MUGELLO **Race thread**
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Joined Oct 2007
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Tuscany, Italy
Bonnie, one cannot say that Rossi isn't trying, at least in the race. Here is some data:
Lorenzo's best lap in the race was 1.2 seconds faster than his best lap of last year.
Rossi's best lap was 1.6 seconds faster than Stoner's best lap of last year:
ROSSI-DUCATI 2011 best lap: 1'49''3
STONER-DUCATI 2010 best lap: 1'50''9
(The fastest lap in 2010 was Pedrosa's: 1'49"5).
Mugello has been resurfaced, however that applies to Lorenzo too, so the above comparison stands.
This doesn't change the fact that Rossi doesn't like this Ducati, although he may manage to race it decently. That seems beyond cure to me now, even if they'll be able to tweak the GP12 better than the GP11 thanks to the new rear suspension. The 'real' 2012 bike will surely be something different from this GP12 (that btw was designed in 2010 without any input from Rossi or JB).
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yep spotted Abraham looking back - I thought he just wanted to see who was onto him and I too thought Hayden went by easily.
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Yes J4rn0
And his best time was 2 seconds faster than a 1000cc bike in 2006.
Trully amazing isn't he? You really are desperate aren't you?
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Pretty sure it was Collie. He came over to Casey on the grid after the sighting lap and they had a brief chat ending with Collin giving Casey a friendly whack on the shoulder and heading off...
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Only 8 pages after such a fantastic race ! It would seem that the majority really do only pine for controversy after all
Powersliders are a bunch of ......s !
Powersliders are a bunch of ......s !
Jealous. He doesn't hate Stoner because he beat Rossi, he just loves Adriana & Stoner stole her from him.
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Out of Nowhere
All the Rossi haters? Who?
For the twenty four thousandth time I don't hate Rossi, so who are you referring to? I don't particularly like the personality of the man, but I think I've explained why on innumerable occasions now. Besides - why should you care?
The original observation about fans leaving was made by Toby Moddy and Julian Ryder sitting opposite the new stand on the home straight. My view of the majority of rossi fans remains the same, many buy into the personality and not the racing, and won't be around in a few seasons time. The same can be said for any successful rider as Rog pointed out - but hitherto not on the same scale.
I consistently find it amusing how this term 'hater' is coined by followers of Vale's given the last three years of vitriol hurled at Stoner - it really is a tad rich. Please stop using this terminology - it's very negative. If I posted some diatribe about CS being a spoilt petulant little ...... you wouldn't bat an eyelid. I invite you to find the 'hatred' in my post; because as keep pointing out I can provide a stack of real examples - and they originate largely from the Rossi camp.
Just enjoy the racing, because it sounds like you did yesterday - glad to hear you had a good time.
I thought it telling that in the pre race buildup, the BBC seemed to do everything they could to not mention Lorenzo. Went on about Spies, Simoncelli but Lorenzo was seemingly non gratis.
Then what do you know, Jorge gets his head down and you feel that grudgingly the BBC have to start mentioning him.
With Steve's barely concealed dislike of Jorge and their continual adulation of Rossi, their bias is frustrating.
Then what do you know, Jorge gets his head down and you feel that grudgingly the BBC have to start mentioning him.
With Steve's barely concealed dislike of Jorge and their continual adulation of Rossi, their bias is frustrating.
Joined Oct 2007
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Tuscany, Italy
Yes J4rn0
And his best time was 2 seconds faster than a 1000cc bike in 2006.
Trully amazing isn't he? You really are desperate aren't you?
Not at all. Comparing with last year has nothing to do with comparing with 2006. This is relevant data, if you have problems with data it is your problem
The comparison is fair because it compares Lorenzo's 2011 improvement on himself (1.2 seconds) with Rossi's 2011 improvement on the best Ducati of last year (1.6 seconds). All other track-related and environmental variables being the same, this is a perfectly correct comparison. It also shows that the Ducati has improved (relatively to itself), although it is still very much behind in absolute terms vis a vis Honda and Yamaha.
