Joined Jan 2013
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Joined Feb 2007
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Rovrum S,Yorks Eng
Award the Prize now and stick it behind a pay wall now put us all out of our misery.
if the Engine Rules hits the top 3 yams it will be a farce as a spectacle
yes other teams have the same rules but if you take those yams out / punish over a few races because of the engine situation its going to water the racing down
for sure come 2014 motoSp going behind the uk paywall and maybe the engine rule kicking in who's going to give a ..... about motoSp
if the Engine Rules hits the top 3 yams it will be a farce as a spectacle
yes other teams have the same rules but if you take those yams out / punish over a few races because of the engine situation its going to water the racing down
for sure come 2014 motoSp going behind the uk paywall and maybe the engine rule kicking in who's going to give a ..... about motoSp
I argued a while back that race simulations in an engine limited formula are a bad idea. The Yamaha riders, especially Lorenzo, are killing their engines by making them do 2 full race distances at full race pace. The Honda guys are doing only a few hard laps bookended by in and out laps and therefore taxing their engines much less as a high number are done at significantly less revs.
Joined May 2009
6K Posts | 4K+
Shovel's Club
elitemafia
Ben Spies will be blowing anyone he can to stay in motogp next year. Or is that his moms job?
Ben Spies will be blowing anyone he can to stay in motogp next year. Or is that his moms job?
One must have to start to conceed that Yamaha may have gone backwards a bit since 2012, Honda certainly have not. Jorge had clutch problems yesterday, Rossi had clutch problems at Mugello
Cals bike looks better sorted than both factory efforts each race, and apparently there is a design flaw in the engine which is once again causing heating issues....what a ....... reg this engine rule is
Cals bike looks better sorted than both factory efforts each race, and apparently there is a design flaw in the engine which is once again causing heating issues....what a ....... reg this engine rule is
"Cals bike looks better sorted than both factory efforts each race, and apparently there is a design flaw in the engine which is once again causing heating issues....what a ....... reg this engine rule is"
Absolutely agree Talpa that the engine rule is and always was stupid, has only done more to help Honda and has already actively harmed Ducati and required exemption for Suzuki. If Yamaha run out of engines mid-season it will make this season a farce, and if Dorna relax the rules again for Yamaha it will be further proof that the rule is a farce.
Absolutely agree Talpa that the engine rule is and always was stupid, has only done more to help Honda and has already actively harmed Ducati and required exemption for Suzuki. If Yamaha run out of engines mid-season it will make this season a farce, and if Dorna relax the rules again for Yamaha it will be further proof that the rule is a farce.
Joined Oct 2006
25K Posts | 4K+
Your Mom's House
michaelm
Hate to break it to u, but the series is already a farce. We cant do anything about the fastest man on a motogp machine returning to the series, but we can examine his reasons for some clues.
Ducati should have packed up and left the series at the end of 08, certainly after 09. Now theyre ....... All leverage is gone. They cant even tell Dorna to .... off and concentrate on Wsbk now. The rookie rule was eliminated for Marcy & HRC. What have Ducati got for their participation? Oh yeah, a detrimental egine rule given their "chassisless" design linked to the motor. Ducati must have slugs who assert their plight to Dorna. By now if HRC were in the same boat, they would have threatened to leave the series unless they get Bridgestone to give them special tires like they now give CRTs. Given there are only 3 manufactures, leaving them with 2 would be a bit of leverage. A bit, because its not like Dorna are shamed about anything.
Hate to break it to u, but the series is already a farce. We cant do anything about the fastest man on a motogp machine returning to the series, but we can examine his reasons for some clues.
Ducati should have packed up and left the series at the end of 08, certainly after 09. Now theyre ....... All leverage is gone. They cant even tell Dorna to .... off and concentrate on Wsbk now. The rookie rule was eliminated for Marcy & HRC. What have Ducati got for their participation? Oh yeah, a detrimental egine rule given their "chassisless" design linked to the motor. Ducati must have slugs who assert their plight to Dorna. By now if HRC were in the same boat, they would have threatened to leave the series unless they get Bridgestone to give them special tires like they now give CRTs. Given there are only 3 manufactures, leaving them with 2 would be a bit of leverage. A bit, because its not like Dorna are shamed about anything.
Joined May 2008
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Southern Aridzona - Hell's doorstep.
Mental Anarchist
Yamaha does dial the revs back quite a bit for the FP sessions. Their riders are usually shifting in the low 15,... range, nearly 1500 RPM shy of redline. I wouldn't be surprised if they drop a tooth or two from the rear sprocket as well, so as to preserve the rider's shift rhythm, and limit 6th gear revs.
Honda seems to have much more confidence in their engine's longevity. They do reduce practice revs a little, but only by a few hundred RPM. Low 16K numbers are pretty common.
Yamaha does dial the revs back quite a bit for the FP sessions. Their riders are usually shifting in the low 15,... range, nearly 1500 RPM shy of redline. I wouldn't be surprised if they drop a tooth or two from the rear sprocket as well, so as to preserve the rider's shift rhythm, and limit 6th gear revs.
Honda seems to have much more confidence in their engine's longevity. They do reduce practice revs a little, but only by a few hundred RPM. Low 16K numbers are pretty common.
If the championship gets decided by engine allocation penalties, I will be extremely disappointed.
Joined May 2008
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Southern Aridzona - Hell's doorstep.
Does anyone recall the rules regarding starting from the pit lane?
When, exactly, is the rider released?
After the last bike has passed:
A. The pit rider's position?
B. The pit lane exit area?
C. The entrance to T1?
D. Or?
Has anyone calculated the likely time penalty incurred at each track? When the subject came up two years ago, I seem to remember someone saying that the effective penalty was greatly reduced at some specific tracks. If Jorge could cop a new engine, then pick his way to a top-4 or so, the points loss might be offset by having a stronger engine for several following races. Then again, when contemplating such a course of action, perhaps the most important factor to weigh would be Yamaha's loss of face? Logic aside, could they bring themselves to do it without their chief engine designer first falling on his sword?
When, exactly, is the rider released?
After the last bike has passed:
A. The pit rider's position?
B. The pit lane exit area?
C. The entrance to T1?
D. Or?
Has anyone calculated the likely time penalty incurred at each track? When the subject came up two years ago, I seem to remember someone saying that the effective penalty was greatly reduced at some specific tracks. If Jorge could cop a new engine, then pick his way to a top-4 or so, the points loss might be offset by having a stronger engine for several following races. Then again, when contemplating such a course of action, perhaps the most important factor to weigh would be Yamaha's loss of face? Logic aside, could they bring themselves to do it without their chief engine designer first falling on his sword?
I seriously doubt we will see Jorge start from pit lane this season. 5 engines is absurdly low for a season of MotoGP....
Joined Jan 2011
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The North!
Yes, but Yamaha is a much smaller company than Honda. Honda has a bigger budget for their project.
Geonerd
10 seconds after green lights go on at pit lane exit. From memory, pit lane exit goes green after last bike has passed. There are some places, like Le Mans, where starting from pit lane is a nightmare. There are others, like Valencia, where you might just make it into turn 1 in first from pit lane. Which is why they added the 10 second penalty. I seem to recall that Rossi took a new engine at Aragon because the pit lane exit was favorably located.
