MUGELLO **Race thread**

[Tom]

Man... Simoncelli looked beat up at the end. Takes a lot out of you racing against a Texan.

It probably takes a lot out of him to ride a whole race distance, he doesn't get to do it all that often!!

Yeah, he contradicted himself too.

In parc ferme stoner said "they wanted me to run with higher pressures. I told them no but the heat made the pressure go up at the end of the race". In the interviews he said "They wanted me to run with the same pressures we had in quali". ummm

My understanding is that it is a matter of perspective. I thought he was told to run 'higher' pressures than he had intended, pressures that were the same as qualifying. Meaning the solution they wanted to go for was a lower pressure, but it was not recommended.

I agree with arrab that dovi is just to good not to be on a factory ride.

Agree completely. It is tough, there is a lot of talk of Dovi probably not being kept next year but i think he is riding now better than he ever has. He has been quietly consistent, always there and is in a pretty impressive and strong championship position. It would feel extremely harsh if his contract was not renewed when he is on this form. But we'll see.



Excellent race today!! It was great to see an exciting motogp again, Lorenzo did excellently and really needed to capitalise on his/his bikes advantages. He looks brilliant when he's really on it and everything is working well for him. The championship is definitely not over, the next few tracks are pretty tight and a lot will hinge on what comes out of the crates at Brno. I love it.



Another solid ride from Stoner, didn't do anything stupid and knew when to yield against stronger oposition. He was obviously frustrated but these things happen, it is a long season and he is in a strong position. I've already mentioned Dovi, he had an excellent ride today and he looked a serious threat. It is a shame he doesn't really get the recognition he deserves but results speak louder than anything and he just needs that bit of extra speed to get a dry win under the bealt. It will come.



With all the usual critisism i feel we i should say congratulations to Marco Simoncelli for having a totally clean and incident free race, he rode well. I hope he can stay calm and build from here, he has the speed he just needs to bring it into his racing in a measured way.



Rossi - not much to say. Another pretty standard ride from him. A little worried about Ducati are still having these front end issues. I admire Ducati a lot for what they are doing in motogp and it's great they have sorted out the problems with the rear end of the bike, but they need to find the key to the other end asap so they can work for 2012 from a strong base. If the solution is there, they'll find it.

 

[rapidx]

WTH are you guys going on about? He's been getting his butt whooped by his 2 teammates consistently through out the season and last. He's only able to put up decent results cuz he's on the HRC HONDA !! You're measured by your teammates, and he's always far off their pace.





Karel Abraham, if given the HRC bike, could probably put up same results.

Hi supershinya56. I think Abraham is doing bloody well considering. Dovi too. They aren't as competative as say JL or CS yet. But jeez don't they deserve the chance. Seems this whole thread is more about slagging people off for their opinions (just the feeling I get from reading some posts). I've only recently joined the site and like a bit of friendly banter. Shame others want to ruin that.



Perhaps the mods can create a bitching and moaning area so those of us who want to discuss the race in a more frieny way can do?

 

[rapidx]

My bad. I meant friendly way

 

[esco]

Why does SIC continue not to have the speed in a race he has in practice? Anyways that was a good ride for Lorenzo.. Stoner and Dovi had nothing for him. Lets see what happens next week. Rossi better start changing parts again..

 

[Goatboy]

I just watched the podium & the track invasion, maybe those who legged it with 6 laps to go had the right idea after all!

The custard coloured cum shot still looked like it had achieved total coverage, quite impressive really considering.

 

[Evolution]

Toby and Jules noticed Rossi fans leaving the new grandstand in their droves six laps from the end....in Italy!!?? with Dovi was riding such a great race???!! That's what happens when you buy into a phenomenon as opposed to the racing. Not meaning to stir up a hornets nest, or indulge in any unnecessary trolling - and I've yet to visit Phillip Island which like Mugello I regard as the greatest race circuit on the planet - but it's hard to conceive of Casey crashing out of the Australian GP or even languishing back in sixth and Aussie Stoner fans leaving the circuit before the end of the race when another countryman is pushing for second and even has the possibility of a win!

Just came back from Mugello and did not see any special movement of fans before the race end. If anything, all the Rossi fans were cheering when Lorenzo made his move to the lead, and when he finished the race. Pity that all the Rossi haters now also try to make the Rossi fans look bad and distribute lies. All the Rossi fans I could see and hear (I was in Matressi if that is how it is spelled) were cheering frantically for Doviodozo. So stop the BS.

