Round 13: 2016 San Marino Grand Prix - Misano World Circuit Marco Simoncelli

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Yeah was good to pirro do well. Dovi has his hands full.

Would have been intertesting to see what the mad ianone could have done (with a tow)

Amazing lap by Lorenzo, great to see some goal line technology on this forum also, thank you as it looked awfully close on the tv.

Maverick should stick with Suzuki, it's clearly gettin better. He will be shafted for the next two years.

kudos for Aleix for being the way, always like the guy, Rossi showed his mental fragility yet again and lost it. Plus he a complete ....... hypocrite after last year

Haha you're welcome!

Too bad more people haven't commented on my "goal line tech". :p

That this has been a total nonissue everywhere except in Vudu's fragile mind tells you how overblown it was. Just like the phantom kick by MM to VR last week, we now have the phantom exceeded track limit this week. And we still haven't gotten to the actual race yet.
 
Haha you're welcome!

Too bad more people haven't commented on my "goal line tech". :p

That this has been a total nonissue everywhere except in Vudu's fragile mind tells you how overblown it was. Just like the phantom kick by MM to VR last week, we now have the phantom exceeded track limit this week. And we still haven't gotten to the actual race yet.
There is only one bloke who kicks in that paddock, he lived up to his donkey helmet

Race should be a cracker
 
Haha you're welcome!

Too bad more people haven't commented on my "goal line tech". :p

That this has been a total nonissue everywhere except in Vudu's fragile mind tells you how overblown it was. Just like the phantom kick by MM to VR last week, we now have the phantom exceeded track limit this week. And we still haven't gotten to the actual race yet.
Not a mention of it in the articles or even the comments on motomutters or crash, both not particularly known for pro-Lorenzo bias in their comments sections, I just looked (EDIT 2 comments by the usual suspects in a second crash article about qualifying).

What I will have to admit to possibly being wrong about, prompted by Crash comments, is Vinales. His pace this week so far is seriously impressive after his win last week. Credit to Suzuki as well, who seem to have the best balanced bike out there despite presumably comparatively quite limited resources, and they would seem to have been crazy like a fox/have actually had a strategy in pulling out of the series when the formula was the highly electronics dependent 800 formula, and perhaps rejoining in anticipation of the control ECU, and have also possibly benefited from the new Michelin control tyres whatever their faults at least being equally unfamiliar for all teams including the heavyweight teams.
 
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This tyre conspiracy theory has broken new ground, Lorenzo on pole massively under the previous record on 'michelintino' specials . This deserves an explanation, answers on the back of a small postage stamp please.
 
This tyre conspiracy theory has broken new ground, Lorenzo on pole massively under the previous record on 'michelintino' specials . This deserves an explanation, answers on the back of a small postage stamp please.

Jorge himself actually made a not particularly severe comment about tyre inconsistency, and said he had been hampered in FP4 by a tyre which underperformed in comparison to others, and in particular the tyre he had for qualifying.
 
So I think at he very least regardless of your rider allegiance we can all agree that the tyres are pretty .... this year for no other reason than inconsistencies between each tyre the rider uses.
 
Not a mention of it in the articles or even the comments on motomutters or crash, both not particularly known for pro-Lorenzo bias in their comments sections, I just looked (EDIT 2 comments by the usual suspects in a second crash article about qualifying).

What I will have to admit to possibly being wrong about, prompted by Crash comments, is Vinales. His pace this week so far is seriously impressive after his win last week. Credit to Suzuki as well, who seem to have the best balanced bike out there despite presumably comparatively quite limited resources, and they would seem to have been crazy like a fox/have actually had a strategy in pulling out of the series when the formula was the highly electronics dependent 800 formula, and perhaps rejoining in anticipation of the control ECU, and have also possibly benefited from the new Michelin control tyres whatever their faults at least being equally unfamiliar for all teams including the heavyweight teams.

