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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Oct 26 2009, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>WTF, i seem to have misplaced my enigma machine
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He's not that smart. I could have spotted him three more letters and he still would be in the dark.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Oct 26 2009, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>WTF, i seem to have misplaced my enigma machine
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Pinky took it; mistook it for an enema machine.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Oct 27 2009, 05:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Pinky took it; mistook it for an enema machine.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 26 2009, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There it is again. Always taking shots at the success of other riders. He won a title, why can't you appreciate it for what it was.
LOL, You ARE on drugs aren't you. Heavy drugs.
Please take a close look at what I wrote and point out anything negative. Then check your own words regarding spies in the SBK forum and check out what you wrote. You will find them very very similar.
This is in fact so F typical. I am more than a little tired of you, Junky and a few others assuming what I REALY try to say, and what ugly motives I must have.
I like Spies and think it was fully deserved title and he's been amazing this year. Is that good enough for you?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Fifth place was cruising, absolutely, but he got the job done and took home the number one plate. Although Rossi wasn't cruising, he wasn't riding out of his head either. Like I said earlier, had he been doing "more than enough," why was he so hesitant in the early laps? He rode smart and he took home the title, I don't understand what more there is to argue about?
No indeed, what more is there to argue about?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>True. Although with a visibly quicker pace than Lorenzo, I'd imagine he was more comfortable running in front of, and eventually away, from Lorenzo.
Have you ever raced in the wet? I thought not.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is if he was doing so much more than he needed to, why was he 20 seconds behind Stoner?
Because Stoner were faster?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I never said he did "just enough" or "cruised." I said he did what he needed to do. If you want to get into the semantics of taking X amount of points when Y are necessary to clinch, then that's your business. If so, Hayden did more than enough in 2006 as he had four points to spare. He could have finished Valencia in fourth rather than third. See how much fun nitpicking is?
Get off the drugs. We're not talking about what you might have ment to say. We are talking about the arrogant, known rossi hater Tom here. It was my reply to Tom you got yourself hooked on and that's what you are discussing in case you forgot.

And don't try the nitpicking stuff. The Valencia thing i '06 were so different that it is NOT comparable. Hayden started the race with a very different situation. He had to better Rossi with quite a few points. Starting the race aiming for third would be absolutely useless, and it was DRY.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 25 2009, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are you two serious? The man rides an absolutely great race, does exactly what he needs to do to win the title by finishing in front of Lorenzo (leaving nothing to chance and allowing himself to ride his race rather than following and focusing on Lorenzo) and you take offense to people telling it like it is? He didn't fight for a race win. Yeah, he closed in on Pedrosa but his getting pushed wide and waiting for everything to settle in the opening laps created the gap that he had to close. If he wasn't in championship mode, he would have charged through the field immediately and certainly wouldn't have been stuffed by Melandri repeatedly. Don't tell me he did "more than enough." He did what he needed to do to win the title. And hats off to him, he's had an absolutely fantastic season and rode a very, very smart race and had a great pace. Likely a pace good enough to win had circumstances been a little different. But that's the way it played out, can't we concede some credit to Stoner and Pedrosa?

Stoner was absolutely on another planet. Had he not backed off for the last handful of laps, it could have been a much larger margin of victory. Really interested to see what he will do at Valencia, he hasn't looked this fast since early 2008 or possibly even 2007.

Did I catch a smile from Pedrosa in parc ferme? For a second place? Really great ride for Dani and he seems to be putting a string of results together. If he can stay healthy in the offseason he might be able to put a solid package together for 2010 and make a run of it.

Lorenzo had a great go of it coming from dead last, just didn't have enough to run with Rossi. Or Stoner. He can hold his head high, he took advantage of Rossi's mistake all throughout the season and gave him an honest run. I don't think he'll have the same fortune in the way of Rossi making mistakes but with another year of experience and a bit more maturity, he should be in a position to challenge Rossi on a more consistent basis next season.

Happy to see Hayden make it through turn one and take a top five. Looked a fair bit slower than most on the brakes but his corner speed and exits looked as good as anyone's, except Stoner's.

