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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 27 2009, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>V. for example will give us lists, statistics, charts, pictures, all short of an exclusive interview with the rider, to make his point.
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Damn Jumks, if I could get that 'exclusive' interview… First question would be: "Spit it out, loud and clear, what's the trick? And don't you dare mess around with our heads!"

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 28 2009, 07:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Seemed fairly congratulatory for Rossi right? And some props to Casey for that outstanding performance, right? But no, check out Talpa’s response:



And they wonder why they, the Rossi-boppers, get slammed. Really, that was his "only masterstroke"? You say below you're just responding to "outrageous statements" (uhm, one like this?)
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Remind me, where did Rossi qual? So Rossi let everybody pass on purpose in the rain? Surely Rossi knows how hard it is to race behind "spray". (Talpa, you're no match).

When called on his ........, the ..... couldn’t even get the quote he was responding to correct (notice the obvious discrepancy):



Does that look anything like what Bunyip said? Notice how he embellished what Bunyip ACTUALLY posted. Which was to say Stoner was the “fastest” [as oppose to "best"] (and even qualified it at that) when 'healthy & fit'. And him saying it would be his last, did you see the "blind guy" emoticon? (That means he was being factitious, look up the word clown). But no, Talpa, in his customary Rossi-bopper way skips all of Bunyip’s words then in true Babelfish fashion, simply makes up .... to argue about. Gaz pointed it out, and then we had an excruciating lame defense by Tapla & Babel splitting hairs what is actually the meaning of “fastest”. Well who won the ....... race? (You can start there with that ‘murky’ clue).



Again, Talpa, you’re no match for debate, but like others, that hasn’t stopped you (or Babel) engaging in argument looking like idiots against the titans of deliberation (Gaz & Austin, Inc.). Jesus H Christ. This here is a small example of the Mindless Rossi-boppers digging and digging a hole. You might want to take a Chinese class, you boys are gonna need it when you reach China.

All this debate about how Rossi must be everything: “greatest, best, fastest, toughest, etc”. The Rossi boppers like J4rno, Talpa, Babel, & Co (real Rossi fans EXCLUDED, you know who you are, and are respected for it). The boppers never can leave well enough alone. You guys invented the arguments AGAINST (yes, if that was even possible) other title winners, but when they apply to Rossi, its: spun into suddenly ‘acceptable’, or simply if deemed bad, it didn't happen. The Rossi bopper (exemplified by your type of arguments) have made the sensible staples of championships into “bad” characteristics; such words like: "consistency" and "smart riding", "just enough to win", “adequate”, and “sufficient” had been turned into bad words. Now when they apply to Rossi, they talk themselves into circles trying to ‘disassociate’ Rossi with such “bad” words. Fact is, this is how championships are won, but ONLY when Rossi was defeated in 06/07 did they become so negative.

Now you little boys want to argue that Stoner was not fastest this last race, though he won by a country mile, so you boys resort to splitting hairs. So Rossi gets pole, or fast lap in a drying track, how many times have the Rossi boppers seen Casey crush pole or fast lap only to hear them say qual means nothing? Hahaha, this is just more talking in circles by the typical and lame Rossi bopper. Rossi wins a title, and in-between sucking his ...., you boys come up for air and feel the need to remind us how everybody else must be ..... Simply, can’t leave well enough alone. Oh and this cultic reflex is not contained to GP, as Babel now has to extend this extreme foolishness to other series by rubbishing Spies’ accomplishment in WSBK. Amazing! Ah, but when you’re called on BS we suddenly become ‘dubious’ or the time honored appeal to the absurd: ‘Rossi hating’. Haha, they can’t event see through the woods and realize ‘its about them’--the bopper, NOT Rossi! Poor children, they associated themselves so much with their hero that even when the chastisement is about them (as oppose to Rossi) they perceive it as ‘Rossi hating’. No morons, its about YOU, and your irrational need to perceive reality to include perfect ‘Deity of Rossi’.

<u>The rest of us normal people admire and appreciate Rossi's mastery of the sport but also know the man is human surrounded by humans—and the inherent flaws that come with this reality. </u> Notwithstading, its dense Rossi alter-boys like you guys who make it a debate over incidentals or generally accepted facts turned fiction. I don’t have the patience or eloquence of a Gaz, Michael, or Austin, so my approach may be a little more raw. And as much as I think the typical Rossi bopper on here is crazy, you’re probably the guys I would be having a few drinks with talking about all this .... in a bar. Sucks that you guys have so little by way of sound logic and clarity. Your grip on reality stinks. Otherwise, we could probably talk for hours with amicable disagreements. There are plenty of Rossi fans on here that you never see me arguing with because they don’t take this .... seriously like you fools. They cheer their boy Rossi, recognize he is great but NOT infallible. They exchange banter, present sound positions backed up with numbers, articles, or realistic anecdotes, poke fun, and wind up the Haydenites & Stoner fanboys; and its all good. Learn from them.

