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What's it all about Vale?

Joined Oct 2006
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Living the dream in Scotland
I thought I would write down a few of my thoughts on the current state of affairs with a certain Mr Rossi. 


 


Where do we go from here? For a guy blessed with a phenominal ability to ride a motorcycle, and an incredidible career behind him, it's a bit of a sorry state of affairs. For me, Rossi could have retired at the end of 2009, he had fought back from loosing to Hayden and Stoner, and taken another consecutive title. But in 2010, the fly in the ointment had just got a lot bigger. It wasn't rocket science to predict that Lorenzo was going to be the next big thing in Motogp when he moved up in 2008. After a couple of years he was ready to take the title. Broken leg, or no broken leg, I and countless others agree that he was not going to take the title that year. It was Jorge's time, and Vale spat the dummy.


 


The move to Ducati was foolhardy at least. The only person who could win on the new Duke was a young guy whose name escapes me, but with dirt track experience, and the enthousiasm of youth, he could make it work. Or it would spit him off at the first excuse. But as his time on the red pile of ..... went on, the crashes were outwieghing the wins. (see what I did there?) The bike was going from bad to worse. Those of us who had been fans of Rossi since his days as an excitable 125 rider were sitting going what the .... have you done?


 


The first year was hard to watch, the second almost unbearable. I believe a young Rossi could have made it work, but in the later stage of his career, with his first serious injury behind him, it was soon obvious he had ...... up. Big time.


 


The return to Yamaha was not really unexpected. He still carries a lot of clout (and dosh) in the paddock, but 2 years on the pig, and the game had moved on. Gone were the days where to win you had to beat Rossi. Just as he had moved the game on, the younger guys had got faster too. One win, and a few podiums was hardly earth shattering. He spent most of the season racing with riders who you would not expect to be anywhere near him. He was beaten by a satellite Yam on the factory machine.


 


Sunday's race was not much of a show either, when Jorge was backing up the pack, his factory team mate should have been in the mix, showing Dani and Marc a wheel at the slightest excuse. Pressuring Marc to make the mistake that would keep the title with Yamaha. But he got passed by Alvaro ....... Bautista, then, when he got back on the pace, he was nowhere near the Hondas, so was going to have no impact on the race.


 


He has shown a few flashes of his former brilliance  this year, this would have been the race to put it all on the line, mix it with the Hondas and be Jorge's wingman. Maybe his ego would not allow this, or maybe he is just to far over the hill.


 


Cal, bless him, binned his Yam giving it everything in his last race for the team. I would have more respect for Vale today if he had done the same.


 


So, what's this all about?


 


.... knows, is he still racing for the love of it? Sacking the guy who has been with him from day one of 500s is a funny way of showing it.


 


The ball is in your court now Vale.
 
Great post pete. Next year is make or break for Vale. If he doesn't finish in at least 3rd, ahead of at least one HRC ( Dani ) he may as well pack his bags and .... off. That's face it, with only 4 real bikes on the grid finishing 4th is like coming last.
 
chopperman
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Great post pete. Next year is make or break for Vale. If he doesn't finish in at least 3rd, ahead of at least one HRC ( Dani ) he may as well pack his bags and .... off. That's face it, with only 4 real bikes on the grid finishing 4th is like coming last.


It's not even as if he was close to 3rd place. 
 
Garbin
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It's not even as if he was close to 3rd place. 


I tend to judge by championship placing than individual races, but yes he was a long way off 3rd in both. I will argue he did what was expected of him this year. Next year though needs dramatic improvement to justify keeping that seat.
 
Val is throwing it out there for 2014.  I think it was a mistake dropping JB, after 14 years no matter the language spoke between the two, nothing got lost in translation. 


My prediction, 2014 will be a carbon copy 2013.
 
L8Braker
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Val is throwing it out there for 2014.  I think it was a mistake dropping JB, after 14 years no matter the language spoke between the two, nothing got lost in translation. 


My prediction, 2014 will be a carbon copy 2013.


Personally i can't see you being wrong there, but if he does greatly improve will you still think dropping JB a mistake ? Will the fans start to think just maybe jb in some way was holding him back or will they try and attribute his success to something unrelated ?
 
JB wasnt holding him back, if anything he was helping him stay 4th of 4.



Anybody wanna take me up on bottle of premium tequila against a bottle of your premium national spirited beverage that Vale will be no closer than 4th next year? (Caveat, baring injury from top 4). Btw, odds would be in your favor, ive lost just about every bet ive ever made on powerslide. At the track however, im gold, right Arrabi?
 
Rog, if his results improve and Rossi does in fact contend for more podiums maybe another win, then it was a brilliant move no doubt about it.  The wrinkle to that; new fuel regs, so he'll be arsed to overcome that even if the bike feels better, so kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't.  I'm only making that statement from the heresay going around about Yamaha having trouble finishing races with the 21 litres this year.
 
Jumkie
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JB wasnt holding him back, if anything he was helping him stay 4th of 4.