Yes Rossi does have more points this year than Stoner did in2010 but Stoner had 2xDNF’s and the difference between them is only 8 points,Rossi up to round 8 has 91 points and Stoner 2010 had 83. But Stoners worstresult up to round 8 was a 5[sup]th[/sup] while Rossi’s is a 7[sup]th[/sup],Stoner had in 2010 up to round 8 as follows 2xDNF’s 3x 3[sup]rd[/sup] 1x 4[sup]th[/sup]and 2x 5[sup]th[/sup] while Rossi in 2011 has had 1x 3[sup]rd[/sup] 1x4th 3x 5[sup]th[/sup]1x 6[sup]th[/sup] 1x 7[sup]th[/sup], so you work it out who’s done better? But ifyou take the worst results that Rossi has had this year and you do the samewith Stoner in 2010 then Stoner on 83 and Rossi on 72
Damn, J-lo did well didn't he?
That was such a tipical Jorge race, too bad Stoner couldn't battle a little bit with the stupid tire pressure.
Does anyone know if Stoner was pissed at his team or at himself for not lowering the tire pressure before the race? Spanish TV says he's pissed off with his crew.
Dovi did great but damn, losing those 4 extra points really sucked. Dani is hurting and had a big lay-off, he'll do better later on I guess.
Spies!!! well that was a nice pass to Simo. Beautiful.
Simo stayed on!!! well done as well. Next he has to do better than 5th.
That was such a tipical Jorge race, too bad Stoner couldn't battle a little bit with the stupid tire pressure.
Does anyone know if Stoner was pissed at his team or at himself for not lowering the tire pressure before the race? Spanish TV says he's pissed off with his crew.
Dovi did great but damn, losing those 4 extra points really sucked. Dani is hurting and had a big lay-off, he'll do better later on I guess.
Spies!!! well that was a nice pass to Simo. Beautiful.
Simo stayed on!!! well done as well. Next he has to do better than 5th.
Not at all. Comparing with last year has nothing to do with comparing with 2006. This is relevant data, if you have problems with data it is your problem
The comparison is fair because it compares Lorenzo's 2011 improvement on himself (1.2 seconds) with Rossi's 2011 improvement on the best Ducati of last year (1.6 seconds). All other track-related and environmental variables being the same, this is a perfectly correct comparison. It also shows that the Ducati has improved (relatively to itself), although it is still very much behind in absolute terms vis a vis Honda and Yamaha.
To use past years times to compare to this years is nothing but grasping at straws to find positives. Guess what? There are none right now.
Rossi's best time is 1.6 seconds faster than Stoners best last year? That's what you are using right?
So Stoner would have finished over half a minute behind him on the same bike then, going by your ridiculous logic?
Are you telling me you think Rossi would be beating Stoner on the Ducati? No chance in my opinion & no way he would be over half a minute further up the road.
Not even the most avid Rossi fan would believe that garbage.
Like I said, you are absolutely grasping at straws to try to put a positive spin on where he is on the Ducati right now.
The fact that you even went to the trouble to check past race times on a resurfaced track with no doubt different tyres & different conditions tells me you sure are desperate for something positive.
Not happy with his Bridgestone tyre technician apparently. They knew they had issues in warm up but his tyre technician recommended not changing the tyre pressures.
Stoners QP 2010 = 1’49.432
Rossi QP 2011 = 1’49.902
Hayden QP 2011 = 1’49.509
Still not as fast asStoner in 2010 but we can give figures left right and centre and when you say ROSSI-DUCATI2011 best lap: 1'49.3 well Stoner was still quicker in 2010 than Rossi and Hayden in 2011 even after the resurfacingof Mugello blah blah blah…you cannot compare especially when Stoner did a 1’48.034QP
I bet if a non stoner fan asked the question 320idave asked they wouldn't have had a straight nice reply like this
