Round 13: 2016 San Marino Grand Prix - Misano World Circuit Marco Simoncelli

yamfan said:

Rossi stated the ten or so Marquez overtakes at Silverstone. Marquez, a childhood Rossi fan has studied Rossi's style and overtakes. He adopts the same overtaking style and has even replicated some of Rossi's more audacious ones. I really don't understand how Rossi can complain about a guy using the same techniques as himself that are if anything, done better by the youngster.

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A) because he's on the receiving end.
B ) your last part of the sentence.

You are all failing to recognize the performance of the year this far. The flawless, creative and metronomic display by Rick Astley at Silverstone, was a show for the ages.
Ricks silver tongue, serenaded tens of sopping wet GP fans. Undoubtedly, at least none of the ladies in attendance were wet from anything other than perspiration, precipitation and spilled libation.
Ricks set list was a homoage to the fans and riders of the GP world. His opening song, Lift "You Up" was a request from Carmello, dedicated to Rossi. Look at these beautiful lyrics that tell about the special relationship they share

We're no strangers to love
You know the rules and so do I
A full commitment's what I'm thinking of
You wouldn't get this from any other guy
I just want to tell you how I'm feeling
Gotta make you understand
Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry, never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
We've known each other for so long
Your heart's been aching but you're too shy to say it
Inside we both know what's been going on
We know the game and we're gonna play it
And if you ask me how I'm feeling
Don't tell me you're too blind to see
Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry, never gonna say goodbye
Never…

Outside of Stoners cupboard, have you ever seen anything so sweet?

Rick's second song was Rihanna's, "We Found Love in a Hopeless Place". This was his heartfelt soliloquy about what it's like being a Cal Crutchlow fan.

His third song was a cover of Uptown funk. Clearly he's singing about what it's like being downwind from Race directions HQ

His finale capped off the night perfectly. He sang Clean Bandits, "No place I'd rather be".
This song symbolized every fans personal thoughts about the weekend. Libby was thinking, there was no place she'd rather be than Jorges motorhome.
Daniboy was thinking about Uccios motorhome, Povol was thinking about trees, ropes and 1800's Mississippi,
We all have our special places, and thanks to Rick he took us there

Special Thanks to 22 for supplying the footage

Dream on Bullwinkle, I wasn't even in the UK when that was on...in fact you were closer than me so go figure.

Jumkie said:

You admitted you hadn't even heard about this significant event until I mention it, then provided you a reporter's quote and link. Your solution is to "completely disregard it"; not surprising how you've formed opinions on the matter, aided by ignorance and wonton refusal to accept otherwise. No wonder Rossi was able to effectively sell Marquez was a cheater and he (Rossi) was victimized. You're willing to buy it sight unseen.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

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No, I said I had heard about it last year already after Sepang, which I thought was quite convenient timing. Your articles are all after Sepang as well, a month after Aragon.

The complete disregard thing I just used to match michaelm and others' stance on the arguments made the other way, thought that would be an appropriate response.

And 1) I don't think much of Krop as a journalist after last year
2) the Spanish journalist may well be legit, doesn't mean this story has to be true or doesn't sound suspicious.

Gaz said:

But Lorenzo also said 'it is my opinion and I am entitled to it no, your opinion may be different', and in that, Lorenzo is 100% correct.

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And I am entitled to say he is completely wrong in that. How can anyone use that pass or Rossi's riding in general to say Rossi is dirty compared to other riders in the field, when Marquez is there as well? Or Iannone, or Vinales sometimes etc.

GeniusAtTwerk said:

And I am entitled to say he is completely wrong in that. How can anyone use that pass or Rossi's riding in general to say Rossi is dirty compared to other riders in the field, when Marquez is there as well? Or Iannone, or Vinales sometimes etc.

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Absolutely you are entitled to it, just as I and perhaps others will then disagree with your opinion as it is well known that an opinion cannot be wrong, but can be challenged.

Facts on the other hand can be both wrong and challenged

Now, let me ask where Lorenzo called Rossi dirty?

He implied that he is not the cleanest rider, and by extension one could argue that he implied that Rossi was dirty, but show me where it is implicitly said for you cannot.

