Sepang Race Thread

[chopperman]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Oct 29 2009, 01:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner is the new track god, afflicted with inbuilt weaknesses. Post-viral fatigue is his achilles heal , and his scaphoid is Samson with a haircut.

That's a contradiction in terms

 

[MdubSTYLIE]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Oct 28 2009, 09:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner is the new track god, afflicted with inbuilt weaknesses. Post-viral fatigue is his achilles heal , and his scaphoid is Samson with a haircut. Will he overcome these hurdles? The last few races suggest Yes, but 2010 is another year.

Rossi is the one with the proven track record, the one that is durable and track-savvy, the one that can still pull out a world championship whilst being harried by the young challengers that grow ever stronger. But he will not be able to hold the tide back much longer, as Casey and Jorge are riding a king tide in and nothing will stop them in the near future.
Rossi is the past and present ,but not the future of the sport. He has proven enough already. There is no more that he needs to do. He doesn,t like fighting his teammate on equal equipment , so why would he ever consider challenging Stoner on the same bike. He would never do it, because he would risk diminishing his reputation. Suppo calls Stoner the fastest rider today, so why would Ducati hire Rossi and demote Casey to no 2 rider. It will never happen.........

I would love to see them both on Ducatis, but it would get really ugly for Rossi-san, Of that I have no doubt. The gloss from his reputation will be forever tarnished. Great ,but not good enough against the young assasin, the throttle control king, the wet track wunderkind.

Poor light,wet pitch........time to go home Talpa.........youve been batting for hours , but haven,t connected once yet. Try lawn bowls

<<<pinch hits for talpa>>>>>
I feel like I just read the back of the box of a really ...... movie. Didn't your mother tell you about santa claus, the tooth fairy, god, and the easter bunny when you were young? I don't want to be the one to break your poor spirit. Besides like rog pointed out, who wants a god afflicted with built in weaknesses.

Can we just play baseball guys I dont know what the .... is going on anymore. Am I up again or what????

 

[babelfish]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 27 2009, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ok here:

That is negative you genius. You're not very good at hiding your anti-American sentiment. We know who you were referring to, no need to spell it out. But I'm always on your ..., and no matter all the stupid .... you say, other people notice it too and will call you on it. I just take particular pleasure on exposing you for an ......

No it's not. The words are not negatively charged and there is nothing in it that should be interpreted as negative. But certainly for a guy that has been attacking Rossi fans because Rossi supposedly would be cruising in and thinking too much about the championship I have no doubt that it is negative. After all you really worked hard to make us look like fools after the critics of haydens cruising in '06.

So sorry J. It's all in your head. Especially my "anti-American sentiment" is really amusing.
But then again I've hardly ever met any as self righteous as you are.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>No ...., that's because you give us reason to expose your inconsistency.
Pffft. You wouldn't know an inconcistency if it hit you in the head.
You present yourself as the white knight exposing the Rossi boopers for what they are but in truth your agenda seems to be to make sure Rossi get as little praise as possible and as much critics as possible, any description of the rest of the riders are just instrumental in that goal, except one of course, your beloved Hayden.
Funny thing is that I do believe you when you say you don't hate Rossi, so if it's not him it must be his fans.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Nice backpedal. You're good at this.

That's a good one. I hoped it wouldn't take long to show exactly who is consistent and not but the same post?

That's a lot to ask for even from you.
When being consistent by putting nothing negative into the fact that Spies took it easy in race two and by praising him for his fantastic season, I am instead considered first being inconsistent and then backpedaling. As I said, there's a few of you who really make an effort to figure out what I "really" meant and desperately trying to expose that. Very girlish if you ask me. Not to mention how inconsistent you look. It could just be that I simply write my expression straight out, has that ever occurred? Thought not.

 

[Talpa]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Oct 29 2009, 11:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner is the new track god, afflicted with inbuilt weaknesses. Post-viral fatigue is his achilles heal , and his scaphoid is Samson with a haircut. Will he overcome these hurdles? The last few races suggest Yes, but 2010 is another year.

Rossi is the one with the proven track record, the one that is durable and track-savvy, the one that can still pull out a world championship whilst being harried by the young challengers that grow ever stronger. But he will not be able to hold the tide back much longer, as Casey and Jorge are riding a king tide in and nothing will stop them in the near future.
Rossi is the past and present ,but not the future of the sport. He has proven enough already. There is no more that he needs to do. He doesn,t like fighting his teammate on equal equipment , so why would he ever consider challenging Stoner on the same bike. He would never do it, because he would risk diminishing his reputation. Suppo calls Stoner the fastest rider today, so why would Ducati hire Rossi and demote Casey to no 2 rider. It will never happen.........
Poor light,wet pitch........time to go home Talpa.........youve been batting for hours , but haven,t connected once yet. Try lawn bowls

oh my god.....like I said you are carrying the drinks! Have you actually sucked caseys ....? No really, have you? WhAt a pile of ........!!!!!! this is truly a disturbing post, Thank god md and rog have at least jumped on this as well, for if it was a rossi fan you lot would be on it like flies to ........

