Round 13: 2016 San Marino Grand Prix - Misano World Circuit Marco Simoncelli

yamfan said:

Indeed, Rossi came back with his famous "if I'm not allowed to race I might as well stay at home". Double standards indeed, given his 2015 call for riders to stay out of the championship. .

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If Marquez was like Rossi in regards to verbal needle, he would have quoted Rossi after Sepang: "This is racing", or the quote you cited above. But the kid doesn't have a malicious bone, unlike Rossi. Lorenzo's "problem" is that he states things straight forward, no finesse, that's why both the media and fans categorized him similar to Stoner, a guy they love to hate. Notice that Rossi fans and the media (practically one in the same) have basically forgiven and a accepted Marquez again, the guy who should still be hated since he was the object of Rossi's accusation of being a cheater. Look how they treat Lorenzo, vitriol hate has not abated, it's increased. Why? Because Lorenzo openly calls ........ on Rossi. Marquez doesn't do this, I wish he did. He'd send Rossi into meltdown...again.

I'll repeat, Lorenzo missed an opportunity to needle back at Rossi where it hurts most, had he replied to the reporter, 'well if Rossi is going to make such passes he should whine, cry, and moan to you the media when he's passes aggressively.' He would have sent Rossi into seething mode, instead Lorenzo's response made himself look like a chump. Lorenzo needs lessons using the media as a weapon, like Rossi. Being frank and honest with the media is not a good look in our sport.


If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

Dr No said:

Really?

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I am not sure which it is of the 2 statements with which you take issue, but I believe a rider is always entitled to race for position as DB says, and didn't think Rossi had any obligation to pull over for Lorenzo at Motegi 2010 and said so on here at the time.

JPSLotus said:

I agree.

I think the debate needs to not be on whether a rider is entitled to race for position, but on whether a rider has a right to deploy highly aggressive maneuvers that result in contact. Unless of course the rider racing for position is a backmarker obstructing a leader purposefully.

The only way I see it being that Rossi should have pulled over for Lorenzo, is based on the hypocrisy he engaged in at Sepang 2015. A better teammate would have pulled over for Lorenzo even though it would have gone against everything they stood for. Had he done so, he would have won accolades from even those who dislike him tremendously, such as myself. That would have been the ultimate gesture of good faith that I myself could not have argued with. One can be certain that Colin Edwards would have pulled over for Rossi in that type of a situation.

Instead, Rossi did what he usually does because he's driven by ego, and had to prove that even in not winning the world title in 2010, he could beat the soon-to-be world champion.

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The point I made before was that 2 ego's were on track, both wanted to arrive in front of the other, as is the unwritten mantra that says the first person to beat is your teammate . There's no point in lining up on the grid to politely follow unless imo that you have a situation like Valencia 06 where Dani let Nicky through which was right in that particular circumstance.

I can't believe that I throw out a grenade article for the Rossi gang to have some ammunition and nothing. Not even a mention from that side of the aisle that there might be an explosive on the ground. WTH? Am I going to have to pick-up the yellow flag just to keep the fight more even?
(Shivers at the thought).

Daniboy said:

The point I made before was that 2 ego's were on track, both wanted to arrive in front of the other, as is the unwritten mantra that says the first person to beat is your teammate . There's no point in lining up on the grid to politely follow unless imo that you have a situation like Valencia 06 where Dani let Nicky through which was right in that particular circumstance.

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1. That doesn't excuse his hypocrisy in 2015, not wanting others to race him.
2. Plenty of riders lined up and let a certain person through in Valencia 2015
3. Sneaky little dig at Nicky taking the title there, your inner bopper couldn't help it eh? LOL

yamfan said:

1. That doesn't excuse his hypocrisy in 2015, not wanting others to race him.
2. Plenty of riders lined up and let a certain person through in Valencia 2015
3. Sneaky little dig at Nicky taking the title there, your inner bopper couldn't help it eh? LOL

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There are no words to describe the accuracy of your post, numbers do 2/10
In case you missed it the subject is Motegi 2010.
No dig at Nicky whatsoever, just stating a simple fact.

JPSLotus said:

Except based on Rossi's moving goalposts, he shouldn't have been fighting Lorenzo for position in 2010 at Motegi!

But the real issue with Motegi 2010 is not that Rossi raced Lorenzo, it's how Rossi raced Lorenzo. It was a whole series of stupid moves on his part, that up to that point he had used without repercussions on any competitor in the past. Only, that was the first time he was admonished by his own team for doing it. The other thing is that when you compare it to MM at Sepang 2015, every move MM made on Rossi was CLEAN. Jum and I have discussed how breathtaking that battle was shaping up to be, before Rossi went CODE RED on MM for racing him. Seriously go back and rewatch everything prior to Rossi punting MM, it was some of the best motorcycle racing I have ever seen that we were being treated to...and was shaping up to be as epic as any Rainey/Schwantz battle from a quarter of a century ago.