The dearth of comments in the usual places says a bit. Vudu being the one crying loudest about it here...well, that usually speaks for itself in terms of merit.

Ths spec ECU helped Suzuki tremendously as they were almost able to pick up right where they left off several years back. Vinales is talented yes, but his jump has seemed to coincide with the bike improving more. Aleix improved as well. Only his talent level beyond greater than Aleix, has boosted him to the front of the grid now. I'm going to be genuinely interested in seeing how Iannone does on the bike assuming he can stop crashing next year. Alex Rins should do very well on the bike also. Looking forward to seeing what Suzuki does next season.
 
This tyre conspiracy theory has broken new ground, Lorenzo on pole massively under the previous record on 'michelintino' specials . This deserves an explanation, answers on the back of a small postage stamp please.

Great contribution as usual Dani. I'd love to see you type out something of greater elucidation, just so I'm not left with the feeling that you've expended your mental faculties on this but one post. He also did a similar thing at the Losail International Circuit this March. Fat lot of good it has done him since.

There's enough out there regarding the lack of Lorenzo's preferred tire withdrawn under safety grounds, and that he only gets the tire working when certain environmental conditions are in play - namely heat, that should make anyone reasonable, question the construct of these tires.
 
Interesting clip pedals or flats? I am fiends with her and her fiance Barry. Not this barry a much cooler one. She is 9x cycling world champion 3x bmx and 4x 4cross. They plan to focus on mtb'ing for the next year or so. BMX'ers over the last couple years have been coming over to mtb faster than any time before.



Fiends you say :D



im sure he will have a fly or something in his helmet tomorrow.


epic lap but not really valid he did break track limit

Oh no he didn't as pics show, there is a smidgen of tyre on teh line.

Try again. :p

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Lorenzo would still be on pole, but his 1:31 lap is up for debate. He did get both contact patches on the outside of the rumble strips.

I took a screenshot of it...


Sorry MY, but is the outside of the rumble strip is the top (left) of the white line then JL's tyre is still in contact in the shot you posted.

It may not be much, but it still would seem to have contact

Better luck next time

:p


race direction clearly wearing 99 tinted glases :D

Not at all, they just don't want a guy with that stupid 'look at me and my mate' helmet design on pole


watching it in motion doesn't change the still pic you ........ He clearly goes over the rumblestrips then veers back on track. He didn't go over by much, but RD could have scrubbed the lap. I don't care that Lorenzo got a pass and his lap was allowed to stand, but you love to point out RD is biased toward Rossi.. the screenshot shows them giving J.Lo a pass.


Given that you pic was taken from a 'watching it in motion' then yes, it does change things as if, when watching in motion he stays in contact then in your pic he stays in contact (as I said, your pic is not conclusive as there is a smidgen of tyre in contact)


QUOTE=moto vudu;422400]Nothing you can type can make the screenshot showing both his contact patches on the outside of the rumble-strip false. The pic is all the proof I need. You don't seem to understand a video is just a series of still pictures shown at speed. Pause the video, look at the still, Lorenzo exceeded track limit. If the video showed Lorenzo never exceeded the track limit, the screenshot wouldn't either.[/QUOTE]

Nope, the fact it is Lorenzo involved is all the proof you need.


Let's talk about how Race Direction/Mike Webb told Aleix he did nothing wrong but still gave him a talking to...let's hear your thoughts on this.

Being fair, that was Aleix's take as other reports suggest that Webb told AE that he had only slightly impeded VR.

I totally understand AE's words and reading of the situation, and also see the comments from Webb to media as likely. My bet, somewhere in the middle lay the true conversation and each is putting their spin on it
 
Hahaha, Jorge's rear tire exceeded the limit MORE than his front. I thought you'd at least try to make a case for the front contact patch!!

I like that MV, the way you snuck that front tyre comment in ....... that was good :D

Picture shows you're wrong. Like I said, nothing you can type will change the pixels in the pic. You can keep trying if you're bored enough.