Your wonderkid has had two of his youthful years to retain his title, and tell me what has happened?a distant second and now a distant third. You are dreaming if you think he will beat vr to another title, and I say this with stats firmly on my side... And when vr retires, my bet is next year, then cs will be getting whipped by jl and spies instead.... So pray for another Aussie kid mate cause this one doesn't have the guts to be our next md.....

 

[MdubSTYLIE]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Oct 29 2009, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>oh my casey stoner.....like I said you are carrying the drinks! Have you actually sucked caseys ....? No really, have you? WhAt a pile of ........!!!!!! this is truly a disturbing post, Thank casey stoner md and rog have at least jumped on this as well, for if it was a rossi fan you lot would be on it like flies to ........

Your wonderkid has had two of his youthful years to retain his title, and tell me what has happened?a distant second and now a distant third. You are dreaming if you think he will beat vr to another title, and I say this with stats firmly on my side... And when vr retires, my bet is next year, then cs will be getting whipped by jl and spies instead.... So pray for another Aussie kid mate cause this one doesn't have the guts to be our next md.....

I made a few changes to help bunyip understand you better. Hope you don't mind.

 

[Jumkie]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Oct 29 2009, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No it's not. The words are not negatively charged and there is nothing in it that should be interpreted as negative.
Oh we both know you're bullshiting and backpedalling.

Again, here is what you said regarding Rossi clinching the title compared to Spies. Notice how one seems superior and the other is rubbished with implication. Pay attention to the highlighted parts.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Oct 25 2009, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Another way to see it:
- Rossi ended up with 16 points more than he needed to clich the championship
- he did the fastest lap in the race

Now I agree that he didn't push his maximum but non the less he did more than "just enough". To set the fastest lap on a wet/damp track against the best riders in the world can never be considered crusing and unless absolutly nesessary not something you do in the process of doing "just enough". [Ok, so you just set it up for us, Rossi did NOT do "just enough" according to you (though incredibly you premised it with "didn't push his maximum. which you had denied previously Rossi did not stay within his "comfort zone"). Now check out how you bring in Spies, to show us how his approach was somehow different and inferior to your hero.]

[Here is what you said:]

If you want to check out "Just enough" it was done by it's definition in another championship today, but let's not spoil the results here.

Well since you decided to cite Spies championship and his strategy by implying an inferior performance to your hero. Here is what the horse had to say. You will see what we've been telling you all along is simply the "smart" thing to do. (Though you and the Mindless have made it a bad word to do "just enough" to secure a title.)

LINK

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>No Technical Problem With Spies' Bike In Race Two
by dean adams
Thursday, October 29, 2009
Never underestimate the ability of a non-factual statement made on television to be regarded as gospel in distant corners of the enthusiast ranks. [They were probably thinking of you Babel, since you like to make so many assessments from "TV" and what the commentators say as gospel.]

In race two at Portugal last weekend, one of the series announcers--who are really becoming the barnstormers of assumptions--shrieked that Spies was suffering some kind of technical problem with his Yamaha. Inferring that was the reason he slowed after winning race one.

Since then this story has almost sprouted legs [Babelfish] and started walking the earth, it's been repeated and asked about so many times since then.

Both Spies and his crewchief, Tom Houseworth, deny there was any issue with the bike.

Spies, speaking from his home in Como, Italy, yesterday reiterated that <span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%he simply made a tactical decision to finish in a position which would allow him to win the title. [Well don't tell Spies that Babel & Co, Boppers Inc. think this is a dastardly way to win a title. ] Spies said that he remained reasonably certain that he could have won race two if he'd desired to, but wasn't going to risk the title.

ENDS

Again, Rossi employed this same strategy, did "just enough", what you guys called "cruising for points" (though you guys try to argue that we didn't see the same race you saw). And yet, even though both world champs did this, according to Babelfish: Spies is diminished for "cruising" where Rossi's "cruising" didn't happen, it was just our imagination. Ah, all that .... you guys said back in the day, well its all coming back to haunt you boppers. Go ahead Babel, commence backpedaling...AGAIN!

 

[Arrabbiata1]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 29 2009, 08:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Go ahead Babel, commence backpedaling...AGAIN!
The 'fish is floundering

 

[MdubSTYLIE]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 29 2009, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh we both know you're bullshiting and backpedalling.

Again, here is what you said regarding Rossi clinching the title compared to Spies. Notice how one seems superior and the other is rubbished with implication. Pay attention to the highlighted parts.