Rossi has history of some dirty (questionable) moves (small number, very small given opportunity), of that I am sure you will disagree and IMO he is not one that I would put at the pinnacle in that regard, certainly not in history and nor in today's field (the current racers having rather cleaned up their acts as years have progressed - my opinion there). But just as you allude to Rossi not being the dirtiest you also seem to wish to allude that Ianonne, Vinales and Marqurz may be dirtier which no doubt is as distasteful to some as are the claims against Rossi to you.

Gaz said:

Absolutely you are entitled to it, just as I and perhaps others will then disagree with your opinion as it is well known that an opinion cannot be wrong, but can be challenged.

Facts on the other hand can be both wrong and challenged

Now, let me ask where Lorenzo called Rossi dirty?

He implied that he is not the cleanest rider, and by extension one could argue that he implied that Rossi was dirty, but show me where it is implicitly said for you cannot.

Rossi has history of some dirty (questionable) moves (small number, very small given opportunity), of that I am sure you will disagree and IMO he is not one that I would put at the pinnacle in that regard, certainly not in history and nor in today's field (the current racers having rather cleaned up their acts as years have progressed - my opinion there). But just as you allude to Rossi not being the dirtiest you also seem to wish to allude that Ianonne, Vinales and Marqurz may be dirtier which no doubt is as distasteful to some as are the claims against Rossi to you.

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Well you can argue Lorenzo saying "it's his style, others overtake more clean" meant that he didn't mean all others, just some. Rossi clearly thought it meant all others and "his style" in a negative way, shown by him not taking offense by "too aggressive", only starting to laugh at the "others" part.

But when Rossi brought up Marquez at Silverstone, Lorenzo said "it's your opinion", implying Lorenzo thought there was a difference.

I don't think Rossi needed to push the issue that much though there, nor did I think that move was the best executed one he's ever done, though.

No, I agree Rossi has made dirty moves in the past, but the thing is so has the other great riders of this era. That's always going to happen when an aggressive block pass which makes your opponent lose out more in relation to you, compared to a better executed pass, is an option.

GeniusAtTwerk said:

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What would your own strategy be if Rick Astley made a pass on you?

GeniusAtTwerk said:

And I am entitled to say he is completely wrong in that. How can anyone use that pass or Rossi's riding in general to say Rossi is dirty compared to other riders in the field, when Marquez is there as well? Or Iannone, or Vinales sometimes etc.

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He never said Rossi was a dirty rider. Rossi's paranoia is progressing at an alarming pace, and Lorenzo is enjoying punking him in public. He knows all he has to do is make the slightest backhanded remark and Rossi will run with it.

GeniusAtTwerk said:

Well you can argue Lorenzo saying "it's his style, others overtake more clean" meant that he didn't mean all others, just some. Rossi clearly thought it meant all others and "his style" in a negative way, shown by him not taking offense by "too aggressive", only starting to laugh at the "others" part.

But when Rossi brought up Marquez at Silverstone, Lorenzo said "it's your opinion", implying Lorenzo thought there was a difference.

I don't think Rossi needed to push the issue that much though there, nor did I think that move was the best executed one he's ever done, though.

No, I agree Rossi has made dirty moves in the past, but the thing is so has the other great riders of this era. That's always going to happen when an aggressive block pass which makes your opponent lose out more in relation to you, compared to a better executed pass, is an option.

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And how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

GeniusAtTwerk said:

And I am entitled to say he is completely wrong in that. How can anyone use that pass or Rossi's riding in general to say Rossi is dirty compared to other riders in the field, when Marquez is there as well? Or Iannone, or Vinales sometimes etc.

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Because there can only be one dirty rider, right?

Again, Lorenzo didn’t call Rossi a "dirty rider"...right Vudu? He did not actually use those words, right Vudu?

Btw Twerk, I'm enjoying reading everyone's exchanges here, yours, Jkant, are great additions to our cozy forum. I hope you stick around. I should also say (not sure if it was you who mentioned it, or Lamponey) but I don't think Krops a bad journalist, I'd say he's one of thee best. I just don't agree with some opinions, as is expected. Also, I recognize he has to tread lightly around GP's Emporer and his minions. There are infinitely worse "journalists" out there, many conducting Yellow Journalism. I do take issue with his forum's north Korean/china's approach to comments and posts. I get his intent, but he's effectively created a "circle jerk" (povol) though I'd rather describe it as an 'echo chamber'. I have enough respect for the guy, but I also understand he's as flawed as any one of us, he is afterall a fan.