Vermeulen should still be in the series. Simple as.

Hats off to Valentino for another title, truly the greatest rider I've ever witnessed. And as michael said, anyone who says that Rossi is done is merely attempting to convince themselves of that theory. The man is as fast as ever and looks to be having more fun than he's had in a long, long time.

I havent had time to go back and read this entire thread, so I've only skimmed a few of those I know have something to say.

To answer your first question, yes, they are serious. That's what is most amazing. So here are my to cents on the above: Rossi boppers--they're ....... crazy!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Oct 27 2009, 01:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Please take a close look at what I wrote and point out anything negative.

Ok here:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Oct 25 2009, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you want to check out "Just enough" it was done by it's definition in another championship today, but let's not spoil the results here.

That is negative you genius. You're not very good at hiding your anti-American sentiment. We know who you were referring to, no need to spell it out. But I'm always on your ..., and no matter all the stupid .... you say, other people notice it too and will call you on it. I just take particular pleasure on exposing you for an ......



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>This is in fact so F typical. I am more than a little tired of you, Junky and a few others assuming what I REALY try to say, and what ugly motives I must have.

No ...., that's because you give us reason to expose your inconsistency.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I like Spies and think it was fully deserved title and he's been amazing this year. Is that good enough for you?

Nice backpedal. You're good at this.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 27 2009, 10:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi boppers--they're ....... crazy!
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nahhhh.... what it is is them glass's..... i figure that they must leech out lsd & all those colorful designs rossi is always sportin on his helmet & leathers have subliminal messages encoded in them turning all wearers into the yellow army of zombies..... look out!!!....... legions of rossi zombies their everywhere!!!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Oct 27 2009, 09:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>nahhhh.... what it is is them glass's..... i figure that they must leech out lsd & all those colorful designs rossi is always sportin on his helmet & leathers have subliminal messages encoded in them turning akll wearers into the yellow army of zombies..... look out!!!....... legions of rossi zombies their everywhere!!!
Well it is Halloween season.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Oct 27 2009, 03:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Please take a close look at what I wrote and point out anything negative. Then check your own words regarding spies in the SBK forum and check out what you wrote. You will find them very very similar.
Because the similarities between what Rossi and Spies did on the day are plain for anyone to see. They both did exactly what they needed to do. Yet you sit here and try to explain why Rossi's performance was that much more impressive. Sure, based on Lorenzo's pace he could have finished well down the order but in that case he would have subjected to riding around with guys like Elias. I'm no great racer, but my opinion is that Rossi likely felt more comfortable by himself and in front of Lorenzo than amongst riders desperate for a result. Just as Spies felt more comfortable in front of Biaggi. Neither needed the place they were occupying, but they finished there anyway.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Oct 27 2009, 03:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Have you ever raced in the wet? I thought not.
No. Have you ever raced in MotoGP? I thought not. My experience as a wet weather rider is absolutely irrelevant as is your knowledge as a club racer. Everything you know about the technical aspect of racing at this level is an extrapolation of your experience, no different from me. My opinion of Rossi's pace and comfort zone is just as credible as yours.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Oct 27 2009, 03:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And don't try the nitpicking stuff. The Valencia thing i '06 were so different that it is NOT comparable. Hayden started the race with a very different situation. He had to better Rossi with quite a few points. Starting the race aiming for third would be absolutely useless, and it was DRY.
Sure, the mindset going into the race was different. But then Hayden had three-quarters of the race to calculate the math and ride smart. It's not as if Hayden didn't know what happened to Rossi. Pit boards are riders' friends (except JT).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Oct 27 2009, 11:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>nahhhh.... what it is is them glass's..... i figure that they must leech out lsd & all those colorful designs rossi is always sportin on his helmet & leathers have subliminal messages encoded in them turning all wearers into the yellow army of zombies..... look out!!!....... legions of rossi zombies their everywhere!!!
Rossi glasses dispense hits of LSD through osmosis... It makes sense. Now where can I pick up a pair!?!?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Oct 25 2009, 05:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Congratulations to Rossi. He IS the greatest motorcycle racer of all time.


