Round 4: Gran Premio Red Bull de España 2017

MotoGP Forum

Help Support MotoGP Forum:

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.
19 laps to go, and the gap between Marc and Dani is coming down slowly. Might we see a reenactment of Criville/Doohan 1996 in the making here at Jerez? Hard tire seems to be up to temperature which is good for Marquez and not so good for Dani possibly and definitely not Zarco who is losing ground to Marquez and has Jorge closing up on him for the podium position.
 
Rossi with a costly mistake at turn 6 lets Dovi by. Vinales right behind Rossi.

Pedrosa maintaining his metronomic pace.

Lorenzo with a beautiful overtake on Zarco...that's how you do it...heavy on the brakes and clean as a whistle. Sensational.
 
I don't think Marquez is interested in trying to go for a win here unless Dani's rear starts dropping off. Smart move just collect second and see what Le Mans can offer.
 
Great win for Dani! He was perfect.

Marquez with an important second.

And no offense to Dani, but I am far more thrilled with seeing Jorge get his first ever Ducati podium. What a great race from Jorge, and the first time we have seen him really look comfortable on the GP17. What a sensational ride and seeing him back in the bike into the corners might be a huge turning point for Ducati.

Zarco looked sensational, and he did an important thing by not backing down from Rossi early on in the race after the events of COTA. Best way to deal with all the .... from that overtake attempt is to come right back at Rossi and show you're not afraid of Rossi. Dovizioso rode a great race as well after how lost he looked in qualifying.

Vinales looked rather ordinary compared to the past 3 races. Rossi got mugged out there by everyone.

Championship battle just got tighter...going to be very interesting to see where we go with this.
 
Congrats Dani, Johann and Jorge! Not a great race but some very interesting results. Cal u r still an ...... Roll on French GP!
 
When Dani is on, it is a thing of beauty. Had Marquez been able to get by, he would lead the championship but wisely settled.1-4 in championship covered by 10 points. Good to see Lorenzo smile. Zarco continues to impress and not give a .... about scuffing up Rossi when he gets the chance.
 
Zarco should have ran straight and rejoined a mile ahead when Lorenzo picked him off late into the turn.
 
The biggest question is what this means for Honda and their engine/acceleration. I wonder if this is confirmation that they have made a huge step with the electronics and the new engine and if so Yamaha could be on the back foot.

Last year the Yamaha had an advantage in the low grip conditions such as today but they seem to have lost it. Honda still appear(from the one day we have seen) to have an advantage in wet and mixed conditions which the season will inevitably throw up. It could make it a real struggle for both Yamaha riders to be consistent enough to take the title.
 
Great racing. No "battles" but always wonderful when riders exceed expectations. I'm really happy to see Jorge up on the podium again. Zarco very ballsy. Points standings closer too. Not so much feeling of anybody running away with the championship. Marquez rode smart; has indeed evolved. :spin:

Did I get distracted? Anyone seen Iannone crash??? I thought he looked like he had his .... together.
 
Exceptional weekend for Pedrosa. Astral alignment of set up, conditions, rider and machine. Reminds me of Misano last year. Classic Pedro holeshot, commanded the race throughout. First win in Spain since 2013 and winner of the 3,000th GP joining Nieto (1,000th) and Doohan (2,000th). Managed the race beautifully - Marquez rolling off having intimated yesterday that he might not be able to match Dani's race pace - rode for the championship.

Both of Vudu's banners at half mast today - which is a shame because I wanted to see them at the cutting edge. Seriously though, At least it's closed up the championship. I've suggested before that the M1 struggles with the hard front compound- but both Zarco and Folger rode great races on last year's chassis. Wrong decision in that factory garage? JT is convinced that this is another Michelin inconsistency, yet why did it afflict one team? . Dani competitive again in the heat. As Márquez acknowledges, Dani is always strong in these conditions particularly now Michelin have a softer feel to the carcass. Expect renewed calls for the #70.

Have to say, the transformation of the Repsol Hondas has been remarkable since qualifying day at COTA. The RCV may turn out to be the weapon of choice this season. All of a sudden, this is the smoothest I've seen a Honda since the 800cc era. They suddenly look completely planted on what today was a very hot and greasy surface. Be interesting to see how they fair at a cooler Le Mans, although the resurfacing of the Bugati has ironed out the bumps of old so the Yamahas may not be able to exploit their customary advantage. Would have been interesting to see how the RCV behaved. The ripples at Catalunya will be interesting.

Completely wrong about Lorenzo - but I'm sceptical as to whether he would have clinched third had the Factory Yamaha team not been crucified by the tyre selection.

Miller has apologised for his shove on Alvaro but not without criticism of the dickbrained move that took them both out. Miller fined €1,000. Bautista seemed contrite without directly admitting culpability.

For the fourth meeting in a row, I'll finish with ...Zarco. Real deal.
("anyone that knows anything about racing could see that coming" blah blah blah)
- first podium imminent.

Significantly, Johann said that Lorenzo was strong throughout the corner - entry mid corner speed and exit and that he simply couldn't fight back. This will have imbued Lorenzo with confidence but I don't expect him to be able to fight again until Mugello.
 
