Is that what Lucy calls it?
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Haha, nice gotcha Arab
Except that was last year and this was said at the Sepang 2017 tests.:fishing1:
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Haha, nice gotcha Arab
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Wrong. If you actually bothered to understand and read the thread itself as opposed to your usual eagerness to post for the sake of it and clamber up MotoVudu's rectum in the process, you'd find that it was the Sepang test 2016 that was the topic under discussion. It's all there for your reference - I should start with this post from Michael for two reasons. First you can actually take the time understand the gist of the topic under discussion before commenting for once and secondly, you 'liked' the post.
http://motogpforum.com/motogp/23445-round-4-gran-premio-red-bull-de-espana-2017-a-5.html#post434208
In August 2016 I think it was, Lorenzo made a statement about Casey Stoner and his innate talent to detect and feel aspects and nuances of a motorcycle that most other riders were impervious to. His feedback from the 2016 Sepang pre-season test had been that the front and rear profiles of the Michelins were in discord. This was the general consensus by the summer break and such a suggestion vindicated Stoner's original findings from some seven months previously and his first ride on the Ducati.
It's not a 'gotcha' - it's something that you noticed that James Toseland highlighted at the time on BT Sport. I remember it. Unfortunately it appears that you didn't and through your blind devotion to MV and your tendency to unnecessarily chime in to appear relevant, it seems you made a fool of yourself once more.
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When did they move the Sepang test to September? If you actually looked at the date I posted, the BT coverage I referred to was the Aragon race weekend.
And I stand by what I said, the Ducati is a difficult bike and does not give the same feedback as other machines.
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Again you seem to misunderstand. Read my last post. First and foremost, we were talking about the Sepang Test in January 2016 - not 2017 as you seemed to suppose. By the summer break in August the suggestion that the tyre profiles were mismatched was raised. It was Lorenzo that highlighted that Stoner had detected this on his first ride on the Ducati and which is also what was under discussion by JT at Aragon. This view which you appeared to have entertained last September was derived from Stoner's feedback in the Sepang winter test earlier that year.
'What you said' was irrelevant as usual. Stand by it all you like, the fact remains, once more, you didn't bother to understand this discussion before commenting and we were referring to the 2016 Sepang Test and not the 2017 Sepang test. Brandish your fishing rod all you like - it won't help you worm out of that one.
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I didn't need to 'look at the date that you posted' because as I said I remember it and the meeting that this came to light which is how I was able to find the thread and, unlike you I was aware of the context and the origins of JT's observations at the time.
From an article dated 21/8/2015 and found MotoGP Feature - MotoGP: Michelin rear ?like a qualifying tyre?
Tarramasso makes mention of a mismatch in the 'balance of grip between front and rear' which kind of sounds a little familiar, but hey, what would Tarramasso know anyway
“There have been problems certainly at the Sepang test and also at Mugello tests. The tyres seemed to work well, but there were problems pushing the front,” Taramasso confirmed. “I would say it's the balance, about the front and the rear grip.”
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Viñales and Lorenzo tied at the top of the timesheets following morning warm up - exactly the same times.
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From an article dated 21/8/2015 and found MotoGP Feature - MotoGP: Michelin rear ?like a qualifying tyre?
Tarramasso makes mention of a mismatch in the 'balance of grip between front and rear' which kind of sounds a little familiar, but hey, what would Tarramasso know anyway
“There have been problems certainly at the Sepang test and also at Mugello tests. The tyres seemed to work well, but there were problems pushing the front,” Taramasso confirmed. “I would say it's the balance, about the front and the rear grip.”
Interesting. I remember the circumstances following this so clearly. Immediately after his first ride on the Ducati Stoner detected this disharmony between front and rear and suggested that there was a mismatch in profiles. It wasn't until the second half of the season that some disquiet emerged in the paddock amongst riders and crews which is when Lorenzo highlighted that Stoner had detected this seven months previously - precisely the nub of JT's observations at Aragon.
I suspect if Valentino Rossi had yielded this feedback, it wouldn't be even under discussion or deemed merely an 'opinion'.
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I don't think I've ever seen matching times like that before. It's great to see Lorenzo making some progress with the Ducati.
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I certainly can't recall it.
Lorenzo is making the difference here. His prowess at this circuit flatters to deceive. That said, I think the supposed "breakthrough" is less of an epiphany more incremental progress. He's getting there, but in terms of the race today, the demands of the Ducati and the long corners over race distance will prevent him from being competitive.
Not for top spot but I thought with my aging purist memory, that there were matching times a few years back for around 4 or 5th in a session (may even have been qualifying).
Found it - Petrucci and Rossi in qualifying at Germany last year - both with a 1’21.666 but Rossi starting higher as he had a faster 2nd best
Found it - Petrucci and Rossi in qualifying at Germany last year - both with a 1’21.666 but Rossi starting higher as he had a faster 2nd best
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