 

[MdubSTYLIE]

I think he would be better on the Gresini than a factory zook. Elias's LCR ride will be vacant. Maybe HRC will keep the 3rd bike?

Hopper could end up with the Suzuki ride next year. Bautista will be lucky to stay on unless Suzuki go for two man team again. Maybe a full factory gresini like sic? Its .... as Dovi is doing very well and deserves better. Good race today by all. Ok maybe not Elias no great battles, but it gets my vote for best racing so far this year.

I agree, it would be best for him if honda continued to back him fully no matter which squad he was on. But I cant see them handing out 4 factory 1000cc machines next year.

 

[Keshav]

Two things - and like Assen both revolve around yamaha's and their respective riders. The move Jorge made down Casanova/Savelli around the outside (Por Fuera) was astonishing, and possibly the best pass we'll see all season. Remember that's the section of the racetrack that when you barrel int it on a Moto GP bike prompts this expression on your face as your doing it:

Thanks for steering the dialog in a positive direction. It's amazing how quickly the discussion defaults to the negative minutes after a race.

Both Lorenzo and Spies rode brilliantly. Bautista looked really strong in the early stages making me want more than ever to see him

on a competitive bike.

 

[Keshav]

I was surprised HRC went for a 3 bike team with Dovi this year. Maybe they will keep 3 bikes and get someone like Marquez or they go back to a 2 bike team. One thing you can bet on is Pedrosa stays. Repsol money guarantees this.

Don't be so sure. Their patience can't be infinite. 4 years and no championship. The hospital bills alone must be killing them.

 

[Tom]

Bautista looked really strong in the early stages making me want more than ever to see him

on a competitive bike.

Definitely, i have never been the greatest Bautista fan but he is an excellent rider and definitely better than this

 

[esco]

Just came back from Mugello and did not see any special movement of fans before the race end. If anything, all the Rossi fans were cheering when Lorenzo made his move to the lead, and when he finished the race. Pity that all the Rossi haters now also try to make the Rossi fans look bad and distribute lies. All the Rossi fans I could see and hear (I was in Matressi if that is how it is spelled) were cheering frantically for Doviodozo. So stop the BS.

From what i noticed on screen the placed looked packed. If some leave early could have been to try and avoid the traffic. Maybe their rider didn't win so they also decided to pack it in early period! nothing else to it. .... i bet this .... happens every race.

 

[Bunyip]

Lorenzo showed us what a determined competitor he is and also that the Yamaha gives very little away to the Honda , if at all. Yamaha,s acceleration on the straight seems to have improved massively and now appears to match the Honda.



Simoncellis fitness or concentration for a full race is an issue. All that hair would necessitate a lot of kilojoules to maintain.



Spies is a smart operator..........knew what his best possible result could be and then planned it to perfection. A nice pass.



Stoner was obviously struggling with tyres in the latter part of the race, and yet the likes of Nino put their typical negative take on the issue. As Keshav said....how likely is it that he suddenly lost his talent mid race?........and how many times have we seen Doviziosa been able to match Stoners speed? ...........Never. Dream on Nino. Better yet, join your pals at MCN. The race thread there is hilarious............has degenerted into a mutual abuse -fest , with as much anti-Stoner drivel as is possible. You would love it there Nino.



For me, the big issue is........were Stoners tyre pressures the same as Dovis?........because Dovi had no problems.........and was Dovi,s Bridgestone guy giving different advice to him.



Before I heard Stoners interview, I was wondering if his fast early laps were responsible for his tyre issues. Could that still be a factor , and if so, will he need to take it easier early in the races (when it is an unseasonably hot day)?



I wasn,t sure if Dovi was going to attempt a pass on Stoner. I had the feeling that initially he could have, but decided to do the right "team thing", but then finally he thought 'bugger it" and did it. What I am saying is, that, if he had passed earlier, I thought he could have challenged for the win. As it was, it was the worst scenario (points differential) for a potential CS world championship. I am not saying that there should be team orders, but knowing how desperate Honda is for a world title, and CS being their only realistic hope, will team orders be something discussed by the Honda chiefs?



I noticed that Jumk,s post Assen report didn,t even mention CS, and feared that his psychotic role-reversal was in fact beginning.

But now, I see he does recognise his existence , but is certainly more circumspect with any praise.