Anybody wanna take me up on bottle of premium tequila against a bottle of your premium national spirited beverage that Vale will be no closer than 4th next year? (Caveat, baring injury from top 4). Btw, odds would be in your favor, ive lost just about every bet ive ever made on powerslide. At the track however, im gold, right Arrabi?


0k i'll have a bet. stupid bet on my part i dare so but hey. I bet Rossi finishes higher than 4th. bottle of woods for a bottle of Don Julio blanco. shake ??
 
Good post Pete. Much of this I agree with, I do believe however that at Valencia Rossi was not going to help Jorge, for being that close to the pack for a racer like Rossi to not put a move on is highly unusual, and he has put many great moves on this season so you can't blame this one on old age. No doubt, whilst they seem to have patched things up, a huge rivary still exists and Rossi has not been too happy about the front end of the M1 all season, Jorge winning the title does not bode too well for Rossi trying to get his old squishy stable front end M1 back again, which might not even be possible without different rubber. Whilst I enjoyed the battle on Sunday, 'Mr Safety' Jorge would have to go down as the biggest hypocrite in racing, absolutely disgusting.


What has also been unusual this season, which didn't happen even at Ducati, is Rossis race pace. This has always been his strength and has also usually been faster than his FP and QP. This year almost the opposite has happened at many tracks. This certainly points to age being the problem, Fuel, engine and tyres limits also contributing.


Rossi has now really built an empire around the VR46 brand, without him racing in Motogp, this company would have little meaning. He has become a slave to his legend, and as dorna keep taking it from Honda up the ..., his and his teams abilities are becoming more and more redundant, JB was the first casualty. Without some serious improvement next season, IMO it would be insane for Rossi to continue in Motogp.
 
chopperman
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0k i'll have a bet. stupid bet on my part i dare so but hey. I bet Rossi finishes higher than 4th. bottle of woods for a bottle of Don Julio blanco. shake ??


shake.
 
Jumkie
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JB wasnt holding him back, if anything he was helping him stay 4th of 4.



Anybody wanna take me up on bottle of premium tequila against a bottle of your premium national spirited beverage that Vale will be no closer than 4th next year? (Caveat, baring injury from top 4). Btw, odds would be in your favor, ive lost just about every bet ive ever made on powerslide. At the track however, im gold, right Arrabi?


Chopper should give you that bottle now, in all honesty I see him around 6th place, going on this years efforts.
 
Rossi was done broke end of 2010. why such a ex-champ would take a proven humiliating course beggars belief but he did that.


we'll its all about the money the Cash Cow. only thing with that is your on view to the public no hiding.on a 100% proven POS Since 07


 


did anyone really think 2013 yam was going to be any better. Give Cal that ride and he would have wiped the floor with him


anything Rossi has done good this year has had mishaps injuries helping his case


 


look at Assen first win in ages years in the planning and look at the old style win celebration he and the tuvosi fan club had planned


it was yes a big Nothing celebration. i expected something to show this is the old Rossi back to how he was.


it just proved where rossi is at, Sad to say the life, the spark, the smile, the fire, the racer, the take no prisoners,the antics died a while ago


and now its all set for 2014 the new crew chief and vale a year older


its set up perfect for end of 14 - the new crew chief has struggled taken time to get to grips with the yam and im too old now.


Thanks All Bye from Vale


 


Its been a good Ride 46 loved lots. not in recent times all the best you got a job on finding someone to take the Armada on. Ciao
 
the-insider
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Chopper should give you that bottle now, in all honesty I see him around 6th place, going on this years efforts.


All he has to do id beat Dani. Who else and on what could threaten the factory yams or hrc's ? This is basically a bet between Rossi and Dani. That means jumkie will find himself supporting dani next season. That has to be worth a bottle of Woods hahaha oh the irony .
 
chopperman
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All he has to do id beat Dani. Who else and on what could threaten the factory yams or hrc's ? This is basically a bet between Rossi and Dani. That means jumkie will find himself supporting dani next season. That has to be worth a bottle of Woods hahaha oh the irony .


 


You crafty .......!


I fcuking love it ;)
 
chopperman
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All he has to do id beat Dani. Who else and on what could threaten the factory yams or hrc's ? This is basically a bet between Rossi and Dani. That means jumkie will find himself supporting dani next season. That has to be worth a bottle of Woods hahaha oh the irony .


Stefan and Alvaro should have the better of him, Nicky should cause him problems, and Pol will be on a bike that got poles and podiums, take your pick.
 
the-insider
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Stefan and Alvaro should have the better of him, Nicky should cause him problems, and Pol will be on a bike that got poles and podiums, take your pick.


Bradl and Bautista were not much of a threat this season and doubt that will change next season. Pol will be interesting but i think he will have a slow start to the season. All eyes on Nicky and this proddy bike. Only time will tell as they say.
 
Isn't Scott basically getting the same bike as Nicky next year also? I can see him having some strong finishes also.
 

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