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Round 13: 2016 San Marino Grand Prix - Misano World Circuit Marco Simoncelli

Not a full time one, he made many ill judged statements at the time and a few after. Yes some were hypocritical and some were plain outlandish. However that is history and as long as there's no repeat I'll be happy. He is still a great racer and the best way to do his talking is on the track.



Sorry that's just not right, he's either a hypocrite or he isn't. Like someone said earlier, a rapist is just that.
After all, you're not a full time dog lover, you find time for living on the forum and watching races buddy, you can't be full time.
VR is a great racer, that's not in doubt, what is are some of his methods. I get you want to be loyal, but ffs he owes you nothing, you don't have to defend everything pointed at him. Save that loyalty for your dogs, dogs are more loyal to you. I'd trust my dogs over folks any day.
 
Sorry that's just not right, he's either a hypocrite or he isn't. Like someone said earlier, a rapist is just that.
After all, you're not a full time dog lover, you find time for living on the forum and watching races buddy, you can't be full time.
VR is a great racer, that's not in doubt, what is are some of his methods. I get you want to be loyal, but ffs he owes you nothing, you don't have to defend everything pointed at him. Save that loyalty for your dogs, dogs are more loyal to you. I'd trust my dogs over folks any day.

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Agreed. Rossi is a .... for doing it in front of all, fenati is not
Nope, at his age it's impressive he is competitive no doubt about that. He has done a lot for the sport, but if you look beyond his persona I think he is not a good sportsman, abuses his position and is a cheat
 
I didn't have you down for a pissed up tramp but there you go.



Classy...
You claim you're different from other minions but you wriggle and twist to talk your way around VR's issues, then when you can't manage it any more you get nasty. Your mask just slipped. LOL
 
Fenati had ongoing temperamental issues that were not being resolved, we'll see if he's learned anything when he starts his new ride. Rossi upsets you simply by being still competitive doesn't he?

Rossi has had temperamental issues for 2 decades.

One could say Fenati just learned from Rossi's numerous premier class examples.
 
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I think Lorenzo privately thinks the title is done and is happy to have a bit of fun with VR. Maybe he even senses the tension on the other side of the garage and thinks 2015 could repeat itself. Who knows?

I said elsewhere (not sure if here or another forum) but I wondered whether Lorenzo was like that guest who did not enjoy the party, and who leaves a steaming unflushed turd in the toilet as their means of protest.

Genuinely, I do wonder if Lorenzo has said .... it, time to have some fun and make a few headlines as he is not stupid, he knows that he is the villain to Rossi's hero (we are talking media/fanboy perceptions) and to be honest, unlike Stoner Lorenzo has never seemed worried or pressured as the villain



I was fine with what Rossi did at Motegi 2010. It is his hypocrisy when circumstances are different for him with which I take issue.

I was fine with him racing Lorenzo at Motegi but one or two of the moves I feel were to aggressive given the circumstance of championship for the team and his team mate.

Were JL in a different team, then no issue, my only issue is the team mate scenario given that Rossi was no longer involved in a title postiyional battle.



It would 99% have been a much different statement from the team had VR not (stupidly) signed for Ducati.

Probably correct actually and does go to show the 'healing' (encouragement?) that needed to occur to allow VR back at Yamaha.




Motegi was about the same thing Lorenzo recognized at Misano, which is Rossi needle. Lorenzo probably was going to keep it to himself, but the reporter was savvy to get a reaction. If only these reporters grew balls to use that savvy to get a reaction out of Rossi. Being honest and frank with the media is a bad look in our sport.
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Thus the use of the word ego there Jums.

It was not about racing but was a statement, an unnecessary statement in the larger picture.


To be honest off track stuff is about as important as whether you fold or scrunch your bog roll. On a Sunday I sit glued to the race, watch the podium and then out with the dogs, I'm in it for the sport, not a soap opera.

Shame is Dani, that for so many 'fans', the off track stuff is critical to their enjoyment of the sport and to their feelings for specific riders.

