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Listening to Michael Barthélemy talking with the commentators during the Valencia test.

He is not at all happy that Honda didn't do enough to help him keep jack miller in the team or in the spec of the machinery he got last year and will be getting in 2018. He said very plainly that this is the reason hey only have a one year extension with Honda and will evaluate mid year on who will give them the most attention.

I think that the stage is set now for KTM's satellite effort.

There was some talk 2 or so months back that KTM were also courting Tech3 as it is a given that when VR retires, he will get 2 spots if he so chooses and it was said that it will be Yamaha (although KTM were also said to be interested, it wast he VR + Yamaha connection that was said to win).

If KTM come through based on some of the talk then brilliant and I for one would fully support their efforts to upset the applecart as thus far they seem well committed which is a great improvement on some other manufacturers over the years.
 
Ah, I actually made an argument for my position. You, on the other hand present nothing but negativity and think that counts as something. Well, you are wrong. You said nothing, made no point and well, I am just bored and answering this because I am bored.

Hahaha... bored and apparently stupid too.
 
There was some talk 2 or so months back that KTM were also courting Tech3 as it is a given that when VR retires, he will get 2 spots if he so chooses and it was said that it will be Yamaha (although KTM were also said to be interested, it wast he VR + Yamaha connection that was said to win).

If KTM come through based on some of the talk then brilliant and I for one would fully support their efforts to upset the applecart as thus far they seem well committed which is a great improvement on some other manufacturers over the years.

I remember an interview from when KTM first announced their entry and people asked them what their goal is. They responded “To beat Honda”

Of course everyone laughed then, but not many are laughing now. Poaching a Honda customer team like Marc VDS would go some way towards making that (so will poaching Márquez, but that’s a longer shot).
 
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I remember an interview from when KTM first announced their entry and people asked them what their goal is. They responded “To heat Honda”

Of course everyone laughed then, but not many are laughing now. Poaching a Honda customer team like Marc VDS would go some way towards making that (so will poaching Márquez, but that’s a longer shot).

Given that it is reported that Michael Bartholemy is said to be pissed with HRC as they would not give him sufficient equipment which resulted in his losing Miller (who he apparently wanted to keep) which led to his re-upping for a single year, KTM may well be on the horizon.

The more serious manufacturers in the sport the better (but sadly, I wish that included more tyre manufacturers etc)
 
Given that it is reported that Michael Bartholemy is said to be pissed with HRC as they would not give him sufficient equipment which resulted in his losing Miller (who he apparently wanted to keep) which led to his re-upping for a single year, KTM may well be on the horizon.

The more serious manufacturers in the sport the better (but sadly, I wish that included more tyre manufacturers etc)

I for one would love to see MarcVDS go to KTM, it means that KTM is in the class for the long haul and in a perfect world we would 2 factory bikes and 2 satellites for every manufacturer. Aprilia is the only factory that doesn't have an interest in a satellite team.

I think it sucks for tech 3 that after such a long association with Yamaha they're going to piss him off if they're made to choose.
 
In recent times, Aprilia, Suzuki and KTM have all expressed interest in having a satellite team.

LCR was previously linked to Suzuki, that could happen again. Pramac is now firmly a Ducati B team effort, so I don’t think that will change

Personally, I would like to see a few less Ducatis on the grid. Especially when the bottom rung is 2 year old machinery.

For a wants every manufacturer to have a satellite team eventually. That’s good for the sport. More data means better development.
 
LCR are heavily aligned to HRC whilst ever Cal stays around and as they have just now gone to a two bike team (thus MarcVDS attitude I suspect ast hey probably have a few more pennies).

Tech 3 is the interesting one as a lot will fall if/when they make a move which all depends on what VR46 wishes to do as an individual and team owner. Personally whilst I could well be wrong I feel that DORNA and Yamaha will move mountains to keep the association but stranger things have happened and VR is a businessman so it may well come to the best financial offer to trade off his name - but he will want something competitive.

Every time Suzuki are in the main game they talk of satellite squads but they fail to deliver so I take their comments with a grain of salt at the moment but do not see why it can't happen although total entries will be an issue as the number is limited.