Well since you decided to cite Spies championship and his strategy by implying an inferior performance to your hero. Here is what the horse had to say. You will see what we've been telling you all along is simply the "smart" thing to do. (Though you and the Mindless have made it a bad word to do "just enough" to secure a title.)

LINK



Again, Rossi employed this same strategy, did "just enough", what you guys called "cruising for points" (though you guys try to argue that we didn't see the same race you saw). And yet, even though both world champs did this, according to Babelfish: Spies is diminished for "cruising" where Rossi's "cruising" didn't happen, it was just our imagination. Ah, all that .... you guys said back in the day, well its all coming back to haunt you boppers. Go ahead Babel, commence backpedaling...AGAIN!

Some of your best work ever jums. EVER

 

[Gaz]

Ah well, I need to pee some more so here goes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Oct 28 2009, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You all are arguing over who is the fastest on a bike? Well my bet is Usain Bolt, but I really don't know if he has set foot over a bike before. What a ridicules argument, the fastest guy on the bike is the person who won the championship.


Acording to Wikipedia Chris Carr is the fastest person on a piston engined motorcycle having recorded 367.382 mph (591.244 kmh) - so case closed.

Source:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_land_speed_record

Now, does that mean much in terms of this conversation, nope, but then nor does much else.

Oh, and Dub as I said a few posts ago, whilst I disagree with the fastest=best sentiment(as for me the best does not have to be the fastest) there is no doubt that the best rider in MGP in 2009 won the title, as with 2008, 2007, 2006 etc etc.







Gaz

 

[MdubSTYLIE]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Oct 29 2009, 05:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ah well, I need to pee some more so here goes.




Acording to Wikipedia Chris Carr is the fastest person on a piston engined motorcycle having recorded 367.382 mph (591.244 kmh) - so case closed.

Source:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_land_speed_record

Now, does that mean much in terms of this conversation, nope, but then nor does much else.

No no we were debating fastest <u>person</u> on a bike. While that was the fastest bike with a person on it, ya dig?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Oct 29 2009, 05:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh, and Dub as I said a few posts ago, whilst I disagree with the fastest=best sentiment(as for me the best does not have to be the fastest) there is no doubt that the best rider in MGP in 2009 won the title, as with 2008, 2007, 2006 etc etc.
Gaz

I can agree with that. except well as long as the goat is around how can you argue the best won the years vale didn't win the wc? I mean vale is the goat that makes him the best, so how can someone be better than the greatest of all time? The others were just faster one year.

 

[Gaz]

Oh ok, lets see how far off topic we can get.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Oct 29 2009, 11:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No no we were debating fastest <u>person</u> on a bike. While that was the fastest bike with a person on it, ya dig?

Ah, now I gets ya.

But, in the case of Chris Carr, he was on the bike at the time of the high speed reading so technically he meets your comment of 'debating the fastest person on a bike'.

Or are you referring to individual person who has recorded the highest unaided velocity who has then jumped onto a motorcycle?

And, if the latter - do parachutists who ride motorcycles count?


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Oct 29 2009, 11:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can agree with that. except well as long as the goat is around how can you argue the best won the years vale didn't win the wc? I mean vale is the goat that makes him the best, so how can someone be better than the greatest of all time? The others were just faster one year.

Easy.

The term GOAT refers to a period of time (in this case 'all time') whereas a championship is within a set pre-defined time frame (ie. one year). It is quite conceivable that someone referred to as the GOAT could be out-performed over a period of time shorter (ie. one year) than that which has defined their career (ie. all time).

As you would know, I like to compare Rossi with Tiger Woods (comparable in all ways - neither has the most championships yet, but impacts on their sports are huge). You will know that Woods has had 'lean' periods where he has not been the best (some tournaments, sometimes months) which have afftected the 'who has been the best over X time, but does not affect the 'who is the GOAT' discussion.

Now, back to your comments.

Were they faster or their bikes

All in fun by the way peeps, just playing around



Oh, just a little aside for V if he should want to look it up before I try to track it down - when was the last year we had 5 individual race winners?












Gaz

 

[MdubSTYLIE]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Oct 29 2009, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh ok, lets see how far off topic we can get.

Ah, now I gets ya.

But, in the case of Chris Carr, he was on the bike at the time of the high speed reading so technically he meets your comment of 'debating the fastest person on a bike'.

Or are you referring to individual person who has recorded the highest unaided velocity who has then jumped onto a motorcycle?

And, if the latter - do parachutists who ride motorcycles count?

I got it. Dont fighter pilots love to ride motorcycles maybe astronauts? So I am going with tom cruise. Cause in top gun he hauled so much ...! He flipped of a mig while upside down, while upside down gaz!! So at least we figured this one out, are parachutist and tom cruise are the fastest people on bikes. So if anyone asks there is your answer.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Oct 29 2009, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Easy.