Ducati (Rossi)are really in the poo. 2011 can,t end soon enough for them. And I wonder if 12 will be any better. Just as BMW created a faster Japanese superbike, Ducati may need to swallow pride and attempt to build a faster Yamaha.

Rog/lad.....I had a 98wrx and a 2000 sti.............but the step up to an evo9 was massive, I repeat massive. The subes sounded better, but that was all. Go cart handling comes standard and a power kit creates a porsche killer for 1/4 the price. You.ll never know if you never sample the dark side.

As I said, I sold mine because it was a licence-loser. Gone sensible......... Kizashi-v.nice car but still dream of the old beast.

 

[Talpa]

Just came back from Mugello and did not see any special movement of fans before the race end. If anything, all the Rossi fans were cheering when Lorenzo made his move to the lead, and when he finished the race. Pity that all the Rossi haters now also try to make the Rossi fans look bad and distribute lies. All the Rossi fans I could see and hear (I was in Matressi if that is how it is spelled) were cheering frantically for Doviodozo. So stop the BS.

Yes Indeed, how Arrab do you know they just weren't heading off to get some gelato

Did you not see the masses of attendance and the colours they were wearing? if it wasn't for these ungrateful yellow hoards of mindless morons as you so like to describe them, then Dorna would have lost money this weekend- no doubt, between predominately piss poor 800cc racing, Bridgestones dismal approach to tyre supply and Honda's technical regulation strangulation of the series....its lucky Rossi is still there to help them pay the bills!! Luckily by a few minor miracles they actually got a good race yesterday.



And as for Aussie fans not walking away early because they are true racing fans, well your wrong there too Arrab, I was at PI in 1997 when mighty mick crashed out early whilst being eons ahead, and you guessed it, many vacated the circuit early. So it can happen and it did. This kind of .... is mindless anyway and shouldn't even be mentioned with all that there is to discuss from the racing action.........





Boner baz and his trusty band of tossers clearly have their panties in a twist as their lord god buck-toothed Rodgers got well beaten today by what was a classic ride by Jorge and also Dovi.



Jorge's speed was incredible mid-race and his passing was clean and immediate, very Rossi-esk, truly a champions ride today by Jorge. It is clear that returning to the 2010 bits has paid dividends for Yamaha, the nature of Mugello certainly helped, fast-smooth consistent. Stoner seemed very strong throughout, and his usual podium interview ..... about all that was wrong seemed a little over-the-top once again, for what was a very good performance......he needs to accept that he was beaten by better racers with better set-ups on the day, simple. One of them was even on his bike......



Great to see Dovi up there, and after his clown comments, his behavior post-race on the fence was a little clownish........maybe it takes a little success to discover your inner-clown

Sic finally stayed on and got some clearly needed match-fitness and Ben showed him the way with a classic move on the final bend. I'm expecting big things from Ben in the next two rounds also.



As for Rossi, well it was another extremely disappointing weekend, this one is no doubt resonating far more in the depths of Ducati with what seemed to be a much more considered effort at home all coming to a big fat failure once again, all at a circuit where we know he can pilot a well sorted machine much better than seen over the weekend, one things for sure, they are consistently off the pace by around the same margin and Rossi just does not look comfortable on the bike at all, his lines seem off-very tentative on change of direction-during the race I was actually wondering how he was achieving the times he was because it all looked so slow. It is particularly noticeable in the downhill section like Arrabiata where in the past he would just throw the Yamaha on its ear there with incredible ease. I think now they are genuinely beaten and have to really consider every facet of the machine for re-development as it is still fundamentally flawed, and has been for two years. What this has again shown is that they may be on the wrong path for 2012 as well......exit clause in that contract VR?

Once again though, hats off to Jorge, that was one of the best performances I've seen from him for the past few years, much like Jerez 2010. And didn't Yamaha love it! It's been a while since I've heard Lin Jarvis that happy......

 

[Goatboy]

Ducati may need to swallow pride and attempt to build a faster Yamaha.

That is exactly what I was thinking.

 

[Bunyip]

lord god buck-toothed Rodgers got well beaten today ...........says Talpa



When you keep up this sort of infantile derogatory comment, it is hard to believe that you are even 9 years old.



Go back to MCN or crashnet....................

 

[Talpa]

lord god buck-toothed Rodgers got well beaten today ...........says Talpa



When you keep up this sort of infantile derogatory comment, it is hard to believe that you are even 9 years old.