Congratulations also to Casey. He is (when fit and healthy) the fastest motorcycle racer in the world today.


9 championships ,with 7 at the top level, is an amazing achievement. Rossi needs to celebrate his achievements, because ,not only are they impressive..........., they will be his last.
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Seemed fairly congratulatory for Rossi right? And some props to Casey for that outstanding performance, right? But no, check out Talpa’s response:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Oct 25 2009, 06:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Very funny stuff.......mainly patriarchal delusion with a little bit of common sense.......CS certainly isn't the fastest motorcycle racer in the world today, Sepang was great however, getting to the front early was his only masterstroke, with now spray to deal with he was able to clear off, VR postest the fastest time, and consistently quickest to make up more than 8 seconds on them even though his title was wrapped up with much less........

And they wonder why they, the Rossi-boppers, get slammed. Really, that was his "only masterstroke"? You say below you're just responding to "outrageous statements" (uhm, one like this?)
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Remind me, where did Rossi qual? So Rossi let everybody pass on purpose in the rain? Surely Rossi knows how hard it is to race behind "spray". (Talpa, you're no match).

When called on his ........, the ..... couldn’t even get the quote he was responding to correct (notice the obvious discrepancy):

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Oct 25 2009, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Did you not read what I was responding to???? Outrageous statements like 'CS is the best Motorcycle racer in the world today' and VR will never achieve anything else????

Does that look anything like what Bunyip said? Notice how he embellished what Bunyip ACTUALLY posted. Which was to say Stoner was the “fastest” [as oppose to "best"] (and even qualified it at that) when 'healthy & fit'. And him saying it would be his last, did you see the "blind guy" emoticon? (That means he was being factitious, look up the word clown). But no, Talpa, in his customary Rossi-bopper way skips all of Bunyip’s words then in true Babelfish fashion, simply makes up .... to argue about. Gaz pointed it out, and then we had an excruciating lame defense by Tapla & Babel splitting hairs what is actually the meaning of “fastest”. Well who won the ....... race? (You can start there with that ‘murky’ clue).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Oct 25 2009, 11:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>although Gaz you did get a bit wayward with that Fastest Rider stuff BLA BLA BLA...

Again, Talpa, you’re no match for debate, but like others, that hasn’t stopped you (or Babel) engaging in argument looking like idiots against the titans of deliberation (Gaz & Austin, Inc.). Jesus H Christ. This here is a small example of the Mindless Rossi-boppers digging and digging a hole. You might want to take a Chinese class, you boys are gonna need it when you reach China.

All this debate about how Rossi must be everything: “greatest, best, fastest, toughest, etc”. The Rossi boppers like J4rno, Talpa, Babel, & Co (real Rossi fans EXCLUDED, you know who you are, and are respected for it). The boppers never can leave well enough alone. You guys invented the arguments AGAINST (yes, if that was even possible) other title winners, but when they apply to Rossi, its: spun into suddenly ‘acceptable’, or simply if deemed bad, it didn't happen. The Rossi bopper (exemplified by your type of arguments) have made the sensible staples of championships into “bad” characteristics; such words like: "consistency" and "smart riding", "just enough to win", “adequate”, and “sufficient” had been turned into bad words. Now when they apply to Rossi, they talk themselves into circles trying to ‘disassociate’ Rossi with such “bad” words. Fact is, this is how championships are won, but ONLY when Rossi was defeated in 06/07 did they become so negative.

Now you little boys want to argue that Stoner was not fastest this last race, though he won by a country mile, so you boys resort to splitting hairs. So Rossi gets pole, or fast lap in a drying track, how many times have the Rossi boppers seen Casey crush pole or fast lap only to hear them say qual means nothing? Hahaha, this is just more talking in circles by the typical and lame Rossi bopper. Rossi wins a title, and in-between sucking his ...., you boys come up for air and feel the need to remind us how everybody else must be ..... Simply, can’t leave well enough alone. Oh and this cultic reflex is not contained to GP, as Babel now has to extend this extreme foolishness to other series by rubbishing Spies’ accomplishment in WSBK. Amazing! Ah, but when you’re called on BS we suddenly become ‘dubious’ or the time honored appeal to the absurd: ‘Rossi hating’. Haha, they can’t event see through the woods and realize ‘its about them’--the bopper, NOT Rossi! Poor children, they associated themselves so much with their hero that even when the chastisement is about them (as oppose to Rossi) they perceive it as ‘Rossi hating’. No morons, its about YOU, and your irrational need to perceive reality to include perfect ‘Deity of Rossi’.