There are some of the more 'pro-yellow' posters in this place that will tell you that they like Rossi because of his personality, which of course cannot be seen or experienced with the helmet on whilst racing, thus to many people the off track is critical to who they follow and how they follow.

I am like you, sit on my ..., watch the race (only it is night here so I save the play with the dog until the morning.
 
I'm a huge MotoGP fan and also a fan of Rossi's. I know the guy isn't perfect, i'm not blind but I give him credit for still doing it and being competitive at his age.

The guy is pretty passionate about the sport but many of his fans behave horribly, like leaving the MotoGP events early when he is out of the race.

I'm looking forward to Vinales moving to Yamaha next year and think he will be the next big thing. I'm also keento see how Lorenzo goes at Ducati, I think it will really test his metal.
 
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I'm a huge MotoGP fan and also a fan of Rossi's. I know the guy isn't perfect, i'm not blind but I give him credit for still doing it and being competitive at his age.

The guy is pretty passionate about the sport but many of his fans behave horribly, like leaving the MotoGP events early when he is out of the race.

I'm looking forward to Vinales moving to Yamaha next year and think he will be the next big thing. I'm also keento see how Lorenzo goes at Ducati, I think it will really test his metal.
Welcome to the jungle my friend, stick around.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
 
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Classy...
You claim you're different from other minions but you wriggle and twist to talk your way around VR's issues, then when you can't manage it any more you get nasty. Your mask just slipped. LOL

You came up with an idiotic post claiming I defend everything about VR when I absolutely don't. You then made the ridiculous assertion that I couldn't be a full time dog lover ???? I gave your post a mark that was a good reflection of it's validity and you responded by saying I'm a bitter old man which annoyed me, sobered up yet?
 
You came up with an idiotic post claiming I defend everything about VR when I absolutely don't. You then made the ridiculous assertion that I couldn't be a full time dog lover ???? I gave your post a mark that was a good reflection of it's validity and you responded by saying I'm a bitter old man which annoyed me, sobered up yet?



I don't drink kiddo. I came up with the ridiculous assertion after you did likewise saying VR's only a part time hypocrite. Don't you get it, a hypocrite is a hypocrite, an arsonist is an arsonist, a dog lover is a dog lover. These things aren't part time traits, that was my point, of which you were well aware, and if you were sober enough would've understood instead of taking my jibe about dogs to heart. I'm a big dog lover myself so I'd never question anyone's love for their dogs or indeed any pets. Staffy bull terriers are my weakness though to be honest, they get a bad rap sometimes but they're misunderstood.
You do try and defend or deflect almost everything said about VR too, even when you make a small admission it's always got conditions or excuses.
Don't forget you're the one who's been making the cold acidic remarks lately to me, so I figured acidic = bitter.
Don't take things to heart, we're MotoGP fans first and just because I'm not a fan of VR and his behaviour doesn't mean I'm a bad guy or the enemy either. If I saw you stranded at the side of the road with your bike or dogs, I guarantee I'd stop and offer assistance. Would the bloke you so vehemently defend on here? I doubt it...
Sorry for the lateness of my reply, I haven't been sleeping off booze, I've been sat by a swimming pool since 8am as my kids are swimming in the local championships. It's been bloody difficult typing this lot on my iPhone too with my old eyes. Enjoy today's racing and walking the dogs, it's a nice day for it. I'll be sat here getting a square arse from the bloody wooden slats they've got the nerve to call seats and charge £10 to sit on. I can feel a Victor Meldrew moment coming on...
 
Today, in sport section of news here on our tv, we had Motogp news...yep, a week after the race.

They started with DP's win...all great.
And then....."he seems to always show his best just to spoil someone's "party"". It's not easy to translate, but it was in a way, as if he is doing this on purpose.
Oh, I don't know about that. 2012 at Phillip Island Dani dumped the Honda on lap two to get out of Lorenzo's way, so JLo could secure the championship. I think Dani was just afraid he might win the 'ship. And then what? People would expect him to do it again, or something stupid.
 
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You're having a laugh, aren't you?

