017

p4p1 said:
https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/dovizioso-lorenzo-didn-t-hold-me-up-valencia-977728/

Looks like Dovi disagrees with some here.

Dovi said the right thing in public...he has a lot of class and professionalism...

Either way, Ducati management made a decision and JLo Ignored it....that shows he is not a team player and lack Dovi's professionalism.....and class in my opinion....

Bern1 · Nov 12, 2017

Well well, fantastic season, I am going to a GP in 2018.....but which one? Seems somewhere in Spain would be a good choice!

It did look like Dovi had a little something on Lorenzo early, but if he really did he should have passed him. Dovi looking like the Dovi of old.

Lorenzo doesn’t care what anybody thinks about him. Sure, would have been a nice gesture to let his teammate by but nice guys finish last. Dovi wasn’t going to win unless everybody crashes in front of him. Which I admit could have been the outcome. Got to be frosty in the Ducati garage!

Can you see rossi pulling over for a team mate?

p4p1 · Nov 12, 2017

I think regardless of results next year Zarco is going to be hot property, he has had a great season this year and the 2017 machines problems are well publicised.

I love that we have more good bikes though, Zarco and potentially Folger could be pushing for factory equipment, if Oliveira has a great season in moto2 KTM might look to bring him up or maybe Honda wants a replacement for Pedrosa, Rossi might retire, anything could happen to Mav.

p4p1 · Nov 12, 2017

MigsAngel said:
Dovi said the right thing in public...he has a lot of class and professionalism...

Either way, Ducati management made a decision and JLo Ignored it....that shows he is not a team player and lack Dovi's professionalism.....and class in my opinion....

Once again, Dovi said regardless of Lorenzo he couldn't up his pace to match the others. If Dovi has more pace with his brilliant braking he could've at least shown Lorenzo a wheel.

p4p1 · Nov 12, 2017

Lorenzo upped his pace and pulled away from Dovi before the crash, Dovi saw Marquez's moment and tried to push more. Maybe just maybe by pushing more to try and run a faster pace which he said was over the limit caused him to crash.

Bern1 · Nov 12, 2017

p4p1 said:
I think regardless of results next year Zarco is going to be hot property, he has had a great season this year and the 2017 machines problems are well publicised.

I love that we have more good bikes though, Zarco and potentially Folger could be pushing for factory equipment, if Oliveira has a great season in moto2 KTM might look to bring him up or maybe Honda wants a replacement for Pedrosa, Rossi might retire, anything could happen to Mav.

Quite the case.

Mav folded down the stretch, living up to JPS’s prediction. Regardless of the fact that he may have had the right combination in the early season, he was not able to adapt to the situation he faced in the last half. Looked positively lost the last few races, body language alone showed he had no clue. Team obviously not helping.

Lorenzo looking better and better actually.

Theo · Nov 12, 2017

MichaelBolton said:
I'm not sure what Jorge had to win from defending a 4th place finish. Super stupid for him, regardless of what you think of team orders, why risk ....... with the team spirit when you don't have a chance to get the win? I wonder how the mood will be in Ducati the next year regarding Jorge.

Marquez, what to say, an utter phenomenom. Makes a miraculous save and still have enough luck to land a 6 in that dice

Zarco should be piloting the factory Yamaha. Rossi with his worst season in years, Mav has no answers for the bike.

Dovi should be proud for his effort. I'm not sure he will be there the next year.

Really curious about KTM going to the next season. Great performance in their first year in MGP

I expect Maverick has got some words for it and it revolves around his stupid team mate and his I can't win so i'll .... my team mate.

Zarco needs to avoid the pile of crap that is the Rossi bike, looking at how aweful it is, how long before it seriously maims or even kills a rider.

danski · Nov 12, 2017

MichaelBolton said:
Maybe Tech3 will choose to stay with the successful early year chasis, Rossi doesn't have to mandate what chasis the satellite teams should use

You mean the one that only worked on high grip circuits? All the geniuses on here keep pointing the finger at VR for being unable to make a silk purse out of a sows ear, guess what, nobody can. Yamahas engineers are the true culprits.

JohnnyKnockdown · Nov 12, 2017

JPSLotus said:
Congrats to Dani for taking advantage of situation and winning the race, well deserved. Zarco hopefully will get that first win in 2018.

Overall great season, kudos to Dovi and Ducati for making it such a compelling season. Great work they put in. We got a hell of a year overall with so many nail-biting races. Perfect reason for why we watch this stuff every race weekend. I feel justified for all those late night races. Another season in the books. Been a blast as always fellas, hope everyone enjoyed it as much as I did.

How was it well deserved? He was on an alien bike surrounded by satellites.
For once he doesn't underachieve nor overachieve, he achieves to the bikes base performance and suddenly he's brillant.
The only thing he deserves is to be sacked.

Theo · Nov 12, 2017

Yamaha undecided on Tech3 2018 bike spec - Motorcycling - Eurosport UK

I expect he doesn't want Zarco to show him how to ride a bike :ninja:

JPSLotus · Nov 12, 2017

Keshav said:
Odd that Dovi - after a season of very consistently showing superior mastery of the Ducati, and taking big risks that paid off, sat so tamely behind Lorenzo for the whole race. It was like he was thinking, if MM doesn't crash, what's the point in trying? I don't really believe that, but it did feel like his heart just wasn't in it.

Almost had the feeling he was just out of energy in the race. Never looked like himself at all the whole weekend. I wonder if all of the stress finally caught up to him knowing he had to go up against a guy with the confidence of MM. I don't think it should be understated what the mental effect of MM's pole position lap was on Dovizioso. That had to be demoralizing to see him reel off a 1:29 and to see no one could get even remotely close to it. The mental drain doesn't get talked about enough.

p4p1 · Nov 12, 2017

I really hope Dovi and Ducati can back up it up year next year. With his form over the last half to 2/3s of the season it's possible we see a dominant year from Marquez as long as the Honda keeps its upwards swing development wise especially if Ducati don't keep making improvements.

I think Dovi's problems today were that it wasn't a great track for Ducati though they weren't not doing that bad until they crashed out and it's not one of his strong tracks. Dovi had a great year there's no denying that but he took advantage of conditions and/or tracks that suited the Ducati which is why he shared and when they didn't he couldn't stay close enough to the podium to not hemerage points when he had a bad race. He said it himself he was riding over the limit which is why he couldn't pass Lorenzo despite being better on the brakes. If he was in fact using Lorenzo as a reference it could also explain why he crashed out so soon after Lorenzo did as well.

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