Here you go, so you guys don't get butt hurt
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Well done King .... (Its on your head BTW)!!! Its amazing you can still type with the amount of .... that's engulfing your keyboard filtering from your every orifice!!!

You must be still pissed, or that Tequila is a really bad batch........so are you the bopper police here or what? I can send you a badge?

BTW I don't have much time to discuss other riders only because It's so time consuming (and easy) to ridicule the CS boppers who are constantly shitting on VR, but of course the little I do you of course don't acknowledge, I suspect for reasons like you need to somehow constantly try to internet bully to compensate for a little .....!!! Why do you bother with this ...........really?

Gaz, one of your make believe 'Titans of Deliberation', actually agreed with most of my points, and elaborated quite well on my CV stuff......who looks like a .... now? oh yeah-you again.....read the thread!

And and how can someone like yourself say on one hand you respect and admire VR's mastery of the sport, while not too long ago you are sprouting, how he couldn't win anything with his superior equipment?????!!!!! That doesn't sound like mastery of the sport to me. I suggest a tad bit of mental instability here, delusion maybe.........oh yeah, its you, I forgot. Me thinks its you who has lost touch with reality and your need to continue to make futile attempts at dissecting/ridiculing Rossi fans argument is affecting your better judgment.

So what about Bunyips, 'Rossi will never win anything again' comment, no mention of that above, you are very selective aren't you.....and Gaz started the 'Fastest' debate.......once again read before you dig.......actually, don't, this is too much fun!

Don't get too hurt mate, its all ..... and giggles after all........
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Oct 28 2009, 06:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So what about Bunyips, 'Rossi will never win anything again' comment, no mention of that above, you are very selective aren't you.....and Gaz started the 'Fastest' debate.......once again read before you dig.......actually, don't, this is too much fun!

Wrong.

Bunyip mentioned 'fastest' to which you replied with CS certainly isn't the fastest motorcycle racer in the world today and VR postest the fastest time, and consistently quickest to make up more than 8 seconds on them (both cut from context).

Thence, in reply to a post by MichaelM you use the comment 'Outrageous statements like CS is the best Motorcycle racer in the world today' .

Now is where I came in with the comment The actual line used by Bunyip to which you responded does not allude to Stoner being the best, but says the fastest, so to play pedantics being the fastest does not automatically make one the best.

I then went on to say that IMO Stoner can produce a lap faster than Rossi (and did state that in 2009 the frequency of this has lessenned), but that Rossi can produce more consistently fast laps than can Stoner (or the other contenders).

See, it is actually you who seem to have either aligned or mis-aligned (point of view) the comment from Bunyip as meaning that Fastest = Best (admittedly V had initial confusion).

So again, the Fast, Faster, Fastest argument, discussion was not started by me at all (although I did perpetuate it by confusing you with my comments of Fast Lap not equaling Fastest etc) as the events outlined about in chronological order would show.






Gaz
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Oct 28 2009, 05:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Damn Jumks, if I could get that ‘exclusive’ interview… First question would be: “Spit it out, load and clear, what’s the trick? And don’t you dare mess around with our heads!”

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BS V and you know it.

Your first question would be 'can you sign this please, its for my nephew not me, honest'
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Gaz
 
Sorry about the following mangling of metaphors and imagery......but.......

Here I am back in the pavillion padded up and ready to face Talpa coming in with his planned "bouncer", but more likely a "wide", but I cant get out there because Gaz and Jumkie are about to get 300 for their partnership, and with no sign of getting out. Talpas getting tired out there in the midday sun and no sign of drinks coming. (Apologies to non Aussies and Brits- cricketting terms)......and I,m not even a great fan of cricket, but was searching for a colourful analogy!

Anyway thanks fellas ; I,m chuffed to have two of my heroes doing my work on my behalf. Very soon I,ll have to get out there and defend myself, but it seems somewhat unnecessary when others are doing a better job than I could (?)

I went fishing and caught a Talpa ( recently discovered variety of trout?)........tried to catch a Rogerchop( deep sea Barracuda) , but it seems to be doing a good job of eluding me for now
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C,mon fella's.......give me my turn!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Oct 28 2009, 08:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>C,mon fella's.......give me my turn!

Well you ask so nicely, and use all the cricketing metaphors without once saying '2 for 22' (another one for the cricket people), so for you I hereby retire from the innings.

You're in.