Rossi just had the biggest moan to high heaven that's gripped the sport since he showed up to the Thursday Sepang press conference with McCarthyist "evidence'. It cause media rules changes, reorganization of the institution, an unprecedented media gag order, the elimination of the penalty point system, a petition was signed by nearly a million minions, it has consumed every ....... MotoGP conversation, and all of this because Valentino Rossi accused Marc MARQUEZ of being a dirty aggressive cheater!

So now you're gonna convince yourself much less us that when Rossi compared a pass being Marquezesk that he said it as a compliment? You're either making a .... attempt at trolling or you're a special kind of cult worshipping insane.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

What does that have to do with my point? I never said Rossi saying Marquezesque was used as a compliment, just a description of the nature of the pass.

I don't think Rossi had issue with Marquez' riding overall being too aggressive to the point of being dirty in PI.
 
Misunderstanding on my part, I don't think Rossi thought it was a dirty move. I believe he wasn't happy about the aggressiveness of the pass which was his reason to call it a Marquez pass. Of course we all could be reading too much into what was a throwaway statement(and arguably correct as Pedrosa isn't known of an aggressive riding style) but Rossi has generally chosen his words with the media very carefully and I don't think that this is any different.

Lorenzo 'sooking' has been blown so far out of proportion as he didn't bring it up, he said to the reporter that if he brought it up then he must think it was too aggressive. He then states that he thought Rossi had the pace to get past him and didn't need to make such an aggressive pass but it's Rossis style to pass aggressively and other guys overtake cleaner. All true, as stated earlier in this thread Pedrosa and Rossis reaction to similar comments were very similar these guys know each other very well and I think the way Pedrosa reacted to what Rossi said is a pretty good way of deducing just how the comment was meant.

I agree Rossi uses his words carefully and for sure he wasn't especially happy about that pass.

Yeah, I think both riders were a bit childish in that moment, Lorenzo exaggerating his POV and Rossi not reacting well to that.
 
What does that have to do with my point? I never said Rossi saying Marquezesque was used as a compliment, just a description of the NATURE of the pass.

I don't think Rossi had issue with Marquez' riding overall being too aggressive to the point of being dirty in PI.

And what do you suppose that "nature" was intended to conjure? Come on Twerk. That's mean to conjure an aggressive I'll natured move.

Wait! You don't think Rossi had an issue with Marquez's overall riding at PI?!?!?!

With all do respect, are you high or drunk, or is this a typo?

Rossi took so much issue with Marc's riding that his paranoid assessment of it irreparably changed the sport forever!


If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
 
And what do you suppose that "nature" was intended to conjure? Come on Twerk. That's mean to conjure an aggressive I'll natured move.

Wait! You don't think Rossi had an issue with Marquez's overall riding at PI?!?!?!

With all do respect, are you high or drunk, or is this a typo?

Rossi took so much issue with Marc's riding that his paranoid assessment of it irreparably changed the sport forever!


If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

How do you define 'irreparably changed'?
 
How do you define 'irreparably changed'?
Well, I had a few typos of my own: replace "mean" with meant, and "I'll" with ill.

How do i define Irreparably? The same way the dictionary does.



ir·rep·a·ra·ble
iˈrep(ə)rəb(ə)l/
adjective
(of an injury or loss) impossible to rectify or repair.
"Rossi's negative affect has done irreparable damage to the sport of MotoGP"
synonyms:irreversible, irrevocable, irrecoverable, unrepairable, beyond repair, unfixable, unrectifiable.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
 
Well, I had a few typos of my own: replace "mean" with meant, and "I'll" with ill.

How do i define Irreparably? The same way the dictionary does.



ir·rep·a·ra·ble
iˈrep(ə)rəb(ə)l/
adjective
(of an injury or loss) impossible to rectify or repair.
"Rossi's negative affect has done irreparable damage to the sport of MotoGP"
synonyms:irreversible, irrevocable, irrecoverable, unrepairable, beyond repair, unfixable, unrectifiable.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

So when Rossi retires MotoGP will be on life support ?
 

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