<u>The rest of us normal people admire and appreciate Rossi's mastery of the sport but also know the man is human surrounded by humans—and the inherent flaws that come with this reality. </u> Notwithstading, its dense Rossi alter-boys like you guys who make it a debate over incidentals or generally accepted facts turned fiction. I don’t have the patience or eloquence of a Gaz, Michael, or Austin, so my approach may be a little more raw. And as much as I think the typical Rossi bopper on here is crazy, you’re probably the guys I would be having a few drinks with talking about all this .... in a bar. Sucks that you guys have so little by way of sound logic and clarity. Your grip on reality stinks. Otherwise, we could probably talk for hours with amicable disagreements. There are plenty of Rossi fans on here that you never see me arguing with because they don’t take this .... seriously like you fools. They cheer their boy Rossi, recognize he is great but NOT infallible. They exchange banter, present sound positions backed up with numbers, articles, or realistic anecdotes, poke fun, and wind up the Haydenites & Stoner fanboys; and its all good. Learn from them.

Here you go, so you guys don't get butt hurt
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and now for some comic relief...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nghiemlong @ Oct 26 2009, 05:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hi pinky,

You must understand that...
How cute, the two village idiots are talking to eachother. (Or is it Pinky talking to himself...again).
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Oct 27 2009, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>nahhhh.... what it is is them glass's..... i figure that they must leech out lsd & all those colorful designs rossi is always sportin on his helmet & leathers have subliminal messages encoded in them turning all wearers into the yellow army of zombies..... look out!!!....... legions of rossi zombies their everywhere!!!

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 27 2009, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Because the similarities between what Rossi and Spies did on the day are plain for anyone to see. They both did exactly what they needed to do.

Not quite the same. Ben hasn't won an international title before and I would say his season was more remarkable than Rossi's. Rossi's only real rival left town and that was that. There was no way he was going to lose his 4000th championship to anyone other than Stoner. Spies was under heavy threat all year and was a 80 point underdog on tracks he'd never seen before. Yup it was three times as important and exciting.

Rossi had no intention of winning this race or the one before it. But now that he has gained the title (again
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 27 2009, 06:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Because the similarities between what Rossi and Spies did on the day are plain for anyone to see. They both did exactly what they needed to do. Yet you sit here and try to explain why Rossi's performance was that much more impressive. Sure, based on Lorenzo's pace he could have finished well down the order but in that case he would have subjected to riding around with guys like Elias. I'm no great racer, but my opinion is that Rossi likely felt more comfortable by himself and in front of Lorenzo than amongst riders desperate for a result. Just as Spies felt more comfortable in front of Biaggi. Neither needed the place they were occupying, but they finished there anyway.
And again you draw conclusions on my behalf. NO THANKS Austin. First of all because you don't have a clue about what i think about Rossi vs Spies secondly because you construct non realistic alternatives where there are more logical alternatives you avoid.

I never meant or suggested that what Rossi did was much more impressive. However I do have some damned strong circumstantial evidence that Rossi hardly ever cruise in a race. Pace may drop when all hope are out but the competition instinct is too strong in him to slow down significantly. It's part of who he is and it's both a strength and a weakness. It cost him dearly at donington and indy but probably gained him a lot too.
Spies is a very different type of racer and as others actually guessed before race two he took a different path and rode just as fast as he needed to. You just go on in you denial and think I try to put anyone down but Spies' strategy is just fine by me and it doesn't lessen his championship one bit. I prefer the combination of passion and strategy of Rossi but that's also a large part of why I am a fan of him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>No. Have you ever raced in MotoGP? I thought not. My experience as a wet weather rider is absolutely irrelevant as is your knowledge as a club racer. Everything you know about the technical aspect of racing at this level is an extrapolation of your experience, no different from me. My opinion of Rossi's pace and comfort zone is just as credible as yours.