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Gaz
 
I'll step in because we still have a fort's night to go…

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Oct 25 2009, 06:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Congratulations also to Casey. He is (when fit and healthy) the fastest motorcycle racer in the world today.



9 championships ,with 7 at the top level, is an amazing achievement. Rossi needs to celebrate his achievements, because ,not only are they impressive..........., they will be his last.

A bit of a Twist here? No? So the factual tables from MotoGP:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Oct 26 2009, 12:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'><u>Poles up to Sepang</u>

Rossi 7, Lorenzo 5, Stoner 2, Pedrosa 2:



<u>Fastest Laps up to Sepang</u>

Rossi 6, Pedrosa 4, Lorenzo 4, Stoner 2:

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<u>Podiums up to Sepang</u>

Rossi 12, Lorenzo 11, Pedrosa 10, Stoner 8:

Sepang%202009%20-%20Podiums.jpg


Of course Gaz and I also had the 'Fastest in One Lap' that got down to 'Fastest in One Sprint' from Pedrosa (349 km / hr).

So even if we gave out Stoner 3 Poles, 3 Fastest Laps and 3 Podiums, still would not catch Rossi's numbers on being Fast. Unless we deduct some numbers from Rossi at the same time, but come on, it would be asking too much.

So the 'Twisty' back there by Bunyip (nothing personal) was what started it I think. It's all cool because it is part of discussions, we are all bros!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Oct 28 2009, 01:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>BS V and you know it.

Your first question would be 'can you sign this please, its for my nephew not me, honest'
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Gaz

My nephew really would like that autographed Jetski… Oh sorry, I forgot to tell you he just got a new one, I just lend him the money!
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Ya'll are crazy, this is the first time in a long time a watched from the sideline on one of these pissing contest(i love this site
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). You all are arguing over who is the fastest on a bike? Well my bet is Usain Bolt, but I really don't know if he has set foot over a bike before. What a ridicules argument, the fastest guy on the bike is the person who won the championship. And that is??? Say it with me stoners" Valentino Rossi!" Now if you want to talk individual tracks we can argue them all day, but we have the off-season for that. Instead stoner fans you should be focusing on the pit in your stomach of what could of been if your favorite rider wasn't so frail. So start arguments over speed or talk about cs's ability to ride a bike while it looks like a beached dolphin flopping around in the sand. But we the rossi fans will be singing" we are the champions, no time for losers cause we are the champions of the wwwooorrrrrlllllllldddddd."
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Oct 27 2009, 10:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sure I'll jump in.


Not quite the same. Ben hasn't won an international title before and I would say his season was more remarkable than Rossi's. Rossi's only real rival left town and that was that. There was no way he was going to lose his 4000th championship to anyone other than Stoner. Spies was under heavy threat all year and was a 80 point underdog on tracks he'd never seen before. Yup it was three times as important and exciting.

Rossi had no intention of winning this race or the one before it. But now that he has gained the title (again
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Sour grapes from a well documented rossi hater
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Oct 27 2009, 09:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Damn Jumks, if I could get that ‘exclusive’ interview… First question would be: “Spit it out, load and clear, what’s the trick? And don’t you dare mess around with our heads!”

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I guess I know where your mind's at you sick ........
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Oct 28 2009, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I guess I know where your mind's at you sick ........
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We are not all visiting Honk Kong’s gay .... Shinya... As a mate of yours must be!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Oct 29 2009, 01:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ya'll are crazy, this is the first time in a long time a watched from the sideline on one of these pissing contest(i love this site
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). You all are arguing over who is the fastest on a bike? Well my bet is Usain Bolt, but I really don't know if he has set foot over a bike before. What a ridicules argument, the fastest guy on the bike is the person who won the championship. And that is??? Say it with me stoners" Valentino Rossi!" Now if you want to talk individual tracks we can argue them all day, but we have the off-season for that. Instead stoner fans you should be focusing on the pit in your stomach of what could of been if your favorite rider wasn't so frail. So start arguments over speed or talk about cs's ability to ride a bike while it looks like a beached dolphin flopping around in the sand. But we the rossi fans will be singing" we are the champions, no time for losers cause we are the champions of the wwwooorrrrrlllllllldddddd."
+1

Exactly my point, though the losers tend to argue technicalities which makes even bigger sore losers of them,

Bunyip your carrying the drinks here mate, gaz is in commentary stats and jum, well he's brought a baseball bat to a test match!!

And my line and length are great with plenty of short ones!!
 
Stoner is the new track god, afflicted with inbuilt weaknesses. Post-viral fatigue is his achilles heal , and his scaphoid is Samson with a haircut. Will he overcome these hurdles? The last few races suggest Yes, but 2010 is another year.