The term GOAT refers to a period of time (in this case 'all time') whereas a championship is within a set pre-defined time frame (ie. one year). It is quite conceivable that someone referred to as the GOAT could be out-performed over a period of time shorter (ie. one year) than that which has defined their career (ie. all time).

As you would know, I like to compare Rossi with Tiger Woods (comparable in all ways - neither has the most championships yet, but impacts on their sports are huge). You will know that Woods has had 'lean' periods where he has not been the best (some tournaments, sometimes months) which have afftected the 'who has been the best over X time, but does not affect the 'who is the GOAT' discussion.

Now, back to your comments.

Were they faster or their bikes

All in fun by the way peeps, just playing around



Oh, just a little aside for V if he should want to look it up before I try to track it down - when was the last year we had 5 individual race winners?












Gaz

You got me on this one. So I guess we have an old fashion draw.

 

[VHMP01]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Oct 28 2009, 07:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would love to see them both on Ducatis, but it would get really ugly for Rossi-san, Of that I have no doubt. The gloss from his reputation will be forever tarnished. Great ,but not good enough against the young assasin, the throttle control king, the wet track wunderkind.

Well to me on a Factory Yamaha, Stoner would not beat Lorenzo through a Championship. On a Factory Honda, Stoner would not beat Pedrosa through a Championship either. Now, on a Ducati, Stoner found his golden bike and style to suit, quite simple. (Here it comes!).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Oct 28 2009, 07:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi is the past and present ,but not the future of the sport. He has proven enough already… (Bla Bla) …Suppo calls Stoner the fastest rider today…

Do you see my point Gaz?

Bunyip does not seem to read or acknowledge Facts put in front of him in clear white paper, and comes with pretentious silly statements.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Oct 29 2009, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I made a few changes to help bunyip understand you better. Hope you don't mind.

Finally Dub, you were getting old and cranky like the rest of us, please keep cracking jokes bro!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Oct 29 2009, 05:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh, just a little aside for V if he should want to look it up before I try to track it down - when was the last year we had 5 individual race winners?

Gaz

Oh that hurts, I only know Rossi era mate, haven't you figured out I am a booper!

Now seriously, if it was a captious question I may be wrong… But I would have to say the fifth one was Capirossi, in a Ducati by the way! Or was it Vermeulen?

(Same old '07 though).

 

[Gaz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Oct 30 2009, 12:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I got it. Dont fighter pilots love to ride motorcycles maybe astronauts? So I am going with tom cruise. Cause in top gun he hauled so much ...! He flipped of a mig while upside down, while upside down gaz!! So at least we figured this one out, are parachutist and tom cruise are the fastest people on bikes. So if anyone asks there is your answer.

Cool - so we agree - Rossi sin't the fastest on a motorcycle.

Ok, waiting .................. waiting .................. waiting...............













For those that think this may be serious

Gaz

 

[VHMP01]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Oct 29 2009, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ok, waiting .................. waiting .................. waiting...............
Gaz

I got the Data in 'just good enough’ in time… or was it ‘more than enough’?

 

[Gaz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Oct 30 2009, 03:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Do you see my point Gaz?

Bunyip does not seem to read or acknowledge Facts put in front of him in clear white paper, and comes with pretentious silly statements.

I am not uncertain that Bunyip isn't fishing V so sit tight, but yep see the matter we discussed and as you can see I am trying hard to stayout.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Oct 30 2009, 03:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh that hurts, I only know Rossi era mate, haven't you figured out I am a booper!

Now seriously, if it was a captious question I may be worng… But I would have to say the fifth one was Capirossi, in a Ducati by the way! Or was it Vermeulen?

(Same old '07 though).

Mate, it is a genuine question actually as this year we have 5 winners so I am wondering when the last time would have been - checked and yep, 07 it was thanks to Capirex on the Duke and Vermuelen's wet race (each only one win for the year)

It just seems longer ago.






Gaz

 

[Gaz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Oct 30 2009, 03:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I got the Data in 'just good enough’ in time… or was it ‘more than enough’?

Now sure if it is just enough, more than enough, barely enough or not enough - need to dwell on it some more.

Gaz

 

[michaelm]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Oct 29 2009, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You got me on this one. So I guess we have an old fashion draw.
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[Talpa]

Well done here boys......since Bunyips rubbish has ended this is actually quite an entertaining thread, and I would expect nothing less from Gaz, V and Dubster....

 

[slug]

Who cares about which racer is the fastest. Rossi is the champion. Nobody wants to remember who's no 2 or no 3 or whatever no after that.

I could beat stoner in 2 years, I could be the fastest racer ever lived if i get a seat in Motogp. Anybody can say anything about the future. I could even say that I would be the president of USA in 15 years eventhough I'm not American.