I thought I was the one supposedly putting Rossi on a pedestal but you suggest that these guys are at such super human level where my experience count for nothing? Hilarious, especially when we talk about generic conditions like this.
You go out and ask the 50 fastest riders in the world and ask them about wet vs dry weather racing.
As long as we use rubber without spikes wet weather makes for very unpredictable level of grip.
It doesn't matter how fancy tires or splendid riders they will all agree that wet weather riding raise the risk many times. But then again I suppose you just proved my point.

Finally, I'm not the one that sensationally suggesting that Rossi is the superhuman that comfortably set's the fastest lap in a wet race among the fastest riders in the world and still is well within his comfort zone. That's you Austin. In all modesty I can't imagine he's that much better than the rest, especially since he never really liked wet races. If you were right about that one I would have agreed that he was cruising and doing more or less exactly what he needed to do but even as a big fan I know he isn't that fast. But just go ahead and take over for lex as the big inventor and go on claiming credibility but I doubt it works that way.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Sure, the mindset going into the race was different. But then Hayden had three-quarters of the race to calculate the math and ride smart. It's not as if Hayden didn't know what happened to Rossi. Pit boards are riders' friends (except JT).

And because he knew Rossi dropped he should slow his pace to the point where he got re-passed by other riders? Then two riders crash between him and Rossi and he loose the championship again.
Hayden were truly the cruising caretaker, but he wasn't that stupid, in fact he isn't stupid at all.
Rossi on the other hand were miles ahead in points and others crashing out could not influence the standings as long as he stayed relatively close to Lorenzo AND it was WET!
You are making up ridiculous examples here Austin. and it truly sound stupid. Give it up, I know I will now, I'm tired of beating a dead horse.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Oct 27 2009, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You go out and ask the 50 fastest riders in the world and ask them about wet vs dry weather racing.
As long as we use rubber without spikes wet weather makes for very unpredictable level of grip.
True, there are innumerable variables, which are greatly increased by wet conditions, but actually - not meaning to sound pedantic - but most riders will prefer fully wet conditions, and obviously, fully dry conditions. Some come into their own in the wet, (ie Westy, KRjr, And reluctantly CV). All of those notional 50 riders will be fairly unintimidated by the wet - in view of the superb wet weather tyres developed today, and their super-human ability as racers. It is conditions in between that are so unpredictable and that they consequently dread, and in the absence of an intermediates are so dangerous. Donington this year, Colin cited as the most horrendous conditions he's ever raced in as opposed to some of the deluges we've witnessed in the past, in which a racer knows to avoid the paint, and to be on their guard for standing water.
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Oct 27 2009, 04:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>True, there are innumerable variables, which are greatly increased by wet conditions, but actually - not meaning to sound pedantic - but most riders will prefer fully wet conditions, and obviously, fully dry conditions. Some come into their own in the wet, (ie Westy, KRjr, And reluctantly CV). All of those notional 50 riders will be fairly unintimidated by the wet - in view of the superb wet weather tyres developed today, and their super-human ability as racers. It is conditions in between that are so unpredictable and that they consequently dread, and in the absence of an intermediates are so dangerous. Donington this year, Colin cited as the most horrendous conditions he's ever raced in as opposed to some of the deluges we've witnessed in the past, in which a racer knows to avoid the paint, and to be on their guard for standing water.
ALL riders prefer fully wet or fully dry. God do i hate in between, I won't even go out on track.....
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Oct 27 2009, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I never meant or suggested that what Rossi did was much more impressive. However I do have some damned strong circumstantial evidence that Rossi hardly ever cruise in a race. Pace may drop when all hope are out but the competition instinct is too strong in him to slow down significantly. It's part of who he is and it's both a strength and a weakness. It cost him dearly at donington and indy but probably gained him a lot too.
I won't argue about the dangers of the wet, that's obvious. But it doesn't change who's fast and who isn't. There are certain riders who excel in the wet because of a psychological advantage or by rain bringing some equity, but the fast guys are still going to be the fast guys. The fact is that Rossi had everyone covered this weekend. Of the riders in front of him, Rossi was the only man in the 2'00 range, he was more consistently in the 2'01 range than Stoner and Pedrosa and his 2'02 pace was metronomic in comparison. He waited for things to settle down before going about his business. I'm not discrediting his pace once he cleared off from Lorenzo. I'm saying he played it smart, did what he needed to do and rode a race he was comfortable with.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Oct 27 2009, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I thought I was the one supposedly putting Rossi on a pedestal but you suggest that these guys are at such super human level where my experience count for nothing?
And at this level, you think your experience counts for anything? We all understand the generals of riding fast. Some more than others. But not one of us can offer any insight into what these guys are doing to go so fast. If we could, we'd be out there with them.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Oct 27 2009, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Finally, I'm not the one that sensationally suggesting that Rossi is the superhuman that comfortably set's the fastest lap in a wet race among the fastest riders in the world and still is well within his comfort zone. That's you Austin. In all modesty I can't imagine he's that much better than the rest, especially since he never really liked wet races. If you were right about that one I would have agreed that he was cruising and doing more or less exactly what he needed to do but even as a big fan I know he isn't that fast. But just go ahead and take over for lex as the big inventor and go on claiming credibility but I doubt it works that way.
Look at the lap analysis from FP1, FP2 and QP and add it up. Rossi had the pace for this race, no one had his consistency. I don't have any credibility, this is a forum post not a press release. The credibility is in the lap by lap analysis provided by MotoGP. Rossi had the most consistent race pace, and that's a fact.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Oct 27 2009, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi on the other hand were miles ahead in points and others crashing out could not influence the standings as long as he stayed relatively close to Lorenzo AND it was WET!
You are making up ridiculous examples here Austin. and it truly sound stupid. Give it up, I know I will now, I'm tired of beating a dead horse.
Then you and I firmly disagree on where Rossi's comfort zone for that race was. Talk about wet weather all you like, the aliens, especially Rossi and Stoner, are always going to be fast. Wet or dry. And in dry conditions, Rossi had the race pace.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Oct 27 2009, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And again you draw conclusions on my behalf.