No, the picture is unclear and in YOUR mind shows that JPS is wrong.

In my mind the picture is inconclusive and does look as though the right side edge of the rear is in contact with the outside edge of the rumble strip.

Sure, that does not suit your narrative and I acknowledge your comment that it was meaningless in the larger scheme given he went faster later, but you see a shovel whilst I see a spade

We're not discussing the apex of the corner, this occurs after Lorenzo exited the corner. Yes, there is a slight curve in the rumble-strip (track edge), but Lorenzo still got both his contract patches over the limit.

Does the rule or interpretation say contact patches or riding outside track limits?

You don't do very well debating on here without trying to twist the words of others to make something you can argue against. I already stated that I didn't care about RD not scrubbing the lap, but I'm posting because Lorenzo DID exceed the track limit and was given a pass. RD did him a favor, that record lap COULD have been rightfully scrubbed.


So why continue on about it?

I mean, if I don't like the food I don't eat it and I sure as .... sticks to a blanket don't take photos or samples and go posting on a forum until I can convince others that the food was bad.

We get it.

VR = GOOD, GREAT, GOD

JL = BAD, DEVIL CHILD, POOR
 
I wasnt going to make any judgement from a still shot at an angle, but the video just posted clearly shows Lorenzo did not violate track limits. Sometimes you can come off as the bigger man if you admit when you are wrong.

What if MV is a chick?

I mean, most chicks are never wrong (particularly in an argument, I mean they use their ....s as a weapon to distract us)

I know my wife has never been wrong :p



Maverick should stick with Suzuki, it's clearly gettin better. He will be shafted for the next two years.

Yep, I am kind of starting to wonder on this as well as how the crazy one will go on the Suzuki.

I do hope that given some recent performances the next 2 years do not set MV back as I am unconvinced that he will be given every and equal opportunity from 2017


This tyre conspiracy theory has broken new ground, Lorenzo on pole massively under the previous record on 'michelintino' specials . This deserves an explanation, answers on the back of a small postage stamp please.

Easy.

By starting in front of the stupid 'look at me' helmet is does not have to look at pictures of VR and the manchild trying to look cool, thus he is not put off by kitsche and can concentrate and to be able to do that, he had to take risks and so he did.

The shark is back (well, for one lap on a quiet day anyway)
 
Just found this pic of Pirro's machine from FP3

Interesting setup on the rear and have to say that Ducati sure are willing to try things out.


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Actually if you watch the video in motion, he never was off. The front tire was right on the edge of the curb.

And his rear tire never went out, it was half on, half out.

Wrong again.

watching it in motion doesn't change the still pic you ........

Well just as I always suspect, JPS is an absolutely stupid person. Even with photo proof he can not put his hatred aside and admit to anything negative to a VR rival. Soon he will say Carmelo doctor that photo to portray RD as fair and objective. This forum is an absolute joke.
 
Just found this pic of Pirro's machine from FP3

Interesting setup on the rear and have to say that Ducati sure are willing to try things out.


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It's for aero testing purposes. Open wheels create drag.
 
Well just as I always suspect, JPS is an absolutely stupid person. Even with photo proof he can not put his hatred aside and admit. Soon he will say Carmelo doctor that photo to portray RD as fair and objective. This forum is an absolute joke.

I already examined the picture and showed with a line where the track limit went and where it was in relation to the rear tire.

Try again Talpa.
 
It's for aero testing purposes. Open wheels create drag.

That's exactly what I figured - reminds me of the solid disk road (push) bikes.

Is an interesting concept from Ducati (once again) who at times do seem to be leading the advancement in this aspect.

Would be interesting to see any results of how it went in terms of from at technical view (ie. drag, balance etc)
 
I couldn't see a full results posted anywhere so:



Alex Lowes is only 6 tenths off Pol Espargaro which doesn't seem bad, but what the hell happened to the Pramac Ducati's?

Well finally a worthy post, maybe you are not a total useless after all. :spin:
 
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