Anyway, in the indomitable words of a "former" member, carry on.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

Jumkie said:

Because there can only be one dirty rider, right?

Again, Lorenzo didn’t call Rossi a "dirty rider"...right Vudu? He did not actually use those words, right Vudu?

Btw Twerk, I'm enjoying reading everyone's exchanges here, yours, Jkant, are great additions to our cozy forum. I hope you stick around. I should also say (not sure if it was you who mentioned it, or Lamponey) but I don't think Krops a bad journalist, I'd say he's one of thee best. I just don't agree with some opinions, as is expected. Also, I recognize he has to tread lightly around GP's Emporer and his minions. There are infinitely worse "journalists" out there, many conducting Yellow Journalism. I do take issue with his forum's north Korean/china's approach to comments and posts. I get his intent, but he's effectively created a "circle jerk" (povol) though I'd rather describe it as an 'echo chamber'. I have enough respect for the guy, but I also understand he's as flawed as any one of us, he is afterall a fan.

Anyway, in the indomitable words of a "former" member, carry on.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

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I have to give Genius credit as well, he has got a few good licks in for somebody who superficially appeared totally humorless.

With Jkant I have no problem.

Jumkie said:

Anyway, in the indomitable words of a "former" member, carry on.

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Out of curiosity, does anyone know of any journalists who have lost their press credentials because the wrote the wrong thing about Valentino? Not saying it couldn't happen, just curious if it has.

Iowegian said:

Out of curiosity, does anyone know of any journalists who have lost their press credentials because the wrote the wrong thing about Valentino? Not saying it couldn't happen, just curious if it has.

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None has dared tried to find out the rather predictable answer. Btw there are much more subtle ways that losing credential.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

Jumkie said:

Because there can only be one dirty rider, right?

Again, Lorenzo didn’t call Rossi a "dirty rider"...right Vudu? He did not actually use those words, right Vudu?


If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

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Again, Rossi didn't call Pedrosa's pass "too aggressive"... right Jumkie? He did not actually use those words, right Jumkie?

moto vudu said:

Again, Rossi didn't call Pedrosa's pass "too aggressive"... right Jumkie? He did not actually use those words, right Jumkie?

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You are the one unable to decipher meaning versus words, so which is it? You argued the speaker must use a specific word or meaning isn't valid. Well, there you have it, using your standard, you've painted yourself into a corner. So now you have no choice but to call ........ on Rossi. Rossi said he's not gonna let Lorenzo call him a "dirty rider." Lorenzo never called Rossi's a "dirty rider".

A. Call ........ on Rossi.
B. Weasel out via double standard.

I see you've chosen B. Not surprised.

You're ...... now because if you decide that words do carry a meaning. Then you must concede that Rossi calling Pedro's pass akin to Marquez means he was too aggressive, therefore Rossi is whining, complaining, and bitching.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

Jumkie said:

You are the one unable to decipher meaning versus words, so which is it? You argued the speaker must use a specific word or meaning isn't valid. Well, there you have it, using your standard, you've painted yourself into a corner. So now you have no choice but to call ........ on Rossi. Rossi said he's not gonna let Lorenzo call him a "dirty rider." Lorenzo never called Rossi's a "dirty rider".

A. Call ........ on Rossi.
B. Weasel out via double standard.

I see you've chosen B. Not surprised.

You're ...... now because if you decide that words do carry a meaning. Then you must concede that Rossi calling Pedro's pass akin to Marquez means he was too aggressive, therefore Rossi is whining, complaining, and bitching.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

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No, you listened to the post race conference and put words in Rossi's mouth to create something you could be "outraged" about. You didn't state that Rossi said Pedrosa's pass was "too aggressive' like it was YOUR opinion, you posted it like it was Rossi's. You're entitled to your opinions, just don't try to make pass off your opinions as Rossi's.

moto vudu said:

No, you listened to the post race conference and put words in Rossi's mouth to create something you could be "outraged" about. You didn't state that Rossi said Pedrosa's pass was "too aggressive' like it was YOUR opinion, you posted it like it was Rossi's. You're entitled to your opinions, just don't try to make pass off your opinions as Rossi's.

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So using your standard, Rossi jammed words into Lorenzo's mouth to create fake outrage! Not surprisingly, it's his MO, Rossi always does that. Uses media as a weapon, and his minions predictably respond.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

michaelm said:

And how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

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This is getting embarrassing now.