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Jumkie
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Rossi 250 champ: factory NSR500


Pedrosa 250 camp: factory RC211V


Lorenzo 250 champ: factory M1


Aoyama 250 champ: factory supported RC212V


Simonchelli 250 champ: "factory" RC212V


Bradl Moto2 champ: "factory" RC212V


Marquez Moto2 champ: factory RC212V


Redding Moto2 champ elect: CBR.1 glorified CRT


 


 


...oh and if you are good enough in a year we may revisit your situation, possibly give you a prototype bike, but I guess you need to "prove" yourself first.  Sorry Sloth, god I know i'm pulverizing this dead horse, even I'm getting bored with myself, haha.  


 


Why the stark deviation of awarding the middle category champ a  factory or factory supported machine so pronounced in this case?  Well, none of the other riders in that list had a high profile Spanish runner up that needed a competitive seat, given those seats were tightly limited.  I think this really represents and is indicative of the attitude regarding meritocracy in GP.  I know everybody is talking nice and all, but I consider this a disrespect to Redding.  And lets not rush to claim Bautista was under contract as we should recall it was revealed (an lambasted by Cal) negotiations for Pol Espargaro started very early in the season, where for Redding it was left to the last possible minute once all the seats were taken (forcing it to appear there was simply nowhere else for him to go).  Nobody believed in him or cared to consider him over a Spanish rider, and he is proving them wrong.  God only knows where he might have ended up had he been a Spaniard leading the championship, maybe on a factory supported M1 perhaps, haha.  Its this attitude that I think is prevalent and dictates much of the considerations for competitive seats in the series.  No, they didn't need to wait and see how the season was going to shake out, they already knew they wanted the Spaniard Espargaro, regardless.  Now you just watch, next year Pol should have no problem besting Redding's 'results' every race, then memories will fade and people will conclude the Spaniard is simply better than the Brit(s), and "deserving" of Rossi's factory bike perhaps.  The deviation of awarding the middle weight GP category with a solid prototype (factory or supported) machine is such a stark contrast from the normal pattern, that people should raise an eye and  take notice.  But I fear that everybody is so numb to this reality (.... look at the people who think I'm just a conspiracy theorist regarding the Spanish facilitation, arguing with me over flagrant dismal of rules for specific influential Spanish interests as if its ok) that they will quietly accept this, hell even Redding appears resigned to what has been relegated.  But there is hope for the Brit, as Carmelo loves to stick his filthy alien reptilian webbed hands on .... and force Redding onto a competitive machine, as I think its an embarrassment to the tightly controlled narrative of the series to allowed a Moto2 champ to be treated so differently.  It just looks bad for the League.  But then again, he might just say, ....'em, nobody is noticing and the sheepish spectators and "experts" keep towing the League's messaging.
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I cant argue with any of that, you are correct sir, but shinya is still a .....
 
Champion elect? 21 points in front with 7 rounds to go is hardly champion elect in Moto2. He's won what, 2 races?


 


I don't think he'll be complaining too much about the deal he has with Honda.
 
Sloth_27
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Champion elect? 21 points in front with 7 rounds to go is hardly champion elect in Moto2. He's won what, 2 races?


 


I don't think he'll be complaining too much about the deal he has with Honda.
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Espargaro could still win this season pretty easily, he just needs to start beating Redding. Nakagami on the other hand really deserves a GP seat next year as well. That guy is easily the fastest moto2 rider this year, just lacking in consistency. 
 
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How, the ...., does, Pol "fred savage" Espargaro deserve the Tech3 M1 MotoGP ride next year?
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Wise words Great Master.


Ok Scott is not World Champion yet. But lets just say he wins it....Pol is gonna hand him his ass next year at every race and that hurts me
 
Sloth_27
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Champion elect? 21 points in front with 7 rounds to go is hardly champion elect in Moto2. He's won what, 2 races?


 


I don't think he'll be complaining too much about the deal he has with Honda.
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you need to have another look at that
 
thedeal
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you need to have another look at that
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Yes, he is really on it now. But the contracts are signed and I still think his deal isn't so bad.


 


The real sticking point for me is Rossi - he is going to waste that Factory M1 next year.
 
Sloth_27
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Yes, he is really on it now. But the contracts are signed and I still think his deal isn't so bad.


 


The real sticking point for me is Rossi - he is going to waste that Factory M1 next year.
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Agreed, I know he is good for business, but he is meant to be winning races, and where is this sponsor he was bringing on board.
 
thedeal
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Agreed, I know he is good for business, but he is meant to be winning races, and where is this sponsor he was bringing on board.
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He won at Assen, been on the podium several times this season as well... Can't win them all. Probably has some tobacco sponsor behind the scenes, can't plaster tobacco company logos on the bike anymore though, Ducati still has Marlboro as a sponsorship for example.


 


This race for me was very good but the camera direction was very bad. Marc and Jorge are very close and they cut to Bradl riding by himself, then they show Dovi and Hayden and Smith battling it out and then they cut to the grandstands. I see some others here feel the same way about this and it[s very frustrating. I bet they are doing it on purpose so people by the multi-screen pack on motogp.com, but they aren't getting my money!


 


Jorge rode the wheels off of that M1. After Marquez passed him I thought ...., it's over. Then Marc went like 1cm too wide and Jorge put his wheels on the rumble strips and somehow got the bike to stick and turn and Marquez's jaw probably dropped to the floor after that incredible move.
 
Sloth_27
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Ah yes, the incredible ride where he beat his one armed teammate.
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And the rookie who's smashing them all now......rather ....... selective aren't you?
 
Talpa
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And the rookie who's smashing them all now......rather ....... selective aren't you?
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How the fucc is that being selective?  He compared your clown hero to another rider on the same bike.
 
Talpa
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And the rookie who's smashing them all now......rather ....... selective aren't you?
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Yeah it is selective. Almost as selective as picking out Rossi's one win of the season and suggesting it means he is still a contender.
 
Sloth_27
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Yeah it is selective. Almost as selective as picking out Rossi's one win of the season and suggesting it means he is still a contender.
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However you spin it Rossi has won a Motogp race, had several podiums and has always been top four-five in 2013, his 18th year in the top classes of world motorcycle racing.


At Assen he beat the field, including Marc who is currently the championship leader. The last time I checked winning a Motogp race is a big ....... deal, so you were being selective, simple.
 
Talpa
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However you spin it Rossi has won a Motogp race, had several podiums and has always been top four-five in 2013, his 18th year in the top classes of world motorcycle racing.


At Assen he beat the field, including Marc who is currently the championship leader. The last time I checked winning a Motogp race is a big ....... deal, so you were being selective, simple.
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Mohammed Ali won a lot of fights - but nobody wants to see him in the ring again.
 
Talpa
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However you spin it Rossi has won a Motogp race, had several podiums and has always been top four-five in 2013, his 18th year in the top classes of world motorcycle racing.


At Assen he beat the field, including Marc who is currently the championship leader. The last time I checked winning a Motogp race is a big ....... deal, so you were being selective, simple.
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It has been my observation that the virtues of a race win seem to vary with the identity of the winner.


 


I would actually agree that Rossi is still worth his place btw, and obviously that nothing can detract from his past achievements. Yamaha except for when Rossi and Lorenzo were team mates seem to have difficulties with providing equipment for their 2nd factory rider, and the current situation does perhaps partly illustrate why Rossi wanted to be in charge of development. I can't see anyone else doing better than Rossi on that bike currently, other than perhaps Dani and MM, and the bike might even suit the former more than the latter.
 

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