Who will win at Aragon

JPSLotus · Sep 20, 2016

AJV80 said:
its not a nice thing to hear about but it doesn't surprise me that some situations play out that way.

Its great to see Vinales still has the Suzuki team fully behind him, and that he is still trying his best for them in spite of leaving them next season.

Since both riders at Suzuki are gone at the end of this season, they have no reason to not try and support the one they've got who bagged them their first win since Chris Vermeulen rode for them. Mind you, I'm sure they have a moratorium on information by this point, so Vinales only needs to ride the bike now. Being that they were nice enough to not force him to stay another season, he has no cause for animosity towards them, so both benefit from any podiums and wins that come. Espargaro sure as .... isn't going to give them any of that.

AJV80 · Sep 20, 2016

JPSLotus said:
Since both riders at Suzuki are gone at the end of this season, they have no reason to not try and support the one they've got who bagged them their first win since Chris Vermeulen rode for them. Mind you, I'm sure they have a moratorium on information by this point, so Vinales only needs to ride the bike now. Being that they were nice enough to not force him to stay another season, he has no cause for animosity towards them, so both benefit from any podiums and wins that come. Espargaro sure as .... isn't going to give them any of that.

Yes, its good that he was able to part ways with no animosity and no burning of bridges. I am fond of the Suzuki team, they have made some good progress with the bike for only their second season back on a new bike, hopefully they can keep that momentum going forward. Its was great when Ducati won a championship, someone different than the usual Yamaha or Honda factory teams.

Ianonne also needs some credit, he has really pushed hard on the Ducati even though he was the rider the team had to let go. I'm sure that wouldn't have been an easy pill to swallow for him. Ducati also haven't seen to be favouring one rider over the other and given him the support he needs. Would love to see him do well at Suzuki, he is always a fun rider to watch.

AJV80 · Sep 20, 2016

I must admit I really do laugh at all the controversy surrounding Rossi and his magical tyres. But its all good fun and really does get me laughing. Villans, heros and personalities make the series more entertaining. How boring would things be if everyone hugged, complimented one another, wore rainbows and took turns at winning. I'm not bashing the guy up either, I'm actually a fan of his, a fan of Marc's and many of the other riders, I'm an even bigger fan of the sport itself.

I think Rossi can do it despite everyone writing him off, the below video is official leaked team Yamaha material on the technique and strategy Rossi will use to win his 10th championship title.

evo9 · Sep 20, 2016

So who of the standing riders will finish higher? Hayden or Lowes?

AJV80 · Sep 20, 2016

I'd say Hayden with his GP experience will get him over the line. Be interesting to see how Lowes takes to it though.

Motokitty · Sep 21, 2016

AJV80 said:
I'd say Hayden with his GP experience will get him over the line. Be interesting to see how Lowes takes to it though.

Hayden if Pirro is not riding.

povol · Sep 21, 2016

JPSLotus said:
MM is going to want to win at least one of the next 3 races as this is the start of the Honda circuit run. Let's not forget he crashed out last year in the opening laps, and I don't see him doing this again.

Extended forecast at Aragon looks to be sunny and to be around 30C/86F on raceday. We're still a week out so anything can change. But that's similar to Misano's weather. The winner is going to be riding either a factory Honda or Yamaha.

The characteristics of the Honda have changed so much in the last few years, its damn near impossible to predict how its going to do at any track. Used to be, the Honda's strengths were acceleration out of slower corners,Ducati like top end and braking prowess. Two of those attributes have disappeared and Honda struggles at formerly penciled in Honda tracks. Right now, every track is a Yamaha track. The Yamaha riders have thrown away one of the biggest bike advantages since the RC211V.

AJV80 · Sep 21, 2016

povol said:
The characteristics of the Honda have changed so much in the last few years, its damn near impossible to predict how its going to do at any track. Used to be, the Honda's strengths were acceleration out of slower corners,Ducati like top end and braking prowess. Two of those attributes have disappeared and Honda struggles at formerly penciled in Honda tracks. Right now, every track is a Yamaha track. The Yamaha riders have thrown away one of the biggest bike advantages since the RC211V.

I don't know the intricacies of what Honda have changed but I remember the 2014 bike that Marquez was unstoppable on, was awful at the beginning of 2015. He was unable to save it the way he could the previous year which was pretty important with his loose riding style. I may be incorrect, but the 2015 chassis wasn't as good or forgiving?? I know he was riding stronger towards the end of the year but not sure if they fixed the problem or went back to the old bike.

I have no idea what they have changed for this years 2016 bike but now that there are these new tyres in the equation and they have also taken a step backwards in the electronics department ... the bike seems a little hit and miss. I have no doubt Honda will sort this out quicker than any other manufacturer could but each track is a bit of a lottery as to which bike can make the under par tyres work best.

povol · Sep 21, 2016

AJV80 said:
I don't know the intricacies of what Honda have changed but I remember the 2014 bike that Marquez was unstoppable on, was awful at the beginning of 2015. He was unable to save it the way he could the previous year which was pretty important with his loose riding style. I may be incorrect, but the 2015 chassis wasn't as good or forgiving?? I know he was riding stronger towards the end of the year but not sure if they fixed the problem or went back to the old bike.

I have no idea what they have changed for this years 2016 bike but now that there are these new tyres in the equation and they have also taken a step backwards in the electronics department ... the bike seems a little hit and miss. I have no doubt Honda will sort this out quicker than any other manufacturer could but each track is a bit of a lottery as to which bike can make the under par tyres work best.

Everything has been a problem for Honda the last few years. If they luck up and win a title this year, i hope like hell they see it for what it is, an aberration that will almost certainly never replicate itself. They have missed on the engine 2 years in a row, 1n 2015, Marquez finished up the season on the 2014 chassis and the constant ....... tinkering by Michelin has left them guessing at tires.It is a damn miracle Marquez is leading the championship

p4p1 · Sep 21, 2016

In an article on MotoGP that I posted the link to on the RCV thread MickDoohan actually talks about the problems he faced with Honda and how he believes it's what is happening now.

AJV80 · Sep 21, 2016

p4p1 said:
In an article on MotoGP that I posted the link to on the RCV thread MickDoohan actually talks about the problems he faced with Honda and how he believes it's what is happening now.

That was a really good article, where he talked about how Honda developed the bike pushing for advanced engineering over building a bike the rider actually wanted. I have heard in many documentaries that Honda of the past often put the bike before the rider, hopefully they don't fall back into that mindset.

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