Go back to MCN or crashnet....................

I thought it was a good one.....



Balance, furry one, balance your morality.......

 

[Keshav]

Lorenzo showed us what a determined competitor he is and also that the Yamaha gives very little away to the Honda , if at all. Yamaha,s acceleration on the straight seems to have improved massively and now appears to match the Honda.



Simoncellis fitness or concentration for a full race is an issue. All that hair would necessitate a lot of kilojoules to maintain.



Spies is a smart operator..........knew what his best possible result could be and then planned it to perfection. A nice pass.



Stoner was obviously struggling with tyres in the latter part of the race, and yet the likes of Nino put their typical negative take on the issue. As Keshav said....how likely is it that he suddenly lost his talent mid race?........and how many times have we seen Doviziosa been able to match Stoners speed? ...........Never. Dream on Nino. Better yet, join your pals at MCN. The race thread there is hilarious............has degenerted into a mutual abuse -fest , with as much anti-Stoner drivel as is possible. You would love it there Nino.



For me, the big issue is........were Stoners tyre pressures the same as Dovis?........because Dovi had no problems.........and was Dovi,s Bridgestone guy giving different advice to him.



Before I heard Stoners interview, I was wondering if his fast early laps were responsible for his tyre issues. Could that still be a factor , and if so, will he need to take it easier early in the races (when it is an unseasonably hot day)?



I wasn,t sure if Dovi was going to attempt a pass on Stoner. I had the feeling that initially he could have, but decided to do the right "team thing", but then finally he thought 'bugger it" and did it. What I am saying is, that, if he had passed earlier, I thought he could have challenged for the win. As it was, it was the worst scenario (points differential) for a potential CS world championship. I am not saying that there should be team orders, but knowing how desperate Honda is for a world title, and CS being their only realistic hope, will team orders be something discussed by the Honda chiefs?



I noticed that Jumk,s post Assen report didn,t even mention CS, and feared that his psychotic role-reversal was in fact beginning.

But now, I see he does recognise his existence , but is certainly more circumspect with any praise.

Ducati (Rossi)are really in the poo. 2011 can,t end soon enough for them. And I wonder if 12 will be any better. Just as BMW created a faster Japanese superbike, Ducati may need to swallow pride and attempt to build a faster Yamaha.

Rog/lad.....I had a 98wrx and a 2000 sti.............but the step up to an evo9 was massive, I repeat massive. The subes sounded better, but that was all. Go cart handling comes standard and a power kit creates a porsche killer for 1/4 the price. You.ll never know if you never sample the dark side.

As I said, I sold mine because it was a licence-loser. Gone sensible......... Kizashi-v.nice car but still dream of the old beast.

Watching those last laps I was imagining what was going on in his head.



Hey... I'm catching up with Casey. Pretty cool. Hmmm his tires are going, maybe I could pass him. But it doesn't seem right for the team. But then again, we are in Italy. Still, I feel bad for my buddy Casey, he should be winning except for his tires going away. Honda won't like it. My fans are going crazy and besides Honda ain't gonna give me a factory bike next year. .... it - here goes. Ahh.. that feels good!

 

[Goatboy]

The pope:



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[FTE217]

Great Mugello race !

Jorge is an Alien and a pleasure to watch when on song - Dovi hang his cohonas on the line to take CS end of the straight and wasn't it great to see his control into Turn 1 with his rear wheel lifting and bike shift deserved his 2nd place good on him.

CS whatever he says doesn't bother me compared to some, its the nature of the beast who cares, great bike control with off tyres and he still tried to retake Dovi that I'm sure he would have loved to recover those points.



Great duel between Pieman and Hairball - what a nip and tuck move last corner and it still didn't give the Pieman a smile

whenever the camera is on he come on man show us your pearly whites eh

Well done Pedbot - with that heat and no racing for a month that surely would have helped you get to match fitness sooner rather than later.

 

[Mr. Shupe]

Did Karel Abraham let Nicky by? Exiting turn 1, with 11 laps to go, he looked back, and Nicky blew by him easily. Did anyone else see this?



Nicky very well could have passed him eventually any way, but I'm curious if Ducati dictates to the satellite teams. I remember Barros beat both factory bikes while riding a Pramac Ducati in '07 or '08. It might have been at Mugello. He claimed the factory team admonished him and some parts were harder to come by after that.