Lorenzo is quite correct in his assessment of how Rossi rides: aggressively, sometimes too much so.

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I don't see refusing to cede position as a stupid move, Lorenzo was sticking it to Rossi as much as Rossi was to him , he also rode VR to the edge of the track so to my mind each gave as good as they got.

Daniboy said:

I don't see refusing to cede position as a stupid move, Lorenzo was sticking it to Rossi as much as Rossi was to him , he also rode VR to the edge of the track so to my mind each gave as good as they got.

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Absolutely, but how does this change Rossi being a complete hypocrite in having a very different attitude to Sepang 2015?

Daniboy said:

There are no words to describe the accuracy of your post, numbers do 2/10

In case you missed it the subject is Motegi 2010.

No dig at Nicky whatsoever, just stating a simple fact.

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The subject is overall is VR and his hypocritical behaviour and the way his fans allow it without question.
He raced a championship contender in Motegi 2010, then claimed other riders shouldn't race a championship contender in 2015. All of a sudden the minions were preaching this new "unspoken rule" like it's always existed and is the most honourable thing in the world. To defy it should result in a slow and painful death to the heinous perpetrator that is Marc Marquez.
As for Dani, you could say he owed Nicky for his mistake earlier, which had he not done, would have garnered even more points for #69.

yamfan said:

The subject is overall is VR and his hypocritical behaviour and the way his fans allow it without question.
He raced a championship contender in Motegi 2010, then claimed other riders shouldn't race a championship contender in 2015. All of a sudden the minions were preaching this new "unspoken rule" like it's always existed and is the most honourable thing in the world. To defy it should result in a slow and painful death to the heinous perpetrator that is Marc Marquez.
As for Dani, you could say he owed Nicky for his mistake earlier, which had he not done, would have garnered even more points for #69.

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Again not true , I personally lost a lot of respect for VR late 2015 and his lack of overall speed in the last few races before Valencia was the real reason for not winning the title.

Daniboy said:

Again not true , I personally lost a lot of respect for VR late 2015 and his lack of overall speed in the last few races before Valencia was the real reason for not winning the title.

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Ok buddy. Is Valentino Rossi a hypocrite?

Daniboy said:

Again not true , I personally lost a lot of respect for VR late 2015 and his lack of overall speed in the last few races before Valencia was the real reason for not winning the title.

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You are absolutely correct anyone can see that but sadly there is a massive amount of people who believe his insane conspiracy despite no evidence.

yamfan said:

Ok buddy. Is Valentino Rossi a hypocrite?

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Not a full time one, he made many ill judged statements at the time and a few after. Yes some were hypocritical and some were plain outlandish. However that is history and as long as there's no repeat I'll be happy. He is still a great racer and the best way to do his talking is on the track.

Daniboy said:

Not a full time one, he made many ill judged statements at the time and a few after. Yes some were hypocritical and some were plain outlandish. However that is history and as long as there's no repeat I'll be happy. He is still a great racer and the best way to do his talking is on the track.

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That VR's problem, he does his talking on and off the track. What a great example to the young uns he is. He is the ultimate hypocrite and prima Donna. He does a Sepang and gets away with it, fenati does something behind the scenes and gets the sack.

Today, in sport section of news here on our tv, we had Motogp news...yep, a week after the race.

They started with DP's win...all great.
And then....."he seems to always show his best just to spoil someone's "party"". It's not easy to translate, but it was in a way, as if he is doing this on purpose.

And ok, you can have your opinion, we all know you are just a "jurnalist"...no one likes your work anyway (he's a world class moron).
And then he actualy went to Dani with that...

Dani politely smiled and gave him a great answer: "I don't race for show, I race for myself. I'm trying to prove to myself that I can do it. And when I'm down I know people make fun of me, but I'm still here."

Richy56 said:

That VR's problem, he does his talking on and off the track. What a great example to the young uns he is. He is the ultimate hypocrite and prima Donna. He does a Sepang and gets away with it, fenati does something behind the scenes and gets the sack.

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To be honest off track stuff is about as important as whether you fold or scrunch your bog roll. On a Sunday I sit glued to the race, watch the podium and then out with the dogs, I'm in it for the sport, not a soap opera.

Daniboy said:

To be honest off track stuff is about as important as whether you fold or scrunch your bog roll. On a Sunday I sit glued to the race, watch the podium and then out with the dogs, I'm in it for the sport, not a soap opera.

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Agreed. Rossi is a .... for doing it in front of all, fenati is not

Richy56 said:

Agreed. Rossi is a .... for doing it in front of all, fenati is not

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Fenati had ongoing temperamental issues that were not being resolved, we'll see if he's learned anything when he starts his new ride. Rossi upsets you simply by being still competitive doesn't he?