Exceptional weekend for Pedrosa. Astral alignment of set up, conditions, rider and machine. Reminds me of Misano last year. Classic Pedro holeshot, commanded the race throughout. First win in Spain since 2013 and winner of the 3,000th GP joining Nieto (1,000th) and Doohan (2,000th). Managed the race beautifully - Marquez rolling off having intimated yesterday that he might not be able to match Dani's race pace - rode for the championship.

Both of Vudu's banners at half mast today - which is a shame because I wanted to see them at the cutting edge. Seriously though, At least it's closed up the championship. I've suggested before that the M1 struggles with the hard front compound- but both Zarco and Folger rode great races on last year's chassis. Wrong decision in that factory garage? JT is convinced that this is another Michelin inconsistency, yet why did it afflict one team? . Dani competitive again in the heat. As Márquez acknowledges, Dani is always strong in these conditions particularly now Michelin have a softer feel to the carcass. Expect renewed calls for the #70.

Have to say, the transformation of the Repsol Hondas has been remarkable since qualifying day at COTA. The RCV may turn out to be the weapon of choice this season. All of a sudden, this is the smoothest I've seen a Honda since the 800cc era. They suddenly look completely planted on what today was a very hot and greasy surface. Be interesting to see how they fair at a cooler Le Mans, although the resurfacing of the Bugati has ironed out the bumps of old so the Yamahas may not be able to exploit their customary advantage. Would have been interesting to see how the RCV behaved. The ripples at Catalunya will be interesting.

Completely wrong about Lorenzo - but I'm sceptical as to whether he would have clinched third had the Factory Yamaha team not been crucified by the tyre selection.

Miller has apologised for his shove on Alvaro but not without criticism of the dickbrained move that took them both out. Miller fined €1,000. Bautista seemed contrite without directly admitting culpability.

For the fourth meeting in a row, I'll finish with ...Zarco. Real deal.
("anyone that knows anything about racing could see that coming" blah blah blah)
- first podium imminent.

Significantly, Johann said that Lorenzo was strong throughout the corner - entry mid corner speed and exit and that he simply couldn't fight back. This will have imbued Lorenzo with confidence but I don't expect him to be able to fight again until Mugello.

Thanks for the thoughts Arrab!

Agreed 100% about the RCV...it's been awhile since that bike has looked as stable as it has during a grand prix. I'm not ready to say they've got everything sorted out, but relative to last year's race at Jerez, it looks like a completely different bike. And relative to Argentina and COTA, it's hard to believe that in 2 weeks they managed to get the setup so that the front in particular doesn't look like we're one moment away from a big incident. Even though Marquez couldn't make any serious in-roads on Dani, he looks much looser with the RCV on corner entry. During Q2 yesterday, when he slid that bike through the Ferrari corner, that was absolutely breathtaking, and I don't see him doing that 2 or even 4 weeks ago with the RCV. The momentum is definitely shifting towards Honda as the factory M1 seems to have some issues that I don't know if are setup related or tire related, or a mix of both.

Rossi dropping through the field during the 2nd half is probably going to see the Option #70 talk start up again. I'm unfortunately expecting another mid-season tire construction change, especially after the look of concern on Goubert's face during the race.

Lorenzo may not have taken podium without the M1's looking the way they did, but that is the way these things go. He still had to ride the bike to that position, something I did not expect the way the opening stages unfolded, and because of Zarco's pace. Agreed that Zarco is the real deal, hence why I don't believe Lorenzo will ever be back on the factory M1. Zarco while not 20 or 21, still will be young enough to take over Rossi's seat on the factory bike if he chooses to retire at the end of 2018. Zarco has the talent and even more importantly the IQ that sets him apart from the majority of the grid. Just a matter of when he will win that first grand prix IMO. Hopefully we see it happen this year as it'd be a huge boon for Tech 3 who have had to suffer through a lot of riders who never panned out. Circling back to Lorenzo, I think he has a far better understanding of what he has to do to extract performance out of the Ducati now. Not sure what to expect from Le Mans, but Mugello is going to be his best opportunity to try and challenge for the win as that bike is going to be an absolute beast.

I'm going to throw this out there, is it possible that Lorenzo's contributions inside Yamaha have often been underlooked? Given the factory M1's were afflicted far worse than the satellite M1's, and the '17 spec is just a slightly more evolved package, I wonder if rider feedback is part of the issue. We're moving further and further away from Lorenzo's time at Yamaha, and we've been watching the factory M1 slowly slip each race. This also may just be a blip in the radar, and dominance could be reasserted at Le Mans, though it seems less likely since as you mention the new surface takes away their advantage.
 
I don't have the live timing app. Anybody know what the gap was between Marquez and Lorenzo?
 
The big question going into the weekend was, who would win the battle between the two ground game veterans of Bautista and Miller
Bautista came on strong with his classic and predictable finishing move. It looked like Miller time for Miller but he somehow was able to pick himself up and surprisingly continue the fight. Millers stand up game has always been suspect so this was a shocking turn of events. He attacked with an old but frequently employed, drunken, Aussie 10 beer bar shove.
Not to be confused withe the Canadian bar shov, which involves fingers, ........ and items stuffed in mouths.
Bautista flailed on his back and Miller comes out on top.
Its a shame that the fight will be reviewed and punitive penalties may ensue when its clear that Miller was the clear victor of todays, gravel trap midget toss
 
Last edited:

Recent Discussions

Recent Discussions

Back
Top