Ducati is where I see some seats being lost which will be a shame as they have invested tremendously in the sport by keeping years (not one year) older bikes available for riders but I could see some of their lesser teams being tempted.

As for more data, well if the data is a year old just how relevant is it to the long term benefits?

Sure, historical data can be a great talking point, as are comparisons (let us wait until 2018 with all the Yamaha talk as an example), but a one year old bike is not going to experience any great leaps in forward development as it has already been superceded.
 
LCR are heavily aligned to HRC whilst ever Cal stays around and as they have just now gone to a two bike team (thus MarcVDS attitude I suspect ast hey probably have a few more pennies).

Tech 3 is the interesting one as a lot will fall if/when they make a move which all depends on what VR46 wishes to do as an individual and team owner. Personally whilst I could well be wrong I feel that DORNA and Yamaha will move mountains to keep the association but stranger things have happened and VR is a businessman so it may well come to the best financial offer to trade off his name - but he will want something competitive.

Every time Suzuki are in the main game they talk of satellite squads but they fail to deliver so I take their comments with a grain of salt at the moment but do not see why it can't happen although total entries will be an issue as the number is limited.

Ducati is where I see some seats being lost which will be a shame as they have invested tremendously in the sport by keeping years (not one year) older bikes available for riders but I could see some of their lesser teams being tempted.

As for more data, well if the data is a year old just how relevant is it to the long term benefits?

Sure, historical data can be a great talking point, as are comparisons (let us wait until 2018 with all the Yamaha talk as an example), but a one year old bike is not going to experience any great leaps in forward development as it has already been superceded.


Yamaha has always maintained that they only want to supply 4 bikes to the grid (I can't remember, but I am sure the Forward Yamaha bikes only had engine and some parts, not the entire motorcycle), but it could change if they want to make both VR and Herve happy.
 
Yamaha has always maintained that they only want to supply 4 bikes to the grid (I can't remember, but I am sure the Forward Yamaha bikes only had engine and some parts, not the entire motorcycle), but it could change if they want to make both VR and Herve happy.

Herve said yesterday during the test he was told that Yamaha having 6 bikes would be very unlikely. I think that might change if they give Zarco a 2018 bike so they can have more data then running 2 satellite teams might be an option.
 
Thanks for quoting, essentially re-posting, my entire post. A tell tale sign you read every word of my posts is to deny it. You're not the first person who has used this lame tactic to avoid engaging in a point-by-point debate that you have no answers for my friend.

You had already told us Ducati's public statement, your answer is to post it again in a form of a link? You've never quite understood debate, but let me explain it to you, I'm calling ........ on their statement, then I've asserted reasons why. In support of my position I've also reminded everyone just how credible you are regarding some supposed insider knowledge of Ducati, which was essentially Ducati didn’t listen to Rossi and that's why they failed. Regarding your pulse on reality, I reminded everyone you aligned yourself with the great Rossi conspiracy theory of 2015. Basically, I'm pointing out you're insane. (Harsh I know, the truth isn't always pretty.)

But now we're supposed to look past this and give you credence that Ducati are not putting out PR statements to cover their public image? Because "you know they're telling the truth"?

Btw J4, after you're done reading my entire posts as you always do, understand something about a forum, what is written is also for other's consumption, it serves to refute and agree with other opinions being expressed. Which is why I said it's fascinating that many of the 'same' people who swore Lorenzo moved out of Dovi's way and 'lied about it after' Malaysia are now pointing to his statements as truth, I'm pointing out here their inconsistency, something like pointing out your ridiculous position on Ducati to now mindlessly accept you're some kind of authority on Ducati.

Like I said, I can understand why you're a bopper, you guys don't have too many national heroes, so when one comes along as flawed like Rossi, I get why you blindly support him, even if it meant having to 'tow' Uccio's conspiracy making you look rather silly. Until recently I had never heard you throw your support behind Dovi, though it was short lived. But I can understand why you believe Jorge Lorenzo's absurd claim that he could read Dovi's mind in real time during the race, "knowing" he was superior to the guy he was blocking, err I mean "towing". If only I could think of another occasion YOU 'believed' a rider "knew" he was superior to the guy behind him, and then said it publicly. You know, something of a mind reader during the race...

