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Round 13: 2016 San Marino Grand Prix - Misano World Circuit Marco Simoncelli

Indeed, Rossi came back with his famous "if I'm not allowed to race I might as well stay at home". Double standards indeed, given his 2015 call for riders to stay out of the championship.
During the 2010 Motegi race, Rossi showed his sinister side by attempting to run Lorenzo off the track, one could argue he was trying to injure him and put him out of the championship. Although it's pure conjecture, given his recent behaviour it's not beyond doubt.

I have to disagree about him trying to injure Lorenzo at Motegi 2010. I see it more as a case of him deploying aggressive maneuvers with the intent of getting the other rider to back off. Aggressive overtaking has always been one of his hallmarks, and in years bygone, it was always successful as it got into the heads of most riders.
 
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Please understand that I'm not saying I think he was trying to injure him, I'm just saying theorists might do.
I agree with jps saying that VR employs aggressive manoeuvres on track though, Marquez uses the same tactics having modelled himself on his childhood hero. VR found great amusement in seeing Marquez rough Lorenzo up at the start of his career, but he doesn't see the funny side of things when Marc does it to him.
At the end of the day it's all racing and opinions, they're never going to agree...
 
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Because after the first few passes and repasses he should have realised Rossi was not going to lie down, Lorenzo was nearly 3 race wins ahead so had a very comfortable margin over Dani , his 4th place meant he could finish top 10 in Sepang and win the title.

So why does the same not apply to Sepang 2015?

As far as the the actual topic under discussion is concerned, the pass was fine, Lorenzo has no cause for complaint.

I would like to think Lorenzo is playing "mind games" with Rossi, and trying to point out that Rossi is fine with performing such passes himself, but not so sanguine when he is being passed similarly, which would have the virtue of being true. I am far from sure this is the case, however. Lorenzo has a very long way to go before he out-whinges Rossi in total over the last 12 months though.
 
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I think Lorenzo privately thinks the title is done and is happy to have a bit of fun with VR. Maybe he even senses the tension on the other side of the garage and thinks 2015 could repeat itself. Who knows?
 
I think Lorenzo privately thinks the title is done and is happy to have a bit of fun with VR. Maybe he even senses the tension on the other side of the garage and thinks 2015 could repeat itself. Who knows?
Lorenzo clearly gets great satisfication playing with Rossis brain. And it works, has done pretty much since 2008
 
Sorry Dani but .........

Rossi rode with his ego and allowed that to control his actions on the track.

Lorenzo had NOT won the world title at the time and Rossi should have ridden for Yamaha (no way would Rossi ever ride for a team mate) and not gotten himself involved in a dog fight with Lorenzo. Sure he could have passed if he wanted but he should have done so with NO risk to his team mate and the likely Yamaha world champion.

We have seen the feelings of Rossi with regards to situations similar to that of Lorenzo in 2010 and yet somehow, Lorenzo seems again to be the bad guy for wanting or expecting that his team mate would be less aggressive in passing if/when it occurred.

Jarvis was right to censure Rossi and really he should have been more public in his comments as it was petulance extreme to put at risk a likely Yamaha world champion, but it was also thoroughly expected at the time for the dummy had already been spat ............ and that dummy was NOT spat by Lorenzo

There were two ego's on track , that's why apportioning blame either way for a battle of pride is always open to argument, at the end of the day the title was secured and was never in any danger from the moment Dani was injured.
 
So why does the same not apply to Sepang 2015?

As far as the the actual topic under discussion is concerned, the pass was fine, Lorenzo has no cause for complaint.

I would like to think Lorenzo is playing "mind games" with Rossi, and trying to point out that Rossi is fine with performing such passes himself, but not so sanguine when he is being passed similarly, which would have the virtue of being true. I am far from sure this is the case, however. Lorenzo has a very long way to go before he out-whinges Rossi in total over the last 12 months though.
The same DOES apply, any racer is entitled to race for position.
 
There were two ego's on track , that's why apportioning blame either way for a battle of pride is always open to argument, at the end of the day the title was secured and was never in any danger from the moment Dani was injured.
Again this is the problem, although you are very far from being the worst offender.

Event/occurrences are apparently conditional when Rossi is involved, absolute where other riders are concerned.
 
There were two ego's on track , that's why apportioning blame either way for a battle of pride is always open to argument, at the end of the day the title was secured and was never in any danger from the moment Dani was injured.

But Masao Furusawa thought it was significant enough to reprimand Rossi post-Motegi 2010, and told him not to do that again in spite of the title being nearly secured. Yamaha sided with Lorenzo over the whole incident, so it was clear that the team, whom had the most vested interest in the situation --as opposed to us fans who have no financial stake in the matter-- was not willing to assign blame to both parties, speaks volumes.
 
But Masao Furusawa thought it was significant enough to reprimand Rossi post-Motegi 2010, and told him not to do that again in spite of the title being nearly secured. Yamaha sided with Lorenzo over the whole incident, so it was clear that the team, whom had the most vested interest in the situation --as opposed to us fans who have no financial stake in the matter-- was not willing to assign blame to both parties, speaks volumes.

I was fine with what Rossi did at Motegi 2010. It is his hypocrisy when circumstances are different for him with which I take issue.
 
But Masao Furusawa thought it was significant enough to reprimand Rossi post-Motegi 2010, and told him not to do that again in spite of the title being nearly secured. Yamaha sided with Lorenzo over the whole incident, so it was clear that the team, whom had the most vested interest in the situation --as opposed to us fans who have no financial stake in the matter-- was not willing to assign blame to both parties, speaks volumes.
It would 99% have been a much different statement from the team had VR not (stupidly) signed for Ducati.
 
