Round 13: 2016 San Marino Grand Prix - Misano World Circuit Marco Simoncelli

MdubSTYLIE · Sep 10, 2016

Gaz said:
Just found this pic of Pirro's machine from FP3

Interesting setup on the rear and have to say that Ducati sure are willing to try things out.

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Those are some sick mags I had some like it in the 80's

Gaz · Sep 10, 2016

MdubSTYLIE said:
Those are some sick mags I had some like it in the 80's

Are they 'sick' or 'fooly sick' ?

MdubSTYLIE · Sep 10, 2016

Gaz said:
Are they 'sick' or 'fooly sick' ?

Raddest of the rad dude. I think they were skyway.

paparazzo · Sep 10, 2016

Gaz said:
But you still grace us with your illustrious presence and for that we are eternally grateful.

So Talps, you reckon the Broncs or the Cows?

You're welcome jester. I only do Motorsport.

The least you could do is congratulate me on my 200th post.

Gaz · Sep 10, 2016

MdubSTYLIE said:
Raddest of the rad dude. I think they were skyway.

So (in Oz they may get this) it is a lowered WRX with 6 ince pipe, 130db stereo pumping house music, race seat and tinted windows like fully sick bro.

A mate did try some solid wheels on his old road (push) bike but they scared the .... out of him as when he tried them (and he is not the sharpest tool in the shed) it was blowing at around 80 - 90 kmh (50 - 55mph) so he was kind of blown around somewhat.

I do wonder whether Ducati may be onto something however, but needless to say if they are and it works, DORNA will ban it

MdubSTYLIE · Sep 10, 2016

Gaz said:
So (in Oz they may get this) it is a lowered WRX with 6 ince pipe, 130db stereo pumping house music, race seat and tinted windows like fully sick bro.

A mate did try some solid wheels on his old road (push) bike but they scared the .... out of him as when he tried them (and he is not the sharpest tool in the shed) it was blowing at around 80 - 90 kmh (50 - 55mph) so he was kind of blown around somewhat.

I do wonder whether Ducati may be onto something however, but needless to say if they are and it works, DORNA will ban it

In the 90's I tried these wheels made of three thick blades of carbon fiber. It would almost blow me over in the air if the wind was strong enough. I hated them.

The ducati thing could work though. The solid wheel has been tried in wind tunnel to death in road cycling but they only use it in time trials. TT's are straighter shorter distance races. They do not always use them if the wind picks up. So I have to wonder how they might effect the bike at a full lean and at full lean. It could disrupt air around the tires contact point in theory. They have to figure something out as they are losing those fancy wings next year. I doubt this would work without the help of the wings.

#22 · Sep 10, 2016

paparazzo said:
This forum is an absolute joke.

paparazzo said:
Well finally a worthy post, maybe you are not a total useless after all. :spin:

Keep trying Talpa...

birdman · Sep 10, 2016

Daniboy said:
This tyre conspiracy theory has broken new ground, Lorenzo on pole massively under the previous record on 'michelintino' specials . This deserves an explanation, answers on the back of a small postage stamp please.

There's only one rider Rossi absolutely must beat and his name isn't Lorenzo.

Gaubertrons marketing special tires have already put paid to Lorenzos title defense. He is no longer a threat. Now they are working on Marquez, but he's a much harder nut to crack. Still he wasn't a threat for pole was he? Job done maybe.

I notice one thing though, Marquez is avoiding that yellow stripped hard tire like the plague, curious when he's normally the guy who needs the hard tire the most. Now he appears willing to take the 'gamble' on the soft. I for one am hoping the gamble pays off. He is the only one standing between Rossi and no 10.

JPSLotus · Sep 10, 2016

Gaz said:
That's exactly what I figured - reminds me of the solid disk road (push) bikes.

Is an interesting concept from Ducati (once again) who at times do seem to be leading the advancement in this aspect.

Would be interesting to see any results of how it went in terms of from at technical view (ie. drag, balance etc)

F1 used the wheel covers in 2008 and 2009 before they were banned in 2010.

Here is the Ferrari F2008.

The team tech guys said they aided drag reduction, but then tried to make it sound like the larger focus was on brake cooling. :giggle:

Iamapony · Sep 10, 2016

paparazzo said:
Well just as I always suspect, JPS is an absolutely stupid person. Even with photo proof he can not put his hatred aside and admit to anything negative to a VR rival. Soon he will say Carmelo doctor that photo to portray RD as fair and objective. This forum is an absolute joke.

I don't know if Player Cigarettes is serious or not with all his comments. I do know that you can't blame the entire forum for something you don't like from one person.

JPSLotus · Sep 10, 2016

Gaz said:
Being fair, that was Aleix's take as other reports suggest that Webb told AE that he had only slightly impeded VR.

I totally understand AE's words and reading of the situation, and also see the comments from Webb to media as likely. My bet, somewhere in the middle lay the true conversation and each is putting their spin on it

I gotta disagree here Gaz.

Webb already has a history of trying to minimize VR's role in behavior incidents. Let's not forget how he tried to shift blame to MM at Sepang in the total absence of any evidence whatsoever.

VR was not impeded and as such Webb had zero business approaching him at all on the manner. Total lack of professionalism on his part for kowtowing to Rossi's incorrect assessment of what happened.

Iamapony · Sep 10, 2016

I could have rode around that chump with ZERO issue. And I am slow as mud.