Rossi is the one with the proven track record, the one that is durable and track-savvy, the one that can still pull out a world championship whilst being harried by the young challengers that grow ever stronger. But he will not be able to hold the tide back much longer, as Casey and Jorge are riding a king tide in and nothing will stop them in the near future.
Rossi is the past and present ,but not the future of the sport. He has proven enough already. There is no more that he needs to do. He doesn,t like fighting his teammate on equal equipment , so why would he ever consider challenging Stoner on the same bike. He would never do it, because he would risk diminishing his reputation. Suppo calls Stoner the fastest rider today, so why would Ducati hire Rossi and demote Casey to no 2 rider. It will never happen.........

I would love to see them both on Ducatis, but it would get really ugly for Rossi-san, Of that I have no doubt. The gloss from his reputation will be forever tarnished. Great ,but not good enough against the young assasin, the throttle control king, the wet track wunderkind.

Poor light,wet pitch........time to go home Talpa.........youve been batting for hours , but haven,t connected once yet. Try lawn bowls
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So, dear disappointed haters, in a nutshell your final argument against Valentino Rossi is that he's not immortal, and that younger champions will eventually get the upper hand thanks to the immutable laws of aging. Great...
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I'm afraid you'll have to postpone your hopes of Lorenzo beating VR46 on the same machinery for another year... This year the "old" champion has beaten his young and strong teammate, fair and square. I know, it hurts, but don't get too despondent! You can always forward your desires to year 2010 and wait in ambush with your fingers crossed
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Hope, hope and wait... I have confidently predicted that Jorge Lorenzo will never beat Valentino Rossi for a championship on the same machinery. Like it or not, this year my score is 1-0, and next year it will be 2-0
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The only possible heir of Rossi among the current top-4 MotoGP riders is Casey Stoner. Jumkie calls me a "Rossi bopper"
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convenientely forgetting that Stoner is in my favorite riders list since before he won his first title in 2007. Facts are facts, ignoring them will not make them disappear
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Oct 29 2009, 09:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hope, hope and wait... I have confidently predicted that Jorge Lorenzo will never beat Valentino Rossi for a championship on the same machinery. Like it or not, this year my score is 1-0, and next year it will be 2-0
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The only possible heir of Rossi among the current top-4 MotoGP riders is Casey Stoner. Jumkie calls me a "Rossi bopper"
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convenientely forgetting that Stoner is in my favorite riders list since before he won his first title in 2007. Facts are facts, ignoring them will not make them disappear
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I don't think lorenzo will beat rossi for the world championship period.

Have you heard anything at all about the ducati GP10? Apart from darryl beattie's revelation about the possible engine philosophy change there do not seem to even be rumours about it as opposed to the carbon fibre GP09 which they were trialling mid season in 2008. Come to think of it, there has not been much said about anything new for the other bikes either.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 29 2009, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think lorenzo will beat rossi for the world championship period.

Have you heard anything at all about the ducati GP10? Apart from darryl beattie's revelation about the possible engine philosophy change there do not seem to even be rumours about it as opposed to the carbon fibre GP09 which they were trialling mid season in 2008. Come to think of it, there has not been much said about anything new for the other bikes either.
with the testing bans and reduced $'s for everyone, i would have thought that this would be the worst time possible to go for a radical redesign. IMO everyone is/should be working on an evolution of what they already have as opposed to a completely new machine. I know that they have test riders who can clock up countless miles on test tracks but at the end of the day, without the gp riders testing on a gp circuit at gp pace with official race tyres, its all a bit of a gamble. thats not what you want to be basing your 2010 season on when the top 4 riders will all be looking for a competitive team in 2011....

or not!


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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Oct 29 2009, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>with the testing bans and reduced $'s for everyone, i would have thought that this would be the worst time possible to go for a radical redesign. IMO everyone is/should be working on an evolution of what they already have as opposed to a completely new machine. I know that they have test riders who can clock up countless miles on test tracks but at the end of the day, without the gp riders testing on a gp circuit at gp pace with official race tyres, its all a bit of a gamble. thats not what you want to be basing your 2010 season on when the top 4 riders will all be looking for a competitive team in 2011....

or not!


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I think you are right. Developments for this year's bikes were well in train before either the financial problems or the testing bans. The testing bans may actually genuinely cut costs by this mechanism, of slowing development. You do wonder as has been speculated whether a new formula is in the offing though.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 29 2009, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think you are right. Developments for this year's bikes were well in train before either the financial problems or the testing bans. The testing bans may actually genuinely cut costs by this mechanism, of slowing development. You do wonder as has been speculated whether a new formula is in the offing though.
i really hope so, this formula is fatally flawed. even the riders say so and that is enough weight of opinion for me!
 

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