You in your previous post seemed to rather strongly imply that Sepang 2015 was rather more conditional, and that discussion of the involvement of the riders' "egos" was legitimate for that race.
My previous post was about Motegi 2010 Mike
 
My previous post was about Motegi 2010 Mike
I realised this and deleted my post before seeing this post of yours.

Same thing still applies in regard to your most recent reply to JPS, conditions apparently apply to Rossi but not to other riders.
 
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It would 99% have been a much different statement from the team had VR not (stupidly) signed for Ducati.

We do know however that Furusawa and Jarvis did not want Rossi back at Yamaha for 2013. In 2010, they had enough of Rossi by that point, and did not move heaven and earth to keep him from leaving. At that time, they knew the future was with Lorenzo.
 
I don't believe Marquez to be a dirty rider, he is hard and aggressive but other than his rookie year I don't remember any *valid* complaints about him being dirty. Iannone is probably the most dangerous man on the grid but I don't see him as dirty either just as Gaz said somewhat maniacal on his approach(though I believe him when he said he wasn't trying to pass Dovi and I give him a pass for the Lorenzo crash for no other reason than Lorenzo was going just way slower than anyone expected and it wa terrible timing when he came up to Lorenzo.).

Rossi however is dirty IMO and we don't need to rehash old stuff as to why he is.
This is spot on. Alvaro Bautista used to crash and take out riders on Suzuki like they were giving him 72 virgins for it. Randy DePuniet used to crash so much that a Crashy Thread would have 'crashed' the forum. Dirty? No. Words have meaning (despite this being a foreign concept for Vudu). But 'dirty' means you use a Machiavellian tactic during the act of racing. In this regard, Rossi is head and shoulders the dirtiest rider in the paddock. There is no debate. He's played with riders when knowing he's had the better pace.

I was talking to a friend regarding his now overly debated pass on Lorenzo. We all agree the pass was within GP standards--if viewed through the lense of good faith racing, which I will content included another Rossi-esk aspect; notwithstanding, the reason it became contentious was because Lorenzo recognized it was a bit of Rossi needle.

What rider in the paddock is recognized for employing 'HEAD GAMES'? Can you name him?

But since Sepang 15 Rossi has suddenly campaigned that his leopard spots were all a mirage, supposedly he's just a honest, straight up, good faith racer. His fans, who had previously lauded his capacity to play around to submit his 'weaker' fellow competitors with psychological manipulation and on-track superiority to mind .... his competition, suddenly decided Rossi's racing and conduct is of 'good faith'--no head games at play. 15 years of reputation for Machiavellian head games turned into Mother Teresa-esk honest racing for position! Rossi was just racing for position, Marquez was using DIRTY toying with Rossi. Unbelievable.

Rossi employed a bit of needle on his pass on Lorenzo. Rossi needed to make a statement, at his home GP against a guy he hates. Rossi is many things, ruthlessness is a big part of his nature. He hasn't changed his spots. He holds grudges, this has been abundantly clear. He's admitted it just a few weeks ago, according to him he's paid too much for not letting it go. He hates Lorenzo more than Marquez, because Lorenzo has the audacity to openly call ........ on him. Marquez doesn't do this, he is still a snot nosed kid, happy go lucky, with a .... smile, that races with enthusiasm. Despite his transgressions, like the above examples, they are not malicious. Rossi makes moves on track and says things off it for malicious intended, trying to use his popularity as a weapon. It's work often. No other rider has produced an illustrious list of villains.

Rossi is not only DIRTY, but he's a ..... to boot. Whining and crying the first time he got a tiny taste of his own medicine. Mommy Media, Marquez raced me too hard. Dirty chickenshit!

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
 
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What do you mean? I meant that Rossi finding Marquez' riding unacceptable/dirty 1 or 2 races out of 65 doesn't mean when Rossi calls a random pass Marquezesque that pass is dirty in his opinion. Especially when in the 1 or 2 races in question Marquez' overall aggressiveness wasn't the issue.
You're having a laugh, aren't you?

Rossi just had the biggest moan to high heaven that's gripped the sport since he showed up to the Thursday Sepang press conference with McCarthyist "evidence'. It cause media rules changes, reorganization of the institution, an unprecedented media gag order, the elimination of the penalty point system, a petition was signed by nearly a million minions, it has consumed every ....... MotoGP conversation, and all of this because Valentino Rossi accused Marc MARQUEZ of being a dirty aggressive cheater!

So now you're gonna convince yourself much less us that when Rossi compared a pass being Marquezesk that he said it as a compliment? You're either making a .... attempt at trolling or you're a special kind of cult worshipping insane.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
 
honest, straight up, good faith racer.

HAHAHA, that makes me laugh when I imagine him sitting there in the press conferences. I'm surprised he doesn't come dressed up like an Italian peasant farmer, with a few cattle and sheep in tow.

"Ah you misunderstand me. I hail from humble origins, and have never forgotten where I come from. I work the land, and every harvest is a bounty. I treat my fellow brethren with the RESPECT they never had. JUST WORKING THE FIELDS IN TAVULLIA BEING HUMBLE! How could anyone hate me?"

*media corps starts furiously jerking off and writing new missives proclaiming VR the most down-to-earth genuine rider the sport has ever seen*

Gavin Emmett headline: "Rossi is salt of the earth and tends caringly to livestock, and doesn't butcher them!"
 
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Motegi is a different matter where one rider decided to involve himself in the championship of a second rider, his team mate no less when the rider involving himself was already well out of contention due to injury.

Motegi was about the same thing Lorenzo recognized at Misano, which is Rossi needle. Lorenzo probably was going to keep it to himself, but the reporter was savvy to get a reaction. If only these reporters grew balls to use that savvy to get a reaction out of Rossi. Being honest and frank with the media is a bad look in our sport.



If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
 
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