Translation: Initiate backpedaling sequence on my mark 3...2...1

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I never meant or suggested that what Rossi did was much more impressive.

Yes you did. But now you're backpedaling. Perhaps you realized your absurd folly. Or you're employing one of may previous copouts: "it was a translation thing" or "I never said that 'exactly'", or like here "I never meant to suggest". Well what do you mean Babel? You seem to talk, then get challenged for the ........ it is, then comes the tire but predictable, "well that's not what I meant." Well say what you mean and stick to it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Oct 27 2009, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>However I do have some damned strong circumstantial evidence that Rossi hardly ever cruise in a race.

Oh, I know about your "damned strong circumstantial evidence". I suppose you were standing at the track 50 meters away in the rain with an umbrella, right? So you know the show scoop. I imagine you must have "seen" with your own two eyes that Rossi's "throttle hand" released the gas. BTW, did you ever check out the difference in telemetry on TV between Rossi and Stoner, 16 laps to go is when they showed the meter. Explain away how Rossi's meter consistently showed him at full throttle before Casey. Oh but wait, your "eyes" are better than that pesky 'telemetry' meter.

BTW, did anybody else laugh reading that iron clad confidence in his evidence, read it again: "damned strong CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence" Hahahahaha. That's like saying, 'I have it on extremely reliable but often untrustworthy evidence that...." Hahahaha. Yeah, that is super dependable Babel.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Spies is a very different type of racer and as others actually guessed before race two he took a different path and rode just as fast as he needed to. You just go on in you denial and think I try to put anyone down but Spies' strategy is just fine by me and it doesn't lessen his championship one bit.