What if the "quitter" 27 rode The Maniac's bike, instead of Pirro ..... pole? How good IS that bike, now?????

JPSLotus · Sep 10, 2016

Iamapony said:
What if the "quitter" 27 rode The Maniac's bike, instead of Pirro ..... pole? How good IS that bike, now?????

Stoner was said to be very close to Lorenzo's prior circuit lap record during testing in June. Ducati released zero times from that test to minimize it. But I would wager had he rode in qualifying, he would have been on the front row of the grid quite easily. Lorenzo probably takes pole regardless.

Gaz · Sep 10, 2016

paparazzo said:
You're welcome jester. I only do Motorsport.

The least you could do is congratulate me on my 200th post.

So did Talps.

But again congratulations on your continued obsession and contribution to this forum which, with people like you here cannot be abs poor a forum as you seem to claim, afterall.

Gaz · Sep 10, 2016

MdubSTYLIE said:
In the 90's I tried these wheels made of three thick blades of carbon fiber. It would almost blow me over in the air if the wind was strong enough. I hated them.

The ducati thing could work though. The solid wheel has been tried in wind tunnel to death in road cycling but they only use it in time trials. TT's are straighter shorter distance races. They do not always use them if the wind picks up. So I have to wonder how they might effect the bike at a full lean and at full lean. It could disrupt air around the tires contact point in theory. They have to figure something out as they are losing those fancy wings next year. I doubt this would work without the help of the wings.

I seem to have a very very vague recollection of one of the old hub centre steered GP bikes from years ago having a solid wheel (not sure if one or both). Maybe Arrib or Pov can recall but I am thinking Elf Honda (will google a little)

Gaz · Sep 10, 2016

JPSLotus said:
I gotta disagree here Gaz.

Webb already has a history of trying to minimize VR's role in behavior incidents. Let's not forget how he tried to shift blame to MM at Sepang in the total absence of any evidence whatsoever.

VR was not impeded and as such Webb had zero business approaching him at all on the manner. Total lack of professionalism on his part for kowtowing to Rossi's incorrect assessment of what happened.

I don't disagree that Webb and DORNA do try to minimise any real or potential negativity towards VR, but likewise I also have no doubt that a rider will try to spin any discussions between RD and themselves to their own benefit and thus I suspect that AE did just this, thus to me the truth if the 'supposedly private' conversation (and lets remember that it was AE who went public) is likely between the two public mutterings.

If I watch the full video I do see VR check a little, not (to me anyway) an indication of impediment but more a 'this is no race so I will just make sure where he is going first' kind of check, the kind you will see each and every practice as riders second guess the other.

That said, if RD saw it as nothing then no approach was necessary, if they saw something then the rider or riders involved should have been called to RD, not the other way round (which to me, by RD going to the rider makes everything unofficial)

Dr No · Sep 10, 2016

Gaz said:
I seem to have a very very vague recollection of one of the old hub centre steered GP bikes from years ago having a solid wheel (not sure if one or both). Maybe Arrib or Pov can recall but I am thinking Elf Honda (will google a little)

The Elf bikes had all sorts of fugly wheels. The Elf2 was the one with the dish wheel.
Then there was the Gilera CX, little 125 with single sided front end and dish wheels at both ends.

I dunno about the Ducati disk wheel. That underseat area would have some very messy airflow. The wheel covers might assist in cleaning up a bit of the induced drag (or rather stop the wheel from contributing as much to it)

Dr No · Sep 10, 2016

MdubSTYLIE said:
In the 90's I tried these wheels made of three thick blades of carbon fiber. It would almost blow me over in the air if the wind was strong enough. I hated them.

The ducati thing could work though. The solid wheel has been tried in wind tunnel to death in road cycling but they only use it in time trials. TT's are straighter shorter distance races. They do not always use them if the wind picks up. So I have to wonder how they might effect the bike at a full lean and at full lean. It could disrupt air around the tires contact point in theory. They have to figure something out as they are losing those fancy wings next year. I doubt this would work without the help of the wings.

Mate of mine tried out some of those Carbony 3 spokes, also ....... hated them. We ended up doing destructive testing of them (stomping the .... out of them...interesting foam filled structure)
15 years later he regrets it, as fixie hipsters pay $$$ for that .....

Jumkie · Sep 10, 2016

yamfan said:
On the BT Sport coverage, Hodgson was desperately claiming he ran off circuit limits and it should be cancelled!
Hopefully this is the recovery that Lorenzo has been waiting for and Michelin has finally provided a tyre he can run with.
There was a nice, open interview with Gavin Emmett and to his credit he blames nobody but himself for his lack of performance lately.
His pole interview was interesting too, he's pleased as punch with his time and says he took risks as the bike was sliding and shaking. For the race he's making no forecasts and says he'll see how it goes, but thinks he has the pace and package to be competitive. Certainly a very conservative viewpoint from him.

If Lorenzo wins by a margin 5 bucks says we'll never see that tire again.

I wouldn't put too much into that lap. It's a one off. I expect the race to be a challenge for everyone except Rossi. In the era of Michelin, Rossi is always the favorite to win...by design.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

Jumkie · Sep 10, 2016

JPSLotus said:
There wasn't any exceeding of the limits except in your own mind.

Lorenzo exceeded the limits of Vudu's comprehension.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

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