Funny thing about being drunk, I'll be sober in the morning, you'll still be stupid, buddy.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.

I've considered this more. I think you're right.

How on earth would JL know that he's towing AD? How didn't he know that he wasn't getting in AD's way? The answer is that JL couldn't know.

Read the exchange between Emmett and Oxley on Twitter. Clearly Domenicali is very pissed off, and clearly Oxley and Emmett have heard that, and clearly they're intimating that JL was being self-interested...

Oxley: "Lap times are irrelevant. A promise was made. A promise was broken. Have a chat with Claudio Domenicali about it [insert horrified emoticon here]."

Emmett: "What was funny was that it went from 'I will definitely help him at Valencia' to 'IF Dovi has a chance to win AND Marquez has a problem AND I am in a position to help' on Saturday...'.
 
It was stupid, it was lucky, and it was not an example of smarts and sure as hell wasn't admirable; most of all it shows he cracked under pressure! Oh yeah, that's right, he succumbed to pressure, his body language, looking back repeatedly, missing his brake marker, putting the bike on his elbow and riding through the gravel, that my friend is cracking under pressure! Much like some here are suggesting was the case for Dovi. Let's examine this absurd reasoning: Dovi was in the bin or win situation NOT Marquez, yet Marc almost binned and had to ride through the gravel and people are pointing to it like it's so wonderful. Dovi went for broke and binned it! Yet people are flaunting over Marc's heroics? The world has gone mad.


This situation is more subtle than Estoril 06, but as I said above, you got people saying the most insane ....: Lorenzo was helping Dovi, the championship was a foregone conclusion, Dovi wasn't going to win, bla bla. Then why have the race? We knew it was a hail mary situation, we knew it was a miracle proposition, YET people here, stunningly coming from solid members, perceived it's as done because the great infallible Marquez was in the drivers seat. Yet he almost crashed! Yet Dovi was in the lead group, that after a horrible qual. Yet Dovi momentary was just behind the two combatants disputing a win, one of which is known for aggressive riding. The miraculous was a real possibility! But what did Lorenzo vs Pedrosa do in this situation? Pedrosa thumbed the scale in Marc's favor all race. Lorenzo thumbed the scale decidedly against his teammate.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
Great points. It sure as hell wasn't a foregone conclusion. MM almost crashed, and then (I'm not sure if many caught it), ran off twice at Turn 1. He ran off twice at Turn 1, not just once!
 
I've considered this more. I think you're right.

How on earth would JL know that he's towing AD? How didn't he know that he wasn't getting in AD's way? The answer is that JL couldn't know.

Read the exchange between Emmett and Oxley on Twitter. Clearly Domenicali is very pissed off, and clearly Oxley and Emmett have heard that, and clearly they're intimating that JL was being self-interested...

Oxley: "Lap times are irrelevant. A promise was made. A promise was broken. Have a chat with Claudio Domenicali about it [insert horrified emoticon here]."

Emmett: "What was funny was that it went from 'I will definitely help him at Valencia' to 'IF Dovi has a chance to win AND Marquez has a problem AND I am in a position to help' on Saturday...'.

read:Team spirit, not team orders | Motor Sport Magazine

Oxley's take on ths.
 
I agree with Oxley. His views are well-reasoned.

I agree with most of his views in the article, however knowing him to have the bias he does (i.e. towards Rossi), I find it very hard to believe he would have the same attitude of other riders. Lorenzo has always been portrayed as "the villan' in most of the MotoGP press ever since he joined the top tier.

I looked through his article archive and couldn't find an article post Motegi 2010. But I very much doubt he'd have written a similarly scathing article about Rossi's antics in that race where he raced his team mate so hard, he physically hit him a number of times.

He isn't wrong in this case (He makes good points even if I don't agree with them all), but "Well reasoned" is not a trait I would commonly attribute to Oxley. The man who described Rossi's Aragon return as a "Lazarus style comeback of biblical proportions" yet made absolutely ZERO mention of Miller's broken leg return in Phillip Island, especially more newsworthy given he qualified on the second row, lead the race and finished 7th on a 3rd tier customer Honda.
 
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