........ Babel, you compared it to Rossi and said he didn't "cruise" around like some other guy (you even didn't have the balls to come out and saying, know that you would get flamed. Well we noticed it, hence the fire). So now we are to imagine this isn't what you "meant" right? You said it clown now live by it. It was already quoted to you (.... you should know, you wrote the damn thing). But incase you forgot, here it is again:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Oct 25 2009, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Now I agree that he [Rossi] didn't push his maximum but non the less he did more than "just enough". To set the fastest lap on a wet/damp track against the best riders in the world can never be considered crusing and unless absolutly nesessary not something you do in the process of doing "just enough".
If you want to check out "Just enough" it was done by it's definition in another championship today [Spies], but let's not spoil the results here.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>You go out and ask the 50 fastest riders in the world and ask them about wet vs dry weather racing.
As long as we use rubber without spikes wet weather makes for very unpredictable level of grip.
It doesn't matter how fancy tires or splendid riders they will all agree that wet weather riding raise the risk many times. But then again I suppose you just proved my point.

This is a classic tactic. You try to say something accepted and then try to somehow say you proved a point? WTF, wet weather is "unpredictable"? Really? Oh, thanks Babel, I'm sure NOBODY knew this already. Who the hell is talking about this ....? The point you where trying to make is how Rossi did NOT just "cruise" around and you say he did "more than enough". As if to prove he is more than a man than Spies. Austin said and I agree that he (Rossi) did "just enough" and frankly that is SMART. Why or why do you boppers have to tell us that event when he is riding 'smart' that he somehow magically did more than that? Both Rossi and Spies did what they needed to do to preserve and win the title. Why can't you accept it? That is smart, and both these men did the SAME under the SAME circumstance under different weather. For the Rossi bopper, not only is it necessary that Rossi win the title, but its also necessary that he do it better than everybody else. God forbid that Rossi win on "consistency" like Hayden, or "do just enough" on the title clinching race. Newsflash, we all say Rossi's last two race, most of us saw Spies last to races, both men did what they needed to do to clinch the title safely, and now both are 09 World champions.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Finally, I'm not the one that sensationally suggesting that Rossi is the superhuman that comfortably set's the fastest lap in a wet race among the fastest riders in the world and still is well within his comfort zone.

Oh Really? Funny thing about a forum, the words you type stay there unless you edit them out:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Oct 25 2009, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Another way to see it:
- Rossi ended up with 16 points more than he needed to clich the championship
- he did the fastest lap in the race

Now I agree that he didn't push his maximum [sure sounds like your are "suggesting" he was within his "comfort zone"] but non the less he did more than "just enough".

Oops, did I type that?

Babel, normally the debate would end hear where you say "i didn't say that" then the video of you 'saying that' comes out. Case closed. But no, I know you won't stop here. Dig away buddy. Would you like a larger shovel?


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>You are making up ridiculous examples here Austin. and it truly sound stupid. Give it up, I know I will now, I'm tired of beating a dead horse.

See above for "ridiculous examples". You will find I've been quoting you Babel. Do you see why I make the distinction between you and other real Rossi fans? V. for example will give us lists, statistics, charts, pictures, all short of an exclusive interview with the rider, to make his point. You on the other hand are a typical bopper, you give us YOUR: "damn strong CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence!"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Oct 27 2009, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>However I do have some damned strong circumstantial evidence that Rossi hardly ever cruise in a race.
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I'm assuming you refer to me (Austin & Gaz have been the consummate gentlemen).

There was nothing "mean spirited" about my posts, this can be better characterized as an 'Internet ..... slapping' of the Rossi-boppers, hahahaha.
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Its all done for the entertainment value. Its like WWF, nothing is real. Once somebody takes it to heart or thinks this means anything of substance, then that's when they are done. It’s all fun and games. Lots of ........, but its something like a therapy session or an activity to let out steam. And in some RARE occasions, we actually exchange some insightful opinions and information.
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Its all good man. Frankly, I would much rather sit at a bar drinking bourbon/brandy (or whatever you drink these days) with Babel and Talpa (the forum rossi-boppers) than sitting with another yeahwho friend talking golf, soccer, tennis, or whatever dumb ... sport they are into. Seriously man, one of the best times I ever spent in my life was over a couple weeks with the ultimate ROSSI FAN. Remember all the fun we had at Indy? Well multiply it times three, and